[jimjam]

Nicole Poole Franklin pleaded guilty to two counts of violating the U.S. Hate Crime Act for trying to kill two children in separate attacks because of their perceived ethnicities.

I am 76 years old and never have I seen an atmosphere of general and specific hate as prevalent in America as I see today. Seems to be everywhere ….. the supermarket, highways, splitting families and, big time, in all forms of media. Hate is, of course, nothing new but the all encompassing magnitude I se today is, IMO, indicative of a sick society.

Do you see this? If so, why? Where is it going?

[late]

1) Do you see this? If so, why?

2) Where is it going?

1)Long story.

2) "In a January poll conducted by the American Enterprise Institute, researchers asked respondents whether “the traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.” Thirty-six percent of Americans, and an astounding 56 percent of Republicans, said yes.All of this raises a serious question: Could the United States experience prolonged, acute civil violence?

According to dozens of interviews with former and current government officials, counterterrorism researchers, and political scientists who study both the U.S. and other countries, the answer is yes. “I think that the conditions are pretty clearly headed in that direction,” says Katrina Mulligan, the managing director for national security and international policy at the Center for American Progress and the former director for preparedness and response in the national security division at the Department of Justice (DOJ). The insurrection on “January 6 was a canary in the coal mine in a way, precisely because it wasn’t a surprise to those of us who have been following this.”

“We can run around and do targeting operations. The FBI can sweep up dudes nonstop,” says Jason Dempsey, an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and a former special assistant to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But political violence is, ultimately, a political problem. So long as the GOP remains in thrall to the far right, attackers will have enough support to regenerate. “If you don’t address that,” Dempsey says, “then no amount of tactical action will ever get you ahead of the game.”

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/april-may-june-2021/americas-next-insurgency/

[jimjam]

1)Long story.

2) "In a January poll conducted by the American Enterprise Institute, researchers asked respondents whether “the traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.” Thirty-six percent of Americans, and an astounding 56 percent of Republicans, said yes.All of this raises a serious question: Could the United States experience prolonged, acute civil violence?

According to dozens of interviews with former and current government officials, counterterrorism researchers, and political scientists who study both the U.S. and other countries, the answer is yes. “I think that the conditions are pretty clearly headed in that direction,” says Katrina Mulligan, the managing director for national security and international policy at the Center for American Progress and the former director for preparedness and response in the national security division at the Department of Justice (DOJ). The insurrection on “January 6 was a canary in the coal mine in a way, precisely because it wasn’t a surprise to those of us who have been following this.”

“We can run around and do targeting operations. The FBI can sweep up dudes nonstop,” says Jason Dempsey, an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and a former special assistant to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But political violence is, ultimately, a political problem. So long as the GOP remains in thrall to the far right, attackers will have enough support to regenerate. “If you don’t address that,” Dempsey says, “then no amount of tactical action will ever get you ahead of the game.”

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/april-may-june-2021/americas-next-insurgency/

I essentially agree with this but I see more, much more. Hate is like a virus, very contagious and capable of spreading rapidly. It has become, essentially, an industry in America with professional (it seems) hate mongers manipulating the masses for their own enrichment. I see more hate on the streets than I have ever seen. It creeps into families and every day interactions. It no longer seems possible for folks to respect ideas that differ from their ideas or to respect those who hold ideas that differ from their ideas, things go downhill rapidly and hate's companion, anger, takes over. I have seen life long friendships end over meaningless disputes. Agree to disagree now seems a quaint and useless concept. E. Pluribus Unum ? (from many one) ain't representative of America any longer. Perhaps we should remove it from our coins and replace it with "Diversity Not Welcome!"

[Rancid]

Could the United States experience prolonged, acute civil violence?

Yes, but it's more like chronic violence and not acute.

That said, perhaps this is what needs to happen for us to finally move on from this. Often, a conflagration is needed to things to change. Perhaps, this one is just in the form of protests and civil unrest.

[Tainari88]

Nicole Poole Franklin pleaded guilty to two counts of violating the U.S. Hate Crime Act for trying to kill two children in separate attacks because of their perceived ethnicities.

I am 76 years old and never have I seen an atmosphere of general and specific hate as prevalent in America as I see today. Seems to be everywhere ….. the supermarket, highways, splitting families and, big time, in all forms of media. Hate is, of course, nothing new but the all encompassing magnitude I se today is, IMO, indicative of a sick society.

Do you see this? If so, why? Where is it going?

I had seen it clearly jimjam a long time ago. it was not something invisible to me. One has to be honest about what one knows to be true about many disappointments in this life. The USA is becoming corrosive with the lack of tolerance and the perceived slights and possessiveness. About who is to blame. A lot of willfully ignorant people Jimjam.

[colliric]

Nicole Poole Franklin pleaded guilty to two counts of violating the U.S. Hate Crime Act for trying to kill two children in separate attacks because of their perceived ethnicities.

I am 76 years old and never have I seen an atmosphere of general and specific hate as prevalent in America as I see today. Seems to be everywhere ….. the supermarket, highways, splitting families and, big time, in all forms of media. Hate is, of course, nothing new but the all encompassing magnitude I se today is, IMO, indicative of a sick society.

Do you see this? If so, why? Where is it going?

Hate has always been there and the magnitude has always been the same, you're just noticing it now due to social media allowing you to see news stories like that and see the size of the problem for the first time.

I saw the recent "Death to Arabs" lynch mob that injured or killed over 100 Muslims in a certain city of a certain unnamed country(I'm trying to stay on Noemon's good side) on social media, wasn't much reported anywhere else. Thanks to Social Media I saw it because I follow activist Ariel Gold.

It's always been a problem for the human race since the time of Jesus.

[ThirdTerm]

She will go through a mental competency evaluation. Only a mad woman can intentionally run over children with her car like this. If she is incompetent to stand trial, police should suspend her driver's license for the rest of her life. Prosecutors have recommended she be sentenced to 27 years behind bars. She has said she suffers from schizophrenia and post-traumatic stress disorder. Probably she had a traumatic brain injury (TBI) in the past. People who have experienced TBI are more likely to commit violent crimes, being unable to tell right from wrong because they cannot control their anger.

A Polk County judge on Monday granted a request for a mental competency evaluation for a Des Moines woman charged with attempted murder after trying to run over two youths in separate incidents, telling police she specifically targeted one victim because she is “Mexican.”

Senior Polk County District Court Judge Karen Romano said there is probable cause that Nicole Marie Poole Franklin, 42, is suffering with a mental disorder.

Franklin appeared in court after a request for a competency evaluation was filed. Monday was meant to be Franklin's preliminary hearing on the first count of attempted murder of the Latina teen. However, Franklin's attorney, Matthew Sheeley, told the court he believes Franklin is suffering from a mental disorder and is incompetent to stand trial.

Sheeley met his client for the first time Monday morning.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 773386001/

[jimjam]

"Hate has always been there and the magnitude has always been the same, you're just noticing it now due to social media allowing you to see news stories like that and see the size of the problem for the first time.

I saw the recent "Death to Arabs" lynch mob that injured or killed over 100 Muslims in a certain city of a certain unnamed country(I'm trying to stay on Noemon's good side) on social media, wasn't much reported anywhere else. Thanks to Social Media I saw it because I follow activist Ariel Gold.

It's always been a problem for the human race since the time of Jesus." Colliric

Yes, of course hate is nothing new. And yes, of course the media fans the flames with instant reporting of hatred. But, this is only a part of what I have noticed. I see it becoming more and more prevalent in the micro world, small scale, around me every day. We're not talking riots or demonstrations here. I see life long friendships between TWO people ended in a swirl of hatred over nonsensical issues with a greater frequency than I have ever seen. Hatred in the supermarket between people who wear masks and people who do not wear masks. This is not a riot. It is a poison taking over our society/culture on the day to day sidewalk level.

There is no simple one size fits all explanation but sometimes I wonder ……. world population in the year I was born, 1944, was around 2,200,000,000 with a density per kilometer of about 15. Today world population is about 7,800,000,000 with a density per km of about 52. Is poor planet earth over populated and becoming less able to provide a decent quality of life for us peons?

The greed factor, of course, does not help:

Boeing had a historically bad 2020. Its 737 Max was grounded for most of the year after two deadly crashes, the pandemic decimated its business, and the company announced plans to lay off 30,000 workers and reported a $12 billion loss. Nonetheless, its chief executive, David Calhoun, was rewarded with some $21.1 million in compensation.

Norwegian Cruise Line barely survived the year. With the cruise industry at a standstill, the company lost $4 billion and furloughed 20 percent of its staff. That didn’t stop Norwegian from more than doubling the pay of Frank Del Rio, its chief executive, to $36.4 million.

And at Hilton, where nearly a quarter of the corporate staff were laid off as hotels around the world sat empty and the company lost $720 million, it was a good year for the man in charge. Hilton reported in a securities filing that Chris Nassetta, its chief executive, received compensation worth $55.9 million in 2020.

This is a surprise? They laid off employees, took loans to buyback stocks and then made a killing as the market boomed.
Meanwhile there are 8 Million more people out of a job, a few more million forced into early retirement, and many spent down savings accounts.

No wait, Justice Roberts says corporations have human rights on their own. All hail our new corporate overlords- and their unitary executives, the real Senate. Pass upward the wealth, as they pass down the risk, and the "externalities"- the polite word for every sort of muck. Corporate colonialism.

[colliric]

Michael Moore's Roger & Me was his real masterpiece, since it's the movie of his that has remained extremely relevant decades later. Arguably a timeless documentary.

That was about GM, and by association Ford and the other car makers, doing the same shit to the town of Flint as well as the whole state of Michigan in the late 80s.

Layoffs and plant closures when they were making record profit. Detroit filing for Bankruptcy and the Flint water crisis proved nothing changed, it actually got worse since his classic film. Still where those corporations are mainly headquartered, still has a shitty economic outlook regardless.

[Julian658]

She will go through a mental competency evaluation. Only a mad woman can intentionally run over children with her car like this. If she is incompetent to stand trial, police should suspend her driver's license for the rest of her life.

Everything seems worse these days, but in reality things are better. Nevertheless, enhanced perception is reality for many.
Black people shot by police was much worse in the not so distant past, but I bet most probably think it is much worse in this era.

[Unthinking Majority]

Do you see this? If so, why? Where is it going?

Caucasians feel under threat existentially as a race and culture. You can't transition a group of people from being a majority to a minority without some social friction. It's inevitable. If Caucasians feel under threat, then so will POC. Hence, conflict.

A lot of people on the left repeat the meme "Diversity is our strength". However, multiculturalism and multi-racialism can cause a lot of political and social frictions as shown all over the world and all through modern history. For westerners to think they're immune to that conflict is idealistic nonsense

I think unity is our strength. It's ok to be different but we unite through our shared values and the parts of our culture that's shared. If we don't unite then we will divide. If we're too divided and not united enough then different groups will retreat into their own tribes and these different tribes will clash for power. That's exactly what we're seeing today. It's no different than Jews vs Palestinians/Arabs, Shia vs Sunni vs Kurds, Hutu vs Tutsi, or Indians vs Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/Punjabis, Ireland vs Britain etc.

[Potemkin]

Michael Moore's Roger & Me was his real masterpiece, since it's the movie of his that has remained extremely relevant decades later. Arguably a timeless documentary.

That was about GM, and by association Ford and the other car makers, doing the same shit to the town of Flint as well as the whole state of Michigan in the late 80s.

Layoffs and plant closures when they were making record profit. Detroit filing for Bankruptcy and the Flint water crisis proved nothing changed, it actually got worse since his classic film. Still where those corporations are mainly headquartered, still has a shitty economic outlook regardless.

"We're bigger than General Motors." - Meyer Lansky.
"We're bigger than the Mafia." - General Motors.

[late]

I essentially agree with this but I see more, much more. Hate is like a virus, very contagious and capable of spreading rapidly. It has become, essentially, an industry in America with professional (it seems) hate mongers manipulating the masses for their own enrichment. I see more hate on the streets than I have ever seen. It creeps into families and every day interactions. It no longer seems possible for folks to respect ideas that differ from their ideas or to respect those who hold ideas that differ from their ideas, things go downhill rapidly and hate's companion, anger, takes over. I have seen life long friendships end over meaningless disputes. Agree to disagree now seems a quaint and useless concept. E. Pluribus Unum ? (from many one) ain't representative of America any longer. Perhaps we should remove it from our coins and replace it with "Diversity Not Welcome!"

Movements tend to fade, like the Tea Party. Wonder if they ever realised they were puppets.

But cultural change is often permanent. American slave owning culture developed in the Caribbean a few hundred years ago, and spread from there. This looks like that cancer metastastizing, but I hope I am wrong.

[Julian658]

Caucasians feel under threat existentially as a race and culture. You can't transition a group of people from being a majority to a minority without some social friction. It's inevitable. If Caucasians feel under threat, then so will POC. Hence, conflict.

A lot of people on the left repeat the meme "Diversity is our strength". However, multiculturalism and multi-racialism can cause a lot of political and social frictions as shown all over the world and all through modern history. For westerners to think they're immune to that conflict is idealistic nonsense

I think unity is our strength. It's ok to be different but we unite through our shared values and the parts of our culture that's shared. If we don't unite then we will divide. If we're too divided and not united enough then different groups will retreat into their own tribes and these different tribes will clash for power. That's exactly what we're seeing today. It's no different than Jews vs Palestinians/Arabs, Shia vs Sunni vs Kurds, Hutu vs Tutsi, or Indians vs Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/Punjabis, Ireland vs Britain etc.

I think the cause is Racial Group Identity politics. This causes division which leads to tribalism, balkanization, and eventually violence. This is sad because things have improved quite a bit. However, the perception is that they are worse. It is PTSD at a global scale.

[late]

I think the cause is Racial Group Identity politics. This causes division which leads to tribalism, balkanization, and eventually violence. This is sad because things have improved quite a bit. However, the perception is that they are worse. It is PTSD at a global scale.

Your ability to ignore the obvious is staggering.

The root cause is the change in the demographics. Whites are losing their majority, and their minds.

The secondary cause is racism. Blacks, after centuries of vicious racism, are being assimilated. That's the root cause of why Whites have gone batsh*t crazy...

[wat0n]

What do demographics have to do with e.g. anti-Asian racism coming from some Blacks?

What do demographics have to do with the mutual hatred between Democrats and Republicans?

FWIW, it seems racism is much, much lower than it was not that long ago. But partisan polarization hasn't been this high since the 19th century.

[blackjack21]

Is poor planet earth over populated and becoming less able to provide a decent quality of life for us peons?

To a degree. We will probably reach about 9-10B people, but then population is set to decline rapidly. That will have serious implications too. Harry S. Dent is known for his YouTube rants, but also for his predictions of economic crisis on the basis of demographics.

Michael Moore's Roger & Me was his real masterpiece, since it's the movie of his that has remained extremely relevant decades later. Arguably a timeless documentary.

Agreed. After that, he sort of became a gadfly. Roger and Me wasn't just timely, but also prescient. It came before GATT and NAFTA and admitting China to the WTO.

Black people shot by police was much worse in the not so distant past, but I bet most probably think it is much worse in this era.

Well, what is clearly worse is the media actively trying to gin up civil discontent. If you want to talk about hate in America, the media routinely lies and distort the actions of police to make it appear as if the police simply enjoy killing minorities and that the crimes committed that summon the police are irrelevant in themselves. In the last week we've seen people upset with the police shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant while she was very apparently trying to stab someone. @jimjam you may find it interesting that she was 230 pounds at 16 years old. It's frankly bizarre that the media will suggest that it's totally normal behavior for black people to be fighting with knives and nobody should be surprised by this. It's frankly quite bizarre.

Caucasians feel under threat existentially as a race and culture. You can't transition a group of people from being a majority to a minority without some social friction. It's inevitable. If Caucasians feel under threat, then so will POC. Hence, conflict.

As I've said before, diversity is not a strength. One only need to look at countries like Iraq, Syria, the Balkans region, the Levant, and so on to see a long history of fighting when you have that sort of diversity.

However, multiculturalism and multi-racialism can cause a lot of political and social frictions as shown all over the world and all through modern history.

And throughout ancient history too. In modern history, Biden recognized the Armenian genocide in 1915. Good on him for that.

I think the cause is Racial Group Identity politics. This causes division which leads to tribalism, balkanization, and eventually violence.

That's certainly part of it, and it plays out in the media, politics and school class rooms. However, it has a very top-down quality to it. There's nothing particularly organic or grass roots about it. So I think it is rather intentional. For example, the largest wave of hate crimes going on right now is blacks against Asians. The media will report hate crimes against Asians, but not who's committing the crimes.

This is sad because things have improved quite a bit. However, the perception is that they are worse. It is PTSD at a global scale.

I've actually cancelled my subscription to Fubo after having cancelled DirectTV years ago. I just find no reason to pay for media anymore. I have more money and more peace of mind as a result.

Blacks, after centuries of vicious racism, are being assimilated. That's the root cause of why Whites have gone batsh*t crazy...

Not really. The liberal welfare state has done great damage to black Americans, and anyone else stuck in their welfare state. Thomas Sowell does an excellent job of describing it. Blacks are every bit as much victims as blue collar working class white people who have also seen their jobs shipped overseas.

When people are prevented from making a living by the Washington cabal, they are naturally going to become hostile. The government today is doing it's level best to blame their own actions on racial and identify factions within the United States so that they will attack each other and not attack the politicians in Washington.

[late]

Not really. The liberal welfare state has done great damage to black Americans, and anyone else stuck in their welfare state. Thomas Sowell does an excellent job of describing it. Blacks are every bit as much victims as blue collar working class white people who have also seen their jobs shipped overseas.

Whataboutism...

That doesn't speak to what I said, much less negate it.

Racism comes in historic waves, this is another one.

[Pants-of-dog]

Caucasians feel under threat existentially as a race and culture. You can't transition a group of people from being a majority to a minority without some social friction. It's inevitable. If Caucasians feel under threat, then so will POC. Hence, conflict.

I am not sure this is true.

While I can think of examples that support your claim, I can also think of examples that contradict it.

A lot of people on the left repeat the meme "Diversity is our strength". However, multiculturalism and multi-racialism can cause a lot of political and social frictions as shown all over the world and all through modern history. For westerners to think they're immune to that conflict is idealistic nonsense

Can you provide a concrete example of this?

[Unthinking Majority]

Can you provide a concrete example of this?

Examples of what exactly?

I listed examples of Jews vs Palestinians/Arabs, Shia vs Sunni vs Kurds, Hutu vs Tutsi, or Indians vs Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/Punjabis, Ireland vs Britain etc.

Friction from multiculturalism is far more common than unity within multiculturalism unfortunately. In fact it's extremely rare to have harmony between large minority groups in the same country. There's usually a power struggle. We see that between anglos, indigenous, and french in Canada.

I am not sure this is true.

While I can think of examples that support your claim, I can also think of examples that contradict it.

Well it would be more accurate for me to say that some white people feel under threat. Other white people are very open to multiculturalism and mutli-racialism.

But it seems inevitable to me that some friction would result within a society when a majority race/culture is on a path of going from powerful majority to a minority and trending towards genetic extinction based on reproduction rates. Especially for cultures within countries that have a very old history, like Britain, France, Italy etc. To become a minority in your own nation-state that you dominated for millennia is unnerving to many.

Consider how you or other family members of yours would feel if tens of millions of ie: Chinese or Arabs immigrated to Chile and the locals become a minority, the President was a Muslim Arab etc. I'm sure there would be some kind of moral panic among many hispanic Chileans.