[Godstud]

@skinster Criminals of all types exist in all genders. This isn't evidence of a real actual problem.

Actually it demands women open up their toilets, sports, prisons, rape shelters, to appease biological men.

This isn't about "men", or do you think that transgenders don't exist? I didn't realize you were such a Conservative.

[skinster]

@skinster Criminals of all types exist in all genders. This isn't evidence of a real actual problem.

Trans identified people raping and otherwise attacking women and children is evidence of a problem that's resulting in the pushback against this ideology by many women (and some men).

This isn't about "men", or do you think that transgenders don't exist? I didn't realize you were such a Conservative.

Women are not going to be bullied into compliance by calling us witches.

The misogyny amongst liberals is remarkable.

[Godstud]

Trans identified people raping and otherwise attacking women and children is evidence of a problem that's resulting in the pushback against this ideology by many women (and some men).

You've brought up some exceptions. Some very rare instances. Does that mean that this wouldn't otherwise have happened? We can be realistic about this, can't we?

Women are not going to be bullied into compliance by calling us witches.

Nobody has done that. You are engaging in hyperbole.

The misogyny amongst liberals is remarkable.

Your remark is irrelevant and illogical, as it doesn't apply to this argument, or problem. It's a very big strawman.

[skinster]

You've brought up some exceptions. Some very rare instances. Does that mean that this wouldn't otherwise have happened?

I have plenty more "exceptions" if you're interested.

And of course it still happens because men are still raping and murdering women LITERALLY every day, but having our own spaces, such as our own toilets, prevented that from happening as much. Or at least made us a little less scared in those enclosed spaces that now anyone can swan into, including rapists. Why do people like you ignore the fears that women have?

Nobody has done that. You are engaging in hyperbole.

"conservative" "terf" "transphobe". This kind of name-calling won't shut us up, even if it about the only argument your ilk have these days.

Your remark is irrelevant and illogical, as it doesn't apply to this argument, or problem. It's a very big strawman.

The misogyny amongst liberals remains remarkable. I am saying this again so that when the wokelords go on about trans rights while entirely ignoring women's rights, others will begin to notice this thing I've noticed for some time.

[Godstud]

Why do people like you ignore the fears that women have?

These "laws" have not been created out of fears that women had but out of a need for some to discriminate against actual transgender people.

"conservative" "terf" "transphobe". This kind of name-calling won't shut us up, even if it about the only argument your ilk have these days.

If you won't discuss the issue, then just say so, but your comment about calling women witches was completely unwarranted, and completely silly. Do you want to start over?

The misogyny amongst liberals remains remarkable. I am saying this again so that when the wokelords go on about trans rights while entirely ignoring women's rights, others will begin to notice this thing I've noticed for some time.

If you don't want to discuss the issue like a normal person then you could have just said you wanted to make asinine comments. If you are going to imply that I am a misogynist, then you are clearly off your rocker. You are being rude and obnoxious. I have always been a staunch defender of women's rights, even when it's been unpopular.

[skinster]

These "laws" have not been created out of fears that women had

Yeah, we know.

If you won't discuss the issue, then just say so, but your comment about calling women witches was completely unwarranted, and completely silly. Do you want to start over?

I was referring to your "conservative" comment because you disagree with my position. As to this issue, I presented some examples of why women fear opening up their spaces, but you dismissed them.

If you don't want to discuss the issue like a normal person then you could have just said you wanted to make asinine comments.

Let me remind you, you are yet to say anything interesting here so far besides dismiss trans rapists of women and children that I provided examples of and calling me a "conservative" for my care of women's rights.

If you are going to imply that I am a misogynist, then you are clearly off your rocker. You are being rude and obnoxious. I have always been a staunch defender of women's rights, even when it's been unpopular.

Well not here, clearly.

And honestly, I don't expect you to even see your own misogyny yet. All I can do at this stage is point to it. The rest is for you to figure out.

[Godstud]

So basically, @skinster all you wanted to do was go on a rant and alienate any potential allies because of your misconception and misinterpretation of what they say. Got it.


Incidentally, since these two appear to be linked:
When feminism supports trans rights, everybody wins – just like in Iceland
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -movements

[skinster]

1. Dismissive about male rape in women spaces - check
2. Misogyny that ignores women's fears - check
3. Boring liberalism pretending it cares about all rights while trampling over women's - check

Let me know when you have any arguments.

[Godstud]

1. Dismissive about male rape in women spaces - check

Never did that - Check. Who made this argument?

2. Misogyny that ignores women's fears - check

Never did that - Check. No one has made that argument.

3. Boring liberalism pretending it cares about all rights while trampling over women - check

Lie?- Check. You're simply trying to be insulting, and trolling.

Let me know when you have any arguments.

Let me know when you engage in actual discussion, make an argument, and are not simply flinging poo.

[skinster]

Never did that - Check. Who made this argument?

After I showed examples of transwomen raping women and children, you basically dismissed that as "rare". So I have to ask you, how many women or children do transwomen have to rape before this becomes a problem for you? 5? 10? 100? 1000?

Never did that - Check. No one has made that argument.

You have repeatedly dismissed women's fears, e.g. from the examples I provided of trans rapists. You basically addressed them as "rare" and quickly moved on. If you don't agree that that's misogynistic, you are entitled to your opinion.

And let me just point out that I don't believe all transwomen are rapists, at all. I know transwomen who are cool AF. Not all transwomen and transmen subscribe to the liberal dogshit version of events and accept that female spaces ought not to be fucked with, and that you can never gain solidarity by threats, despite how much you try.

Further, to put all my cards on the table, I don't think you can transition from one sex to another. I am willing to call my transfriends transwomen or transmen and use the correct pronouns in order to not be an asshole, because I do care about people too, but that won't change my mind on the idea that you cannot transition from one sex to another. I'm not into idealism, sorry.

Lie?- Check. You're simply trying to be insulting, and trolling.

But it is true that you don't care about women's rights, at least, I've not read anything from you indicating that you do.

Let me know when you engage in actual discussion, make an argument, and are not simply flinging poo.

Look above.

[Godstud]

@skinster You are only trying to attack the poster and not the argument. Go away. You're rude and obnoxious.

[Pants-of-dog]

Not a threat.

Really, no threat.

Nothing to see here either.



I've just given you a few examples of violence by trans people against women/children.

Yes, and anyone can find a few isolated examples. But isolated examples do not show a trend of increased danger for anyone.

But on a related note, you mentioned some science relating to gender in the other thread. What did you mean?

Not sure.

There is not even a left in Biden's party, never mind a far left. Trans ideology is a rightwing movement (where the funding comes from) sold to us by liberals posing as socialists.

Actually it demands women open up their toilets, sports, prisons, rape shelters, to appease biological men.

No. You seem to be trans women with cis men.

[skinster]

Yes, and anyone can find a few isolated examples. But isolated examples do not show a trend of increased danger for anyone.

Okay, here's a few more times transwomen pedos/rapists:

Serial pedophile Madilyn Harks

Convicted pedo and child pornographer.

Serial child-rapist Carrie Cooper.

So I have to ask you, how many women or children do transwomen have to rape before this becomes a problem for you? 5? I've provided 6 examples now. 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you listen to the concerns women have about being forced to open up their spaces to predators? I'm not saying all transfolk are predators and I can't get into the mind of a predator, but my guess is many predators would use the opening up of said spaces to carry out their predatory nature, because it's literally opening the doors for that. When does the safety and dignity of women and children start to matter?

I will bring more examples if you dismiss this again as "isolated examples".

Not sure.

I wasn't sure what you meant about there being a science to gender either, which is why I asked. I suspect there is nothing behind that comment you made since there's nothing scientific about gender, since gender is all in one's imagination and related to gender stereotypes, mainly.

Biology on the other hand...

No. You seem to be trans women with cis men.

Pretty sure I'm talking about imposing men here, the ones forcing themselves into female spaces despite all the female opposition to it. It's such typical male behaviour by men trying to act like they're women that it's borderline hilarious how they don't even see how male-like they act. On a similar note, the rape threats at gender-critical women on social media who won't conform to trans ideology is a sight to behold...

[Pants-of-dog]

Okay, here's a few more times transwomen pedos/rapists:

Serial pedophile Madilyn Harks

Convicted pedo and child pornographer.

Serial child-rapist Carrie Cooper.

So I have to ask you, how many women or children do transwomen have to rape before this becomes a problem for you? 5? I've provided 6 examples now. 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you listen to the concerns women have about being forced to open up their spaces to predators? I'm not saying all transfolk are predators and I can't get into the mind of a predator, but my guess is many predators would use the opening up of said spaces to carry out their predatory nature, because it's literally opening the doors for that. When does the safety and dignity of women and children start to matter?

I will bring more examples if you dismiss this again as "isolated examples".

Do you have a study that shows increased danger?

I wasn't sure what you meant about there being a science to gender either, which is why I asked. I suspect there is nothing behind that comment you made since there's nothing scientific about gender, since gender is all in one's imagination and related to gender stereotypes, mainly.

Biology on the other hand...

Gender studies are a social science, though it also dabbles in hard science.

Pretty sure I'm talking about imposing men here, the ones forcing themselves into female spaces despite all the female opposition to it. It's such typical male behaviour by men trying to act like they're women that it's borderline hilarious how they don't even see how male-like they act. On a similar note, the rape threats at gender-critical women on social media who won't conform to trans ideology is a sight to behold...

This seems to corroborate my opinion that you are lumping trans women and cis men into one group.

[Rancid]

How much raping is going on in restrooms?

[skinster]

Do you have a study that shows increased danger?

Ah, dismissing the rapists and pedos again. I did expect it, I must admit.

Do these examples not show you enough of the threat/danger involved here? If there is a study, will you accept that there is a problem?

And can you answer my question that I'll ask for the third time: how many women and children raped will it take before this is a problem for you?

Gender studies are a social science, though it also dabbles in hard science.

No it doesn't.

This seems to corroborate my opinion that you are lumping trans women and cis men into one group.

Transwomen (men) and cis men (men) are the same thing, biologically speaking.

[Pants-of-dog]

Ah, dismissing the rapists and pedos again. I did expect it, I must admit.

Do these examples not show you enough of the threat/danger involved here? If there is a study, will you accept that there is a problem?

Yes.

And can you answer my question that I'll ask for the third time: how many women and children raped will it take before this is a problem for you?

1.

How many trans women need to be raped before people recognise that is a problem?

No it doesn't.

Solarcross often made this exact same claim.

Transwomen (men) and cis men (men) are the same thing, biologically speaking.

I am not sure that is true.

[skinster]

Yes.

Interesting.

1.

I've already shown you an example of transwomen raping women in female spaces.

How many trans women need to be raped before people recognise that is a problem?

I already accept it as a problem. Guess who's doing the raping.

Solarcross often made this exact same claim.

If you want to suggest there is anything scientific about gender ideology, I believe it's up to you to prove it.

I am not sure that is true.

Does biology say otherwise?

[Pants-of-dog]

Interesting.

Yes, science is good.

I've already shown you an example of transwomen raping women in female spaces.

Yes, rape is a problem.

I already accept it as a problem. Guess who's doing the raping.

Of trans women? Probably cis men.

If you want to suggest there is anything scientific about gender ideology, I believe it's up to you to prove it.

I am not making an argument. I am describing how these fields are currently designed.

Does biology say otherwise?

There are indications that biology does say otherwise.

The biology of sex is far more complicated than laypeople imagine, according to what I have read.

[skinster]

Yes, science is good.

Weird for someone as idealistic as you to say this, but agreed.

Yes, rape is a problem.

And you said 1 example would be enough. It doesn't seem like enough since you continue to be dismissive of transwomen raping women and children.

Of trans women? Probably cis men.

Yes, men do the raping. Thanks for catching on. This should lead you to understanding why lots of women are opposed to opening their spaces up to biological men (even if they call themselves women).

I am not making an argument. I am describing how these fields are currently designed.

You're yet to provide anything besides your opinion that you think gender studies are a science, something you're yet to prove in any way. My guess is you're too embarrassed to show anything to support this opinion, which is understandable.

There are indications that biology does say otherwise.

Where does biology state transwomen and and men are different, biologically?