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"During the busiest month along the Mexico border in nearly two decades, U.S. authorities took more than 172,000 migrants into custody in March, according to enforcement statistics released Thursday that provide a stark measure of the challenges facing the Biden administration.

The total included 18,890 teens and children who arrived without parents, a record quantity that overwhelmed U.S. shelter capacity and produced crisis-level crowding inside government border tents.

“We are continuing to dig out of a hole left by the previous administration,” said one administration official."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/march-border-crossing-numbers/2021/04/07/2c252c52-97dd-11eb-8e42-3906c09073f9_story.html

I had wanted to put this into an existing thread, but couldn't find that thread. I will likely start another thread about the quadrennial Global Trends report that the intel community puts out. It puts this into a larger context.

But the short and sweet of it is this: This is just the beginning.
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My short and sweet answer to this 'crisis' of minors unaccompanied that want refugee status in the USA? @late there are going to be people saying, "Deport them. We can't take in kids and their issues. That is their government's incompetence, not the USA's and Homeland security." Then others who are more extreme, "Jail them all and punish them before sending them home." Some who are nutty and violent saying, "Go shooting and no man or woman or child and no problem." Then there are rational people who say, "Problem is not going away. Time for dialogue and a policy that works to stop people from losing all hope and with no money and zero possessions walking across thousands of miles with risk for death. How bad has it gotten over there? Let us come up with real solutions that work!"

Neglecting the needs of Central America and Mexico and the poorest people in the Southern part of the American hemisphere. Mexico is North America technically but it is South of the USA.

Do you want to stem the flow? Pick up the phone and talk to the leaders of the nations with the largest amount of kids fleeing bad conditions. Find out why there is a crisis and come up with solutions.

Otherwise, it is just the beginning. You see what happens when you don't care about a bunch of poor Latin American people to the south and you don't give a damn about their situations? Crisis. Live and learn.
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Tainari88 wrote:Do you want to stem the flow? Pick up the phone and talk to the leaders of the nations with the largest amount of kids fleeing bad conditions. Find out why there is a crisis and come up with solutions.


You do realize those leaders could be part of the problem. Right?
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wat0n wrote:You do realize those leaders could be part of the problem. Right?


Like Trump? Lol.

Central America has serious problems. Mostly elites that don't give a shit about poor people. That happens in the USA as well. And such acute lack of law enforcement, chaos and poverty and the USA in El Salvador's case deporting people without the Salvadoran government having enough prison space and letting them out in the streets and drugs due to the USA consuming and demanding and poverty being rampant there and drug dealing a great alluring prospect for dead broke youth with 2nd grade educations living without running water and no electricity. Yes, I understand the problem. Do you?

Problems of that sort are about what Bregman talks about. Which the again, capitalist money banking, arms race, greed Empire is not INTERESTED or CARES ENOUGH about to deal with....do you understand that? Yes or no?





Is it because Latinos are incapable of peace and order? No. It is about drugs, crime and poverty. People can't make a living, can't be free of illicit drug activities and never free of violent crime.

Reagan thought all the interfering was the answer. It was not. A bunch of assholes I would say who don't concentrate of why the government is without power to enforce laws. It has to do with desperation. Deal with the problem. because if not? They all head NORTH.

What happens to failed states? where you have a lack of security, lack of health care and lack of education? Chaos and a run for the North.


The solution is send them back to die. I say send MONEY, resources, counseling, jobs and coops for all workers to get paid and be independent. Night school for adult women to complete high school and college, do programs that are about keeping people employed, healthy, and educated. THE END. Don't invest? Flood the USA and go there.

The alternative is to give up. Not an option.
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Tainari88 wrote:Like Trump? Lol.


Even worse than him.

Tainari88 wrote:Central America has serious problems. Mostly elites that don't give a shit about poor people. That happens in the USA as well.


Not to the extent it happens in Central America, and the rest of Latin America.

Tainari88 wrote:And such acute lack of law enforcement, chaos and poverty and the USA in El Salvador's case deporting people without the Salvadoran government having enough prison space and letting them out in the streets and drugs due to the USA consuming and demanding and poverty being rampant there and drug dealing a great alluring prospect for dead broke youth with 2nd grade educations living without running water and no electricity. Yes, I understand the problem. Do you?


You forget the same elites taking active part in the aforementioned drug trafficking, reaching all the way to those countries' Presidents. So what will they tell you when you ask them about solving the emigrants' problems?

Tainari88 wrote:Problems of that sort are about what Bregman talks about. Which the again, capitalist money banking, arms race, greed Empire is not INTERESTED or CARES ENOUGH about to deal with....do you understand that? Yes or no?


Funnily enough, Venezuela is participating in the same sort of behavior: New "socialist" elites associated with the PSUV that are corrupt to the core (more than the previous one, even), partaking in drug trade of their own, lawlessness, chaos and poverty leading to mass emigration of Venezuelans fleeing economic failure of the worst kind, even worse than Central America, but who instead of reaching the US go to other South American countries in caravans (very much like Central Americans do).

But of course it's because of capitalism :roll:
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wat0n wrote:Even worse than him.



Not to the extent it happens in Central America, and the rest of Latin America.



You forget the same elites taking active part in the aforementioned drug trafficking, reaching all the way to those countries' Presidents. So what will they tell you when you ask them about solving the emigrants' problems?



Funnily enough, Venezuela is participating in the same sort of behavior: New "socialist" elites associated with the PSUV that are corrupt to the core (more than the previous one, even), partaking in drug trade of their own, lawlessness, chaos and poverty leading to mass emigration of Venezuelans fleeing economic failure of the worst kind, even worse than Central America, but who instead of reaching the US go to other South American countries in caravans (very much like Central Americans do).

But of course it's because of capitalism :roll:


Sanctions and pressure and destabilizing and having the USA consume a bunch of drugs all day every day. Americans consume all those drugs. Why? Psychological voids? Addictions? Trump promised to cope with the pill popping issues. People die like flies in Ohio due to OPIOIDS.

It is not capitalism?

What is selling drugs for a profit regardless of what a law says and profit is KING? Socialism? No.

It is crime due to no real economic opportunities.

WOuld you give them refugee visas?

Or tell them 'go home and get killed or raped'. Deal with it.

No, the international community needs to cope with helping out. Economic activities and so on. Solutions Wat0n. It is not my fault you don't give a damn dude.
My solution in Merida, Mexico where I live and has a lot of Central Americans here with the issues? Give them free education. That is what needs to happen and safety and a way of eating and minimal help. The Mexican government has refugee programs. I see them in the immigration office here all the time. I talk to them and they talk about solutions. People are not dumb Wat0n they know what they need. Just ask them. They will come up with their own solutions. Dialogo. No pendejadas y pro capitalismo that doesn't really care about violence or poverty.

Charity cases are not solutions. Policies that are in place and scientifically researched for effective results does work.
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Tainari88 wrote:Sanctions and pressure and destabilizing and having the USA consume a bunch of drugs all day every day. Americans consume all those drugs. Why? Psychological voids? Addictions? Trump promised to cope with the pill popping issues. People die like flies in Ohio due to OPIOIDS.


Yeah, it's always the USA's fault, even the corruption of Venezuelan socialists is. Thoroughly pathetic :lol:

And by the way, there are plenty of consumers in Latin America itself, along with Europe. Yes, Europe is also an export destination.

Tainari88 wrote:It is not capitalism?


And it's socialism too. The USSR would monopolize the production of alcohol, chiefly among them vodka, and sell it to its own subjects.

It's almost as if drugs were consumed by people regardless of the political system in place.

Tainari88 wrote:What is selling drugs for a profit regardless of what a law says and profit is KING? Socialism? No.


It is when the government sells them to its own population, or when it sells them abroad. You know, control of the means of production.

Tainari88 wrote:It is crime due to no real economic opportunities.


Poor people aren't the only ones involved in drug trade, you know...

Tainari88 wrote:WOuld you give them refugee visas?

Or tell them 'go home and get killed or raped'. Deal with it.

No, the international community needs to cope with helping out. Economic activities and so on. Solutions Wat0n. It is not my fault you don't give a damn dude.


I'd give them immigrant visas (they are not refugees, they are migrants), and make legal immigration easier. But I would also make sure it's harder to immigrate illegally, which is less justified if there's a legal option.

I don't think the US can do much to change Central American societies, beyond offering some humanitarian aid (which would need to be tightly controlled to make sure it reaches those it is intended to reach). Since you are such a Latin American nationalist, then I think you can accept it's their own responsibility to figure out how to fix their problems instead of having the USA do it for them.
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I don't blame the desperate, the poor, the ill, the refugees. I think the more education you have, the more money the more power you have? The greater the responsibilities.

That is being just. The ones have more give more the one's with less give less. You know that socialist adage 'to each according to their need'. Need is great you give more.

Abusive Empires don't give more they take more than they give. That is the whole point of that bad value primitive inefficient wasteful greedy system. Capitalism, the foundation of I want more and 'greed is good' Gordon Gekko from Wall Street.

Deberian estar pensando que hay que compartir y amar y proteger.

¿Dicen que son cristianos? Los actos dicen lo contrario.
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Tainari88 wrote:I don't blame the desperate, the poor, the ill, the refugees. I think the more education you have, the more money the more power you have? The greater the responsibilities.

That is being just. The ones have more give more the one's with less give less. You know that socialist adage 'to each according to their need'. Need is great you give more.

Abusive Empires don't give more they take more than they give. That is the whole point of that bad value primitive inefficient wasteful greedy system. Capitalism, the foundation of I want more and 'greed is good' Gordon Gekko from Wall Street.

Deberian estar pensando que hay que compartir y amar y proteger.

¿Dicen que son cristianos? Los actos dicen lo contrario.


That's the socialist adage, but it's rarely put into practice even by the socialists themselves. At least people like Trump are honest about their rejection of that socialist principle (which also makes a few assumptions that may not be always true).
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wat0n wrote:That's the socialist adage, but it's rarely put into practice even by the socialists themselves. At least people like Trump are honest about their rejection of that socialist principle (which also makes a few assumptions that may not be always true).

The Democrats want open borders because they assume Latin Americans will always vote for the Democrats. The assumption is partially correct, but as Latin Americans achieve economic success they tend to go to the right. So the Dems need "new blood" to get votes and stay in power.
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Julian658 wrote:
The Democrats want open borders



You need lies that aren't brain dead.

You don't have any, but you need them all the same. The administration sent home over 100,000 immigrants in that same month.

Someone with even a shred of morality would not lie constantly...
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wat0n wrote:That's the socialist adage, but it's rarely put into practice even by the socialists themselves. At least people like Trump are honest about their rejection of that socialist principle (which also makes a few assumptions that may not be always true).


There are Robert Owen capitalist vs Trump University liars. There are authoritarian socialist liars and control freaks and there are humanist socialists with real principles. That is life.

You just believe in a bad system and reject the alternative because? You want to not fail at making money? is that it? You were sent to Chicago to get training on how to become rich and successful and you fear failure?

I don't teach bad values in my home. Like greed is good and defend greed because you got a shot at being rich.

Who do I respect as immigrants? Doctor Alfredo Quinones-Hinojosa. Not the ones who want to become bankers and spit on Latin American women fleeing domestic violence, and dummies who think the USA is some kind of benevolent Empire. It is not.

It is this:



Here is one of the founder's of the NAACP (he is not worried about greed and getting his--he is worried about expanding democracy):



They always say don't do the rocking of the boat. Just accept all that shitty greed. Shut up and love it.

I quote Nancy Reagan when referring to drug war problems...."Just say no."

To hell with making socialists a crime. Not from people spitting out greed as their motto and mantra. A death cult is what all that Greed leads to.
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Tainari88 wrote:There are Robert Owen capitalist vs Trump University liars. There are authoritarian socialist liars and control freaks and there are humanist socialists with real principles. That is life.


Indeed, but I can tell that neither capitalist sells as much (and as well) as the socialist does.

Tainari88 wrote:You just believe in a bad system and reject the alternative because?


I reject the alternative you propose because we know it's an even worse system. A better system isn't all THAT different from what the US has - it will have greater taxation and more generous social policies, yes, but the core will not be radically different from what the US is doing nowadays.

Tainari88 wrote:You want to not fail at making money? is that it? You were sent to Chicago to get training on how to become rich and successful and you fear failure?

I don't teach bad values in my home. Like greed is good and defend greed because you got a shot at being rich.


I wish I had been taught how to become rich quick :lol:

I actually work for a nonprofit research organization, a work I actually like, despite the ups and downs that come with any job it's also fulfilling and useful for society (particularly now, because I work on stuff related to vaccinations), has decent pay and great benefits and good environment. And yes, I fear failure - why wouldn't I? I took large debts (for Chilean standards) to come here, and I have to pay them. If I don't, then my family will. So of course I work hard and do my best not to fail. I don't want to burden by 60+ years old mother with my problems. And I also happen to like my job, in all.

Care to explain why wouldn't I fear failure?

Tainari88 wrote:Who do I respect as immigrants? Doctor Alfredo Quinones-Hinojosa. Not the ones who want to become bankers and spit on Latin American women fleeing domestic violence, and dummies who think the USA is some kind of benevolent Empire. It is not.

It is this:



Here is one of the founder's of the NAACP (he is not worried about greed and getting his--he is worried about expanding democracy):



They always say don't do the rocking of the boat. Just accept all that shitty greed. Shut up and love it.

I quote Nancy Reagan when referring to drug war problems...."Just say no."


His story is of course respectable, but I also respect immigrants who just want to work hard, respect the law of the receiving country, try to learn about it and its society and are generally respectful of others. I don't expect immigrants to be super-moral human beings, because I'm not.

Tainari88 wrote:To hell with making socialists a crime. Not from people spitting out greed as their motto and mantra. A death cult is what all that Greed leads to.


No one is making them a crime. They are just being made a joke, if you watch the likes of Maduro or those who buy into postmodern crap - and it's totally self-inflicted.
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late wrote:You need lies that aren't brain dead.

You don't have any, but you need them all the same. The administration sent home over 100,000 immigrants in that same month.

Someone with even a shred of morality would not lie constantly...
.

The reason they came is because the immigrants assumed Biden would open the country. That was just demagoguery to win the Hispanic vote.

Biden said he will not send kids back and now the kids are coming in large numbers and warehoused in a manner worse than what Trump did.

This is"arroz con culo" due to Biden paying too much attention to the SJW branch of the party.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:This surge in numbers at the border is almost certainly due to Biden lifting the restrictions on asylum seekers and allowing them to wait in the USA.

Hey POD:

Can you explain to the audience why open borders are important to the left.
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Julian658 wrote:.

The reason they came is because the immigrants assumed Biden would open the country.



Moving the goalposts is just another lie.

Which is a standard propaganda technique. It's also standard for con artists, which is not a coincidence.
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Some people seem to not know that Trump had thousands of asylum seekers waiting in Mexico to have their application heard.

This was a new law that Trump created.

Biden must hav ended it, so that backlog of asylum seekers all came at the same time. this is whynthere is a surge right now in numbers.

But the root causes of this migration have not been addressed. So if you do not like Latinos coming to your country, those should be dealt with.
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