jimjam wrote:Five dead, 120 injured, looting, property damage ……………. man, you have low standards (way low) when it comes to your wannabe Messiah, Fat Donald.
The riots throughout 2020 and cheered on by the Democrats were worse by far. I'm simply saying you don't have any moral authority to condemn it in a way that will make a large number of people take you seriously.
jimjam wrote:Fat Donald's Schutzstaffel (morons with assault guns) heading off to another peaceful demonstration 
Californians are passive. They tolerate voter fraud. How it is done is that they register everyone to vote through government initiatives like "motor voter." Then, they track who votes, and who doesn't. When they want to win a race, they already have a delta of who is not likely to have voted. Notice we have likely voter polls? They also have the opposite--not likely voters, BUT REGISTERED TO VOTE. That's the delta they use to stack elections. It hasn't been done on such a widespread scale before. So now what you have is government without the consent of the governed. This is what it looks like. It's not a good idea.
jimjam wrote:UM …… we are discussing Fat Donald's Schutzstaffel not BLM, Nazi death camps or the Titanic. :?:
You're obsession with Donald Trump (and his weight) leaves you with a very low quality analysis of where things are politically in the United States right now.
jimjam wrote:The only thing dumber than your 2, 3 or 1000 wrongs make a right thinking is the Republican hogwash of "trickle down economics" to raid the US treasury ….. over and over and over.
Taxing the rich does not make the poor better off. What makes the poor better off is good paying jobs with enough income to afford the necessities of life and a bit of a surplus to put away for retirement. To maintain that standard of living for the benefit of many Americans, that means you cannot outsource your industries for fatter profit margins. Higher taxes or lower taxes on the rich plays no role in whether poor people will be better off.
Unlike you, I actually listen to a wide range of people. Last night, for example, I was listening to this:
It's free with ads. You'll probably like it, but it will take an hour and 12 minutes of your time without ads. Noam Chomsky is a dedicated leftist, but his (and much of Marxian analysis) is broken. Why is Jeff Bezos so rich? We can agree that he's an asshole to his drivers and warehouse workers, and his food workers (cancelling health insurance for part time employees to make things more "efficient"). However, you lament that Amazon doesn't pay taxes. Why? They don't make profits if they can avoid it. A few companies do this. The other huge one is Tesla. So what they do is drive their stock prices higher. Marxian analysis relies on the 19th Century structure of wage exploitation as the gap between the rich and the poor, where the rich are skimming off the surface the cream that rises to the top--the profit margin. That's not happening here. In the 19th Century, you were looking at economies at full employment, with dangerous and underpaid work going to the poor. Today, you have people who are homeless, unemployed, dependent on government subsidies just to survive, while international traders are allowed to lay people off in their home country, hire people overseas to produce goods, and sell them in the home market without tariffs. That's tax cuts for the rich jimjam, and you don't seem to get it, but you're all for it. Donald Trump is the only successful political actor to address that fact in the last 30 years. People were willing to overlook one hell of a lot of character flaws to that end, and you just don't seem to get it.
I don't always agree with Peter Zeihan, but he has an interesting take on the political breakdown in the United States.
This will take only 15 minutes of your time. Zeihan doesn't mention voter fraud at all, but he does describe how and why Donald Trump won in 2016. He also describes why second generation Hispanics vote Republican, not Democrat. This is why the so-called demographic shift isn't necessarily going to tilt America to the political left. It's worth your time. He thinks Trump is a moron, but he doesn't call him Fat Donald, because he can't afford to offend his audience.
jimjam wrote:A screaming mob that caused senators and congressmen to run for their lives is according to @blackjack21 a peaceful demonstration with "just a few broken windows".
Actually, I find a bit of humor in the whole thing--particularly the guy with horns, the guy walking off with the lectern, which he didn't steal; and the guy who put his feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk. I think they should be running for their lives, because I don't like the establishment--as you have known for some time. I think 1/6 is generally more peaceful than say firing motors into a federal courthouse in Portland with the mayor of Portland in the middle of the mob (unlike Trump on 1/6), for example. Regrettably, the police shot a woman and killed her, and another police officer was killed in the fracas. About as many people died at the Altamont Speedway Free Festival in 1969 about 20 minutes drive from my house. About 4 times as many died in the riots of 2020. So seeing Congressman and Senators running for their lives is kind of refreshing in a way. At least some of them are learning that Congress' popularity in the low teens is for real.
jimjam wrote:I will give B.J. the benefit of doubt and assume he is not dumb enough to believe his own blather and is simply doing what I do: taking poetic license
Sure. However, Congress does need to get the message that voter fraud is going to lead to a violent overthrow of the government. I don't think they really get it. The United States as a whole is not just a microcosm of California. You can't just take California style voter fraud national and expect that you're going to run phony elections and have everyone fall in line. It's not going to work. They need to understand the political re-alignment that's going on in this country, and around the world. Many of them are committed to keeping their heads in the sand. Further, I find Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's histrionics and lies absolutely entertaining as you and I both find Donald Trump.
The SuperBowl game was fine, but everything around it was like a propaganda festival from North Korea or the Soviet Union. Even with a fraction of the audience in the stadium, and a televised address from Biden where his wife did almost all of the talking, you could still hear the audience booing Biden. It's a desperately bad situation--this, to the most popular president in the history of the United States if we're seriously expected to believe the election results. Jeep has already had to pull their Bruce Springsteen the phony cowboy from New Jersey ad, because he was arrested for drunk driving in November. The television ratings for the NFL plummeted even though they had a game with the one of the best quarterbacks of all time going on to win an unprecedented 7th SuperBowl ring in his tenth appearance in the SuperBowl playing against the only quarterback in sight that could rival Tom Brady's greatness. The establishment is just utterly tone deaf.
jimjam wrote:Jessica M. Watkins, second from left, and Donovan Crowl, center, during the mob attack (@blackjack21 's "peaceful demonstration" ) on the Capitol on Jan. 6. “If Trump asks me to come, I will,” Ms. Watkins said in a text message.
You didn't include the link. Yes. Much of the electorate is that pissed off.
See, this is what you're missing jimjam: the establishment infiltrates all these groups to control them. However, they are losing control and that's what is scaring them. As I said in March of 2020, we were going to see violence. Did we see it? Yes. All throughout 2020. What made the George Floyd story compelling wasn't that Floyd died at the hands of the police. It's that many people feel the government has its boots on their necks, and they do. So the media narrative about policing in 2020 wasn't what was really bothering people. It was that the government was forcing working class people into poverty, and they are.
Notice the plot of 7 or so guys who wanted to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer already had an FBI guy in their ranks? They spy on everyone jimjam. However, you cannot contain millions of people when they get truly pissed off.
This one hits close to home for me. (Drlee, you should watch it too since you've lived in San Francisco and knew its culture).
Or this one:
The government is not accountable to the people anymore, and people are desperate and afraid. Lamenting the 74M people who voted for Trump may give you some relief. However, so far, nearly everyone arrested also has some serious financial difficulty. Let that sink in. People on the right are being hurt financially too.
jimjam wrote:Chilling new details emerged on Thursday about the plot by the Oath Keepers militia group to attack the Capitol as prosecutors said that members discussed a brazen plan to ferry “heavy weapons” in a boat across the Potomac River into Washington and began training sessions “for urban warfare, riot control and rescue operations” well before Election Day.
Yeah. I guarantee you that Trump didn't form the Oath Keepers. What you are witnessing is that people do not feel that the government represents them.
jimjam wrote:The new accounts about the Oath Keepers’ role in the Capitol assault came on the third day of former President Donald J. Trump’s impeachment trial and included allegations that a member of the militia group was “awaiting direction” from Mr. Trump about how to handle the results of the vote in the days that followed the election.
Yes. A call that never came, because Trump did not direct them to break any laws or hurt anyone. However, they were ready to do it if asked. That's where the country is right now.
jimjam wrote:“POTUS has the right to activate units too,” the Oath Keepers member, Jessica M. Watkins, wrote in a text message to an associate on Nov. 9, according to court papers.
Yeah. In case you didn't notice, Jessica is a woman's name. I'm guessing she is not a he trying to become a she. So that means that many women feel this way too.
What we have is a government that does not respect the will of the people. For example, Trump wanted to pull troops out of Syria. The Pentagon and CIA opposed him. Aren't they supposed to do what the president asks? Aren't they supposed to be subordinate to civilian leadership? Obama put US troops in Syria. By what authority? Did Congress authorize military force in Syria? No. Did the UN? No. Did NATO invoke a defense clause in the treaty? No. The Pentagon even lied to Trump about the number of troops there. They also psychologically profiled him, and told him that we needed troops there to "keep the oil" as Trump was known to have said. Biden is increasing troops in Syria. Where is the mass support for this? Nowhere. Where is the legality for this? Nowhere. Where's the legality keep casinos open and shut down churches? Nowhere.
This is a government in peril jimjam. It has very little to do with Donald Trump or his weight. If Donald Trump called for the overthrow of the US government, the government probably would not stand. That's where we are when you have government without the consent of the governed actively forcing people into abject poverty and desperation while purporting to be doing it to save their lives. If they keep this up, they are going to face a revolution that will make the French Revolution look like a pillow fight. Keep in mind, the United States has more guns than people. The establishment is playing a very, very dangerous game.
"We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
-- Joe Biden
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So? You're a big defender of Mike Pence now? This isn't any different than Kathy Griffin holding a mock severed head of Donald Trump, or Snoop Dog's Trump assassination video. 
The only thing dumber than your 2, 3 or 1000 wrongs make a right thinking is the Republican hogwash of "trickle down economics" to raid the US treasury ….. over and over and over. 
- By wat0n