annatar1914 wrote:No, it isn't believable the more I consider the circumstances, and Trump's enemies reactions are not those of an innocent group of people would have. Think of all the effort that went into gaslighting people about the election right here on PoFo...
The thing of it is that if Trump had done about as well as second term Obama, they might have made a Biden victory a little bit more believable. It's just that he gained 12M votes and held massive rallies. Additionally, he had more people attending his 1/6 rally than Biden had at his inauguration. More people watched Trump's farewell address than Biden's inauguration. To put a finer point on it, Biden's team ended up taking down the inauguration video, because it got less views than Trump's by an order of magnitude and more down votes than up votes.
annatar1914 wrote:In my own region, not exactly Red but more ''Purple'' if you will, I cannot think of anyone who voted for Biden that I know of, not a single person. And while there are plenty I know who freely state that Trump is an obnoxious arrogant asshole, but couldn't think of a single reason why they'd vote for the dismal and uncharismatic candidature of Biden/Harris.
I know some Democrats who voted for him. I don't know of anyone who did so enthusiastically.
annatar1914 wrote:Biden/Harris are ironically the ones who are going to face some serious problems domestic and foreign, while Trump reaps the rewards during his four year vacation from the White House. He and those backing him have a long term plan that only partly involves him being in the White House himself during their work. I would say that he knew in 2016 after winning then, that he wouldn't be allowed to win re-election in 2020.
He certainly knew something was up with the mail in ballots. HR1 basically shows what the Democrats want to do to make it impossible for them to ever lose again. Remember, they held on to the House for 40 straight years at one point, and it wasn't because they were eternally popular.
annatar1914 wrote:And that's fine too @blackjack21, I realize that now. Such ignorance, blinded by hatred and incomprehension against Trump and Trump voters, is itself part of a punishment.
Or as Nixon said about hating them, and you destroy yourself. That's what's happening to the establishment right now.
late wrote:I hope the insurrection winds up in Federal court, because it's an open and shut case.
They sure did screw the pooch on their second impeachment. Not a shred of that would be admitted in a court of law. I think it would be comical if they did try to file charges, because they will ultimately fail while once again making Trump the center of attention.
late wrote:You're a traitor.
My father's ancestors fought against the British Crown to create America. My mother's mother's family fought against the British Crown during the early 20th Century to create the Irish Free State and later the Republic of Ireland. I guess it runs in the family. I suppose you've always been a lacky for power, always doing what you're told...
B0ycey wrote:How is it gaslighting? I am asking for some evidence. Like something, not feelings.
No sitting US president has ever gained massive votes and lost. The only person who even comes close to that billing was Grover Cleveland. You don't gain votes and lose. It just doesn't happen. You don't win Florida and Ohio and go on to lose. The only time that's happened was Nixon in 1960, and that was a contested election. You don't hold massive rallies while your competitor sits in a basement putting a lid on a campaign by 10 am. and lose. It just doesn't happen. You don't get more people coming to your protest rally than the victor gets as attendees at his inauguration. It's never happened in history. You don't get more people watching your farewell address than the incoming president gets views of his inauguration with more down votes than up votes such that he ends up taking down his own video. You don't get what is ostensibly the most popular president in history getting audibly booed at the Super Bowl only a month after being sworn in. It's patently obvious Biden lost.
B0ycey wrote:You want to know how Biden got 81m votes. Because people actually hate Trump.
Hate votes generally don't turn out in big numbers.
B0ycey wrote:In fact Trump did much much better than the polls suggested, but whatever, you can't understand this because the voices you hear are from the people you surround with who happen to have voted Trump.
Yes. He also had much bigger rallies than his competitor by orders of magnitude, not just multiples. When are we going to get to audit the signatures on the mail-in ballots? Is that going to be held up forever too?
Stormsmith wrote:With respect Poppet, I disagree. In the name of National security he is obliged to look. Hard.
Impeachment failed again. It was pathetic. They didn't produce any witnesses. All they had were news reports and second hand accounts and commentary about this or that. All of that is hearsay. It would never be admitted into evidence in a criminal court.
annatar1914 wrote:These people are just getting started.
I agree. I agreed it was just getting started when the establishment thought they had defeated the Tea Party. The American Revolution sort of kicked off in 1765 with the Stamp Act. It's not a much different amount of time between 1765 and 1776 than where we are right now. Trump was kind of their last warning, and they did not get the message. Trump really does have too much to lose, but a not-so-wealthy successor backed by wealthy people may be willing to lead that fight. Already, HR1 is looking a lot like the Intolerable Acts, as the Congress and the Biden administration are doing things like prosecuting people who spread memes back in 2016. It's very backward looking and they are going to find they are unable to move forward, because they are not popular.
annatar1914 wrote:or face what faced the ''Ancien Regime'' before 1789, or France in 1940.
If 1/6 scares them to death, when it really hits they will simply never recover.
jimjam wrote:“For four years,” the editorial board claimed, “Mr Trump’s conduct stayed largely within constitutional bounds – no matter his rhetorical excesses and Democratic efforts to drive him from office by violating norms and flogging conspiracy theories.
“But Mr Trump’s dishonest challenge to the 2020 election, even after multiple defeats in court, clearly broke those bounds and culminated in the 6 January riot.
The Democrats have contested every Republican presidential victory since Ronald Reagan's second term, when they got beat so bad they could believe it themselves. They are simply used to losers like Bob Michel or Mitch McConnell or even George W. Bush taking it on the chin all the time, that they can't believe Trump just took the arrow out of their own quiver and used it against them. That's what made the second impeachment even more glorious than the first. His defense didn't need more than three hours to make fools of them all.
jimjam wrote:The Senate acquittal and Senator McConnel's speech insure that Trump will go to jail.
They couldn't even land a punch in a political trial. The anti-Trumpers aren't going to get passed the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure of the Federal Rules of Evidence. It's just not going to happen.
jimjam wrote:Had Trump been convicted and barred from future office, many, including President Biden who is focused on unity and his agenda, would have felt justice was done and further litigation was not worth the cost.
Biden is definitely not focused on unity. He can't even keep the Democrats together.
jimjam wrote:Now every eager DA, AG or US Attorney will be eager to hang Trump's scalp on his belt. Certainly, Cyrus Vance, the SDNY and Leticia James will not feel constrained.
They can't. They couldn't present any credible witnesses or testimony in a completely rigged trial. Cyrus Vance can't even raise enough for re-election. People are leaving his office, knowing he's toast. The best bet would be somebody trying to sue Trump for damages in civil court, because that's where your burden of proof is the lowest. Trying to put him in jail just isn't going to happen. At any rate, doing anything to Trump just puts him right back in center stage.
jimjam wrote: “They couldn’t get a summer internship with My Cousin Vinny,” Jamie Raskin commented
Jamie Raskin had to scuttle his own argument on the grounds it was false--because he relied on fake news.
He lost, and he's claiming the defense was weak? If a weak defense beats the prosecutor, what does that say about the prosecution?
"We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
-- Joe Biden