Tainari88 wrote:The man was a damn liar and he never respected the working class at all.
So you're saying he's not a liar anymore?
Trump understands the blue collar working class in ways that the establishment politicians of either party do not.
Tainari88 wrote:He is a class conscious grifter.
And this distinguishes him from Biden or other establishment pols in what way? This is where I think your feelings overcome your thoughts. You find Trump repulsive, which is fine. However, you stop looking at the differences between him and his political adversaries, and there are significant differences between Trump and establishment politicians.
Tainari88 wrote:If USA citizens equate some asshole grifter billionaire narcissist with a working class hero they got serious deficits in knowing what a class conscious government is about that responds to the working class.
He was the ONLY major party candidate for president other than Bernie Sanders that would seriously address those issues. Even Sanders used to be honest about the effects of illegal immigration on blue collar workers.
Tainari88 wrote:No one in other nations ever would make the mistake of thinking a Trump guy who gives tax cuts to billionaires and etc are the working man's solution to their problems.
Nobody who doesn't understand global finance would see that. However, when the US corporate tax rate was 40% and the rest of the world's corporate tax rate was half that, it forced US corporations to keep investment dollars overseas. By cutting corporate tax rates and bringing money back to the US, it increased job opportunities, wages and the stock market--creating lower unemployment for blacks, Hispanics and women, while their real wages increased at the most rapid rate in 30 years. For many working class people, improved employment prospects and improved income are what they want.
Tainari88 wrote:But the socialists do care and do work hard for them.
Nobody care how hard you work or how hard you try. They care about results. Socialists can care and work hard all they want, but they have a track record of frequently producing shitty results.
Tainari88 wrote:But they are labeled as enemies of the people and liars and wrong and immoral and hated on all the damn time...radical left.
That's typically because socialists are a collection of misfits who do not respect the private property of others. Nobody is fighting for an end to the 8 hour work day in the West with a hope of making people work 12-16 hour days and on weekends. That does happen in other societies--the Arab states come quickly to mind for me.
Tainari88 wrote:It wasn't some Donald Trump conman who fought for them EVER. It was the international socialists. Always. These 'rights' don't show up out of the blue BJ. Never.
Donald Trump specifically fought to prevent illegal aliens, outsourcing and dumping from driving down the wages of US blue collar workers. That's a fact. He actually was effective at it too, which has the establishment shitting their pants. Unemployment did go down, wage rates did go up, and the stock market did go up. Those are facts. Running back to the 19th and early 20th centuries doesn't invalidate what Trump did for US blue collar workers in the 21st Century.
Tainari88 wrote: The NEOLIBERALS/NEOCON/PRO WAR folks. They are in charge of the capitalistism practiced today that if not dealt with and stripped of power are going to destroy the entire world.
Yes. Donald Trump talked a big game, but he wasn't one of them. Hence, why he's the first president not to put the US into a war situation. Every president since George H.W. Bush has done that.
Tainari88 wrote:The natural world, the economies of nations, and the workers who will be left behind to fend for themselves as they encroach more deeply into the slimmer and slimmer resources left to the masses.
Advanced economic growth comes from IQ-based industries. IT, medicine, genetic engineering, etc. It's actually a lot of the "green energy" cabal that wants to strip mine the Earth for lithium that is the latest craze for moving tons of Earth.
Tainari88 wrote:they will expand the sacrifice zones like Camden, NJ, and Pine Ridge, SD and Coal country West Virginia to increasingly more cities and states and places and they will live in bubbles in protected zones for them--far from the destruction.
They will? They already do.
Tainari88 wrote:They won that election BJ. Trump lost that election. Why? Because the neoliberals behind the scenes are the kingmakers and the decisionmakers.
Nobody believes Joe Biden got 80M votes. Not even Joe Biden. The neoliberals behind the scenes controlled big city political machines and were able to fix their vote deficit. That's why nobody is celebrating what would otherwise be an impressive win if it were in fact true.
Tainari88 wrote:Some capitalists that have not made an appearance yet that the working class can rely on to fight for them?
Capitalists are often behind the scenes of your socialist movements too. Slavery was abolished by capitalists, not by socialists. They harnessed Christianity to that end, because there was no significant socialism in the US. You are claiming a lot for socialism that was actually done by Protestant capitalists. The Social Gospel
in the United States was not about socialism at all. They were progressives. They also gave us Eugenics. Are you really going to claim that prohibition of alcohol sales came from socialists too?
Tainari88 wrote:No, BJ the socialists are making a comeback from obscurity because the capitalist system is actually creating a reaction. And the answer is the real LEFT.
See my post here
to understand why it's not going to work. The problem in Western societies is an over-dedication to egalitarianism and a lack of scope on what equality was meant to be. We have MASSIVE inequality today. Can you really blame homelessness on Bill Gates? No. It's not his fault. He can be a dick, but mostly to his software competitors who are fairly well off. Jeff Bezos is an asshole, sure. I'll give you that, but he can't do that to his IT workers. He can only do it to his drivers and warehouse workers. So sure, you have some real dicks out there. However, that does not address homelessness, drug addiction, mental illness, etc. Those people aren't being exploited by capitalists--just the opposite.
Tainari88 wrote:The majority of the world is not composed of millionaires, billionaires and oligarchs.
It's composed of people who don't speak a common language, are frequently uneducated or undereducated, and live in social backwaters. You're not going to get the Taliban to join the next socialist international Tainari88. It's not going to happen.
Tainair88 wrote:In the end who is going to represent them? The socialists. Not the capitalists.
Who is going to employ them? At best, labor unions have managed to get workers better wages in first world countries. However, when they push too hard and it's cheaper to outsource industries, the industries move off shore--generally to very poor countries whose workers make more at these industries than they ever would on the farm. Why don't you see Chinese workers striking? They've seen nothing but a miraculous improvement in the standard of living as a result of 30 years of free trade with the United States and Europe. It's blue collar working class workers in the US and Europe that are protesting now--and it was Trump who nailed the problem on the head and worked to address it.
Tainari88 wrote:The capitalists betrayed all the people who work for a living in many nations. They betrayed their people in Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, South Africa, Mali, Bangladesh, PRC, etc the entire world of regular working people are being betrayed by these corporations loyal to no one and to any nation but their own GREED.
You believe that all these people are going to unite. You'll have an easier time herding cats.
Tainari88 wrote:I know how empires operate. I am against empires. They are not institutions that know how to hold on to power for centuries because they squander everything and lose power consistently because they put all their faith in their own selfish needs and don't understand that if you consistently have overweening ambitions and waste and lack of balance? You forfeit it all in the turmoil that is produced.
Empires fall due to the lack of respect for limits. Do you think the USA is any different? I don't.
It's different in the sense that what happens overseas is not as important to the average American as it was to other empires. The US establishment is going to fall, but not to socialists. FDR created the "New Deal," which was about bringing capitalists and the working class to the table and effectively cutting a new deal. That pretty much ended with the Clinton administration with the euphoria of the fall of the Soviet Union, the opening of free trade, the end of breaking up monopolies, the end of Glass Steagal, the opening up of the internet, etc.
The progressives don't know what to do anymore. They're exhausted. They've run out of ideas, and this iteration of them will end up on the ash heap of history. Take all the homeless alcoholics and drug addicts out there. Socialism won't help them over the long run. That's not a problem of capitalist exploitation. What works best for them long term is support groups with a religious component. Some of them need medically supervised detox, which maybe the socialists would help with. Look at this coronavirus. I know two people personally who have died because AA meetings were shut down. I know one who committed suicide from the lockdowns. I know of nobody who has died from Covid, and I know three who have had it, which is statistically normal. Socialism has a one track mind focused on labor exploitation, wages and property. It does not address so many other societal problems, because like liberalism, it presumes a marginal equality that is only there for probably 80% of the population. You will always see the 80/20 Pareto rule if we're meant to believe statistical distributions. Socialism lost because it was less dynamic than capitalism.
Something else has to evolve to address society's largest problems today, because globalism has also made much of Marxism obsolete. That is, the people who are the worst off are not exploited at all. They are unemployed and dispossessed, usually due to anti-social personality disorders, mental illness, or drug and alcohol addictions.
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