[Godstud]

Only morons think it was a fake election. The election was the most secure in US history, but some pathologically lying orange moron says otherwise, and every dipshit in the world believes his lie.

[Istanbuller]

Polls tell otherwise. At least half of the country do not believe it was a fair election. This election has the lowest approval rate among voters.

It was the most controversial election in US history. 2020 election was highly unorthodox way of conducting voting. Anti-Trumpism fueled election unorthodoxy and wrongdoings.

[Pants-of-dog]

Considering the fact that this systemic racism manifested itself in state violence (like the killers of Mr. Floyd), this movement did oppose state violence more than any other movement in the recent history of the USA.

Here's a probable reason that the Biden administration and the MSM(D) are doing their best to ignore the existence of the AntiFA and BLM rioters--the acceptance of many on the Left of violence as a political tool.

The American National Election Studies currently carries out the Times Series study pre- and post US general elections, studies that have been carried out since 1948. Unfortunately the study itself requires registration and apparently some software to access and study, but Jordan Peterson took a look at it and found something interesting. Not only does a lower percentage of Liberals than Conservatives feel that violence in pursuit of political ends is never justified, but that percentage has dropped significantly between 2016 and 2020:

Only pacifist idealists think violence is never a good idea.

This only tells us that Jordan Peterson does not know much about the history of political change, and wishes progressives were as idealistic as twelve tear olds.

[blackjack21]

You are giving too much credit to the US for reasons behind oil usage and conflicts.

The US is pretty much energy independent. We import heavy sour crude, because we're the best at processing it. However, we're a net exporter of light sweet crude from fracking shale formations. So we're not really dependent on the Middle East for crude oil anymore.

The gaslighting continues...

Schumer, Gillibrand and even AOC have called for Cuomo's resignation. Jerry Nadler has said that Cuomo has lost the confidence of the people of New York. Kind of interesting.

There are 2M signatures to recall Gavin Newsom.

This all seems geared to clear the decks for Kamala Harris.

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Schumer, Gillibrand and even AOC have called for Cuomo's resignation. Jerry Nadler has said that Cuomo has lost the confidence of the people of New York. Kind of interesting.

It's called politics.

You ever notice your mindless paranoia keeps failing?

That's because it's mindless.

[Godstud]

Polls tell otherwise. At least half of the country do not believe it was a fair election. This election has the lowest approval rate among voters.

Only among the losers, who can't accept reality. Opinion polls are pretty meaningless, too.

It was the most controversial election in US history.

Not in any valid or legal sense. Trump's own election officials even said it was the most secure vote in US history.

JOINT STATEMENT FROM ELECTIONS INFRASTRUCTURE GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COUNCIL & THE ELECTION INFRASTRUCTURE SECTOR COORDINATING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES
“The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.

“When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/jo ... l-election

2020 election was highly unorthodox way of conducting voting.

No, it wasn't. more people voted by mail because of a pandemic, but 30M had voted by mail in the previous election(2016) and no one batted an eye.

Republicans just don't like mail-in votes because they are harder to suppress and bypass their voter suppression tactics.

Anti-Trumpism fueled election unorthodoxy and wrongdoings.

Anti-Trumpism was fueled by the reality that Trump utterly failed to keep his promises, and was absent when leadership was needed for a pandemic. There was no "unorthodocy". That's all in your mind.


@Pants-of-dog Jordan Peterson is a fame-seeking intellectual for the pseudo-intellectuals out there. As soon as you start using what he says, it shows what a shmuck you are.

[Finfinder]

So far the the Biden administration has accomplished ;a crisis at our boarders, souring fuel prices, and a $1.9 trillion dollar relief bill, which is filled with 90% pork unrelated to actual COVID relief.

Next I think Biden is shooting for the highest tax increase in 30 years and record unemployment. All this without a press conference.

[Godstud]

Fuel prices have nothing to do with the government.

There is no "border" crisis. That's in your head.

The $1.9 trillion relief bill is LATE and needed. If it was given to the rich I am sure you'd not be complaining. If you mean that the bill isn't ONLY one thing(as it's ALSO a Stimulus package), then you're right. That you cannot understand that, is sad.

Educate yourself.

What’s in Congress’s $1.9 trillion covid bill: Checks, unemployment insurance and more
The House approved the American Rescue Plan on Wednesday, sending the sprawling package to President Biden’s desk

Unemployment benefits:

The package extends the existing $300 weekly unemployment benefit through Sept. 6, as well as provides a tax break on $10,000 in unemployment benefits.

Earlier proposals would have increased the weekly benefit from $300 to $400 per week. But that amount was lowered to $300 after a lengthy standoff in the Senate.

The $900 billion stimulus package passed in December provided the unemployed an extra $300 per week in benefits. That program expires in mid-March.

The bill would send $1,400 stimulus checks on top of the $600 payments issued through the stimulus bill passed in December. Roughly $400 billion of the package would go toward another round of checks.

Biden agreed to narrow eligibility for a new round of $1,400 payments to appease more moderate Democrats. Under the new structure, the checks would phase out faster for those at higher income levels compared with the formula in Biden’s initial proposal and the House bill.

Individuals earning $75,000 per year and couples earning $150,000 would still receive the full $1,400-per-person benefit. However, the benefit would disappear for individuals earning more than $80,000 annually and couples earning more than $160,000.

For example, that means singles making between $80,000 and $100,000 and couples earning between $160,000 and $200,000 would be newly excluded from seeing any benefit under the revised structure.

Child tax credit:

Under the legislation, most Americans would receive $3,000 a year for each child ages 6 to 17, and $3,600 for each child under 6.

The provision in the bill would last one year and be sent via direct deposit on a “periodic” basis. It is a major expansion of the existing child tax credit, which provides $2,000 a year for children from birth through age 16.

The more regular payments are intended to help offset costs families face day-to-day, instead of sending families one annual payment.

Aid to state and local governments:

The package designates $350 billion for states, cities, tribal governments and U.S. territories.

Local government funding emerged as one of the top flash points in stimulus negotiations. Moderate Senate Democrats have pushed to redirect some of those funds to invest in infrastructure and to expand the broadband network. Others on the left have grown concerned that some states would use federal aid to cut local taxes instead of spending money on coronavirus relief.

Facing deep budget shortfalls, state and local governments have shed 1.3 million jobs since the pandemic began last year — a loss of more than 1 in 20 government jobs, according to a Washington Post analysis of government data. While tax revenue grew in some states last year, the majority — at least 26 states — were hit with declines.

Housing assistance

The bill sets aside more than $20 billion in emergency rental assistance and other relief for the homeless.
Another $10 billion goes to mortgage and homeownership assistance.
School support

The bill sets aside almost $130 billion to help K-12 schools reopen. That money would go to improving ventilation systems, reducing class sizes, buying personal protective equipment and implementing social distancing.

Colleges and other higher-education institutions would receive almost $40 billion. That money could help support financial aid grants to prevent hunger, homelessness or other challenges for students during the pandemic.

Additional funds would go to child-care providers through the Child Care and Development Block Grant program. The bill also sets aside $1 billion for the Head Start program, which provides early-childhood education, health and nutrition services to low-income children and families.
Aid for multi-employer pension plans

The bill includes an $86 billion bailout for failing pensions.

Democrats say the provision gives struggling pension plans enough money to pay hundreds of thousands of retirees their full pensions for the next few decades.

But the bailout has been criticized for having little to do with the current health crisis, especially since many pension plans were on the verge of collapse well before the pandemic hit.

New provisions

The bill provides $510 million for the FEMA Emergency Food and Shelter Program. That money would support homeless services providers for overnight shelter, meals, one month’s rent and mortgage assistance, and one month’s utility payments.

It expands the Employee Retention Tax Credit for start-up companies and other businesses hit by the pandemic.

The bill also increases the value of the federal COBRA health insurance program from 85 percent to 100 percent.

The bill adds a $10 billion infrastructure program to help local governments continue crucial capital projects.

The bill makes all coronavirus-related student loan relief tax-free.

The bill increases the total amount of Amtrak relief funding by $200 million.

For education funding, the bill sets aside $1.25 billion for summer enrichment; $1.25 billion for after-school programs and $3 billion for education technology.

The Senate bill also adds $8.5 billion in funds for the Provider Relief Program to assist rural health care providers.
Read the American Rescue Plan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... -stimulus/

[Finfinder]

Lol living in an alternative propaganda world. Lol educate yourself. Ummm maybe actually read it.

Have seen a lot of gargantuan spending bills go through Congress in the form of budget reconciliation or omnibus appropriations at the end of a contentious session.

I don’t think I have ever seen one so loaded up with extraneous spending that has nothing to do with dealing with the crisis at hand as the second COVID-relief plan passed by the Democratic Congress last week, the American Relief Plan (ARP). Not OBRA, COBRA, TEFRA, EGTRRA or PPACA, otherwise known as Obamacare.

None of them come close.

There is $1.5 billion in this bill for AMTRAK. AMTRAK has never been profitable since inception in 1971. COVID didn’t cause current problems at AMTRAK; AMTRAK structure and management has always caused problems at AMTRAK.

There is $350 billion to bailout big blue cities and states that have been massively mismanaged for decades. There is $86 billion included specifically to bailout blue state and city pensions, such as in Illinois where many retired government workers receive $350,000 in annual pension payments. COVID didn’t cause financial problems in big blue cities; big blue city politicians have overpromised and overspent for decades, which has caused financial problems in big blue cities.

The list of egregious pork spending in this COVID relief bill is embarrassing. There is $200 million for museums and libraries — even though they were shut down for an entire year; $270 million for the NEA, the National Endowment for the Arts. There is $128 billion for K-12 public education — except 95% of this money will not be spent until between 2022 and 2028, not in 2021.

There may be $600 billion in this bill that can reasonably be tied to COVID relief including funding for more vaccines ($75B), PPP ($473B), aid to ailing restaurants ($26B), assistance to airlines ($15B) and $7.2B for PPP for small businesses that have been wrecked by gubernatorial executive shut down orders for the past year.

Had the bill stopped there, President Joe Biden might have had his first truly bipartisan victory for “unity,” with a majority of Republicans voting for it in the House and the Senate.

The remainder of the $1.3 trillion is pure partisan politics. Democrats are paying off the constituencies that elect them and who helped defeat President Trump. There is no other way to look at it.

There is the equivalent of 2,222 wasteful “Bridges to Nowhere” in this solidly Democratic bill that Schumer “swears” is “big, bold COVID relief!” It most definitely is not all related to COVID.
Arizona Republican Congressman Paul Gosar offered an amendment to take out all non-COVID-related spending in the bill and convert it into sending $10,000 checks to these people most affected by COVID instead of $1400.

It was defeated along party lines. Democrats want to send more money to big blue state politicians to distribute to their supporters instead of directly to the average American family.

Remember the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere” in Nowheresville, Alaska, which forever tarnished the career of Sen. Ted Stevens in 2005? The left and the media rightfully jumped on the Bridge to Nowhere to highlight how elected officials waste federal dollars with no regard to the consequences.

There is the equivalent of 2,222 wasteful “Bridges to Nowhere” in this solidly Democratic bill that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer “swears” is “big, bold COVID relief!” It most definitely is not all related to COVID.

One thing that is truly “bipartisan” in Washington, sadly, is the astounding amount of federal debt both parties in control of the White House and Congress have amassed since 2001. Federal debt owed to the public was $3 trillion before 9/11. If this bill becomes law, debt owed to the public will approach $24 trillion by the end of 2021. Roughly $6 trillion in intragovernmental debt is owed between the government and such programs as the Social Security Trust Fund which will never be repaid.

If, or rather when, inflation is triggered again by such fiscal malfeasance and explosive money supply growth by the Federal Reserve, then all of us — rich, poor, black, white, young and old — will really be in this mess together.

President Joe Biden seems to want to steer America back to the stagflation economic doldrum days last seen under President Jimmy Carter in 1979-81. He has only been in the White House for 41 days; imagine what economic damage he and the Democrats might do over the next four years.

https://nsjonline.com/article/2021/03/h ... -spending/

[Godstud]

This is nothing more than a right-wing opinion piece, that states zero facts.

I have come to expect this from your posts though, @Finfinder. They lack in facts.

[QatzelOk]

Considering the fact that this systemic racism manifested itself in state violence (like the killers of Mr. Floyd), this movement did oppose state violence more than any other movement in the recent history of the USA.

False.

Biden's recent bombing of Syria killed many more innocent non-white-non-westerners, treating them like disposable nothings.

Systemic Racism manifests itself most succinctly in all of the rich nations' wars on the non-white regions of the Earth.

Stories like the "Floyd killing" are in commercial media because ... the super rich white-sharks still get to feel non-racist. They are NEVER community policemen or do any other "low-class" jobs. So the super-rich are only happy to point fingers at cops, blue collar workers, etc. and scream "They're the racists!"

Meanwhile, racism is constructed by mass media, which buys permission for foreign wars which... destroy the lives of billions of "others."

[blackjack21]

It's called politics.

You ever notice your mindless paranoia keeps failing?

That's because it's mindless.

Paranoia about what? I don't think I'm directly threatened by the establishment trying to do in Cuomo. I just think it's interesting that they ignore the fact he killed so many people and are instead focused on sex scandals. I think he's probably guilty of the lewd behavior, but so far I haven't heard anything that strikes me as illegal. It's just another attempt at moral outrage. Generally, I'm nonplussed by moral outrages from people whom I consider to have no morals.

Trump's own election officials even said it was the most secure vote in US history.

Wrong. Trump doesn't have his own election officials. What you're talking about is deep state types under DHS, who had a hand in organizing the fraud. You can't void signature verification and end up at a more secure election. That's yet another way people know the deep state did this, and that they are lying about it. It's also why nobody believes them.

No, it wasn't. more people voted by mail because of a pandemic, but 30M had voted by mail in the previous election(2016) and no one batted an eye.

People bat eyes all the time. In fact, you guys whined on for years that Trump won because of Russian interference in the election. Mail in ballots require signature verification, and they were not done in 2020. So that necessarily creates a scenario for mass fraud. You cannot find the fraud if you aren't going to enforce the procedures to prevent it.

Republicans just don't like mail-in votes because they are harder to suppress and bypass their voter suppression tactics.

Republicans do like mail-in votes. They don't like fraud. What Republicans would prefer is that you have to register to vote before every election so that Democrats cannot use the delta between registered voters who voted, and those who didn't and manufacture the ballots they need to win close races.

Anti-Trumpism was fueled by the reality that Trump utterly failed to keep his promises, and was absent when leadership was needed for a pandemic.

Trump kept every promise that didn't depend on Congress, and then some. He also created Operation Lightspeed, which is why we have vaccines in record time.

Fuel prices have nothing to do with the government.

It has to do with monetary policy. A sinking dollar from massive printing leads to higher petroleum prices.

There is no "border" crisis. That's in your head.

We have more caravans again. Recently, human smugglers cut a whole in the border fence and crashed their suv into a semi killing 13 illegal immigrants. They are also waiving the no-covid immigration requirement for illegal immigrants. If you're coming to the US legally, you have to test negative for Covid three days prior to entry. If you're an illegal alien, you can enter with Covid.

The $1.9 trillion relief bill is LATE and needed. If it was given to the rich I am sure you'd not be complaining.

Much of it does go to the rich, directly or indirectly. For example, the $350B to state and local governments is so that municipalities and agencies don't have to declare bankruptcy and default on bonds to rich bond holders. $20B in rental assistance will go to land lords. It also bails out pensions for over-paid government employees who double- and triple-dip into public employee retirement systems.

I don’t think I have ever seen one so loaded up with extraneous spending that has nothing to do with dealing with the crisis at hand as the second COVID-relief plan passed by the Democratic Congress last week, the American Relief Plan (ARP). Not OBRA, COBRA, TEFRA, EGTRRA or PPACA, otherwise known as Obamacare.

It should be called the Liberal Causes and Blue State Bailout Bill, because that's pretty much what it is.

the super rich white-sharks still get to feel non-racist.

They do it to divide people so that the masses do not unite and come for their heads.

[Tainari88]

@blackjack21 wrote:

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hey do it to divide people so that the masses do not unite and come for their heads.

The USA has two dysfunctional political parties.

Your nationalistic stuff is not going to win the entire thing. The most likely scenario is being overtaken by some schemers in other nations and the USA having to cope with inflation, devaluation and a big depression.

They won't unite BJ. The white people in the Republican party are way too racist-loving. You got too many image problems with the Confederate flags and the supposed terrorists from Q'Anon.

The USA public believes total lies all the time. I have no idea how that is going to work out? Total lies as the truth and making major decisions based on total lies all day. You got those Tech giants dictating who gets to shape the masses. It is scary.

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Much of it does go to the rich, directly or indirectly. For example, the $350B to state and local governments is so that municipalities and agencies don't have to declare bankruptcy and default on bonds to rich bond holders.

My patience with your Crazy Town is disappearing fast.

However, almost no one knows about what happens when a city goes bankrupt. If you don't prevent it, decay sets in immediately, and bringing a city back to life would often be insanely expensive. We're talking hundreds of times more than they will be getting in this package.

No doubt that helps bond holders, but it helps absolutely everyone living there, and in a big way.

[Godstud]

What you're talking about is deep state types under DHS, who had a hand in organizing the fraud. You can't void signature verification and end up at a more secure election. That's yet another way people know the deep state did this, and that they are lying about it. It's also why nobody believes them.

Deep State conspiracy theory followed by BS. The States determined that the election methods were legal in their States. Are you against State right as well as the Constitution?

Where is the evidence of a vast election fraud? If the Democrats DID perpetrate electoral fraud and there is no evidence for it, then why are the Republicans even bothering to run in future elections? Your logic is failing you. Is that tin-foil cap on a bit too tight these days?

In fact, you guys whined on for years that Trump won because of Russian interference in the election.

False. No one said that he won because of that. You're making up a Strawman argument because you can't form a cogent one.

They don't like fraud.

There was no evidence of fraud in the last election, despite your feelings that there was.

Trump kept every promise that didn't depend on Congress, and then some. He also created Operation Lightspeed, which is why we have vaccines in record time.

You making up falsehoods to support BS isn't cutting the mustard. Name a big promise he kept... oh like, the Wall, or perhaps defeating ISIS, and replacing the ACA.

Mostly he just undid what Obama had done over the last 8 years and ran up one of the biggest debts for a Presidency, over 4 years. Trump raised the national debt by 36% over 4 years.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Republican candidate Donald Trump promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.1 Instead, his budget estimates showed that he would actually add at least $8.3 trillion, increasing the U.S. debt to $28.5 trillion by 2025.2 However, the national debt may reach that figure much sooner. When President Trump took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion. In October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion.

That's an increase of almost 36% in less than four years.
https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans- ... bt-4114401

The vaccines being distributed are not being done in "record time", and have more to do with Biden's leadership(since Trump has no idea what that means). Trump did very little during the pandemic, aside from downplaying it as a flu, and saying it'd be gone by April, and other such malarkey.

Also...

AP FACT CHECK: Trump distorts on vaccine, state distribution
“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-chec ... 396c1e3b5f

Your arguments have devolved into reactionary conspiracy theories. Pathetic.

[SpecialOlympian]

It occurs to me that with Biden joining the very short list of candidates that have successfully stolen their election

So have you decided whether Trump is a bitch or a traitor yet?

Why didn't he fight for you, Doug?

[blackjack21]

Your nationalistic stuff is not going to win the entire thing.

I didn't say it was going to win the entire thing. I think we are a nation in peril, because our political "elites" govern without the consent of the governed. That is a recipe for disaster. The "elites" actively work to keep factions divided so that nobody can challenge their power. It is my contention that this generation of them has gotten so sloppy, lazy and arrogant that ordinary people can see through them now.

The most likely scenario is being overtaken by some schemers in other nations and the USA having to cope with inflation, devaluation and a big depression.

This isn't something where the United States is operating alone. Who is Joe Biden? What has he done in politics for the last 48 years? He has represented publicly traded corporations, and a special focus on banks, particularly credit card lenders. Keep in mind 50% of all publicly-traded companies are registered in Delaware, and 60% of the Fortune 500. When you start understanding that, you start understanding what Joe Biden is all about. Inflation doesn't go with depression unless you get hyperinflation, like 1930s Germany. What I think will happen is devaluation of the dollar, leading to cost-push inflation.

The white people in the Republican party are way too racist-loving.

You rely so heavily on that narrative. Yet, almost all the racial politics, political correctness, wokeness, etc. comes from the Democrats.

You got too many image problems with the Confederate flags and the supposed terrorists from Q'Anon.

"Image problems" are about media narratives. They are constructed for you with the intent to lead you to particular conclusions. You seem to fall for it hook, line and sinker every time. However, there is often contrary evidence to the official narrative. For example: Interracial Marriage Grows Faster Under Republican Presidents. Keep in mind, Mitch McConnell's wife is Asian.

The USA public believes total lies all the time.

They get their news from the so-called mainstream media. What they "know" is fed to them by at least one of six major multi-national corporations. So this isn't a surprise. However, what your statement doesn't cover is that most Americans think the news is false.

For example, plenty of anti-Trump posters here automatically believed the Georgia phone call story that the Washington Post retracted today.

If you hate Trump, which you do, you want that story to be true. So you accept this stuff uncritically if it confirms your bias.

Total lies as the truth and making major decisions based on total lies all day. You got those Tech giants dictating who gets to shape the masses. It is scary.

It is. However, it is changing too. For example, I think they are railroading Cuomo now. I'm not a fan. However, I think it is interesting that they use a sex scandal to try to push him out. Notice that I don't fall for the "sex scandal" narrative, even though I'm not a Cuomo fan?

My patience with your Crazy Town is disappearing fast.

You're going to get 4 years of the same type of thing you dished out with Trump. Get used to it.

However, almost no one knows about what happens when a city goes bankrupt.

That's because bond holders get bailed out at taxpayer's expense.

The States determined that the election methods were legal in their States.

Michigan judge rules secretary of state violated election law by unilaterally changing absentee voting rules

If the Democrats DID perpetrate electoral fraud and there is no evidence for it, then why are the Republicans even bothering to run in future elections? Your logic is failing you.

My logic is fine. I didn't say that the Democrats cheated to hurt the Republicans. That's something you constructed entirely in your own head. I don't think there's a big difference between the parties the way you do, or at least you purport to believe.

You making up falsehoods to support BS isn't cutting the mustard.

Trump got 12M more votes in 2020 than in 2016. His support went up. That's why you can't sell the narrative that he somehow lost support because he broke promises. It's a narrative that has no substance.

[Godstud]

Electoral fraud = cheating, isn't it, @blackjack21? You';re the one lacking logic and reason, here. Nice try. So dumb!!

Who cares if Trump got more votes than in 2016, @blackjack21. More people felt that they had to vote in this election. Biden got 7M more votes than Trump. That's called Democracy, even if you don't like it when your cult leader loses.

[Istanbuller]

Washington Post's lies are proofs that the election irregularities were driven by anti-Trumpist motives.

Anti-Trumpists are mix of socialists and fascists. These guys are dangerous fanatics. That is why they should be beaten constantly from time to time.

[Godstud]

Washington Post's lies are proofs that the election irregularities were driven by anti-Trumpist motives.

Irregularities? There were none except in the minds of mental midget Trumpanzees.

Anti-Trumpists are mix of socialists and fascists.

No. Trump supporters are racists and fascists. Opponents to Trump are people who support the Constitution and the Democratic process.