Tainari88 wrote:Therefore, I must conclude you are out to discredit me or malign me as an individual.
You have a tendency to use superlatives, and it rarely takes more than a few examples to illustrate that liars who purport to be Christian aren't quite the worst of the worst. How do you propose to include the worst of the worst into your utopia? You know who they are, but do you embrace them even though they are different from you? Donald Trump is different from you. He's white, non-Hispanic and male. Are you going to start including Osama bin Laden and Donald Trump into your world of love and compassion? I'm curious to know how that works, because you seem to be rejecting Christian nationalists instead of including them.
Tainari88 wrote:Most Buddhists don't kill people, most Christians don't either, most Jews don't either, most Muslims, and most Hindus, and Atheists too, most people of all faiths and creeds and nationalities are not murderers or assassins or any kind of violent crime.
Most of the people who commit extreme violence are already anti-social to begin with. Most soldiers don't kill people. Most cops don't kill people. Most KKK members didn't kill people either. It's just that at times, a group gives license to people who are already anti-social to do anti-social things.
Tainari88 wrote:What makes for it? It is about what criminologists study. Study the reasons the criminologists' list as contributing factors.
I do. There are both environmental and biological drivers. Even your own cited article says so.
Just like we can’t choose our eye color, we can’t choose the chemical makeup of our brain. This can predispose us to a variety of complications, from clinical depression to epilepsy. Some criminologists believe our biology can also predispose us to criminality. That’s not to say criminals are born that way, just that biological factors—including variances in autonomic arousal, neurobiology, and neuroendocrine functioning—have been shown to increase the likelihood that we might commit criminal acts.
Every time I bring this up, you dismiss it, but you also have the strange predilection to cite something that says some aspects of criminality may be biologically driven.
Tainari88 wrote:This topic is about American Christian Nationalism. They are the ones who don't see a contradiction by being American and Nationalistic and Christian. Blaming gays and lesbians and feminists for Osama Bin Laden plots against the World Trade Center is very weird and unchristian behavior.
Actually, it's fairly common among many religious people. The most popular religions are ancient, and their writings are usually massive conflations of myth, history, genealogy, law, health and moral codes, and morality-based entertainment among other things. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism, and as such, Christians often refer to the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. The Old Testament depicts a rather vengeful God. The first mention of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is in the Book of Genesis. According to scriptures, Jesus also mentions Sodom and Gomorrah and that those who reject Jesus' teaching will face a worse fate than Sodom and Gomorrah. It's repeated throughout the Bible. Genesis, Deuteronomy, Judges, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Zephania, Matthew, Luke, Romans, Peter, and Revelation all have references to that story. Male anal intercourse is a common theme in that story. The Bible specifically calls it an abomination, and that those who do it will surely die. Many male homosexuals specifically tend to hate Christianity and Christians, because they think the religion has caused them untold suffering.
Now, think about what has happened since the Sexual Revolution and the decriminalization of anal sex? HIV/AIDS... The people pushing the Sexual Revolution understood the scientific method, and yet they did it anyway. They also knew about Biblical proscriptions against anal sex, and asserted that it was all nonsense. HIV/AIDS has killed 35M+ people since around 1980. That's 5 times as many people as died in Hitler's concentration camps. To liberals, Hitler is quite literally their secular version of Satan. Yet, they cannot see the death of 35M people as a result of things they championed as making it understandable that many religious people simply do not trust liberals.
And for liberals, they can do no wrong. So they do not apologize for their actions. They just come up with phrases like "Safe Sex." Unlike this pandemic, they don't have to worry about getting HIV/AIDS provided they test blood donors, are not IV drug users sharing needles with infected people, or having sex with homosexual or bisexual men; or women who have had sex with such men. So we lose about 8k people a year in the United States to HIV/AIDS and nobody cares, because most people are not in a risk group at all.
Think of the embrace of no-fault divorce, and out-of-wedlock child birth. Liberals worked to get rid of any social stigma. Yet, we had a scientific method that already had a lot of basic information that children from a nuclear family do better than children from broken homes. There were already studies like the Harry Harlow experiments on maternal deprivation in Rhesus monkeys. Yet, they did it anyway. The knew it was making things worse for people. Yet, they did it anyway. Why should religious people trust libertines?
To religious people, going against Biblical teaching necessarily means that God is going punish sin quite harshly. You don't have to read too much of the Bible to figure that out.
Tainari88 wrote:By their fruits, you shall know them. I know who the fake Christians are. The ones who have a hard time accepting people who are unlike them. Period.
Fundamentalist Christians would entirely disagree when the Bible tells them that certain behaviors are unacceptable in the eyes of God. So would conservative Jews and Muslims.
It is only a very recent development that people have come around to the idea that homosexuality isn't merely a behavior or lifestyle that people choose, but rather that sex drives are innate and that homosexuals have a sex attraction that is inconsistent with their sex organs--they want to mate with people of the same sex. This is quite an interesting development for liberals and socialists too, because these people have a deep abiding belief in humans as tabula rasa and bad behavior as a product of a poor upbringing, ignorance, superstition, etc. that can be remedied by education. Yet, now we are being told something quite the contrary: that sexual attraction is normally to the opposite sex, but that it is biologically driven; and, homosexuals have a sexual attraction to people of the same sex. Further, we're being told that feeling like a member of one's sex is also innate, and that a man might be attracted to other men, but also feel as though he is in fact a woman.
I fully expect you to run away from the very article you cited suggesting that some people are born with an innate disposition to anti-social behavior. There are also many studies suggesting that addiction also involves inherited traits.
Tainari88 wrote:The American Christian Nationalists need to figure out that experiences that people have and drug and alcohol abuse and poverty and biological predispositions couples with bad environments socially are the issue and as Christians reduce poverty, reduce racism, reduce social and economic isolation and demonstrate the hard work, love and acceptance and dedication and morality by working with people at risk for crime. You don't change crime by being exclusionary and punishing people because they believe in a God that you don't believe in, or by being from a culture you don't understand and whose language, history, or traditions are a mystery to your own. That is not how you solve a crime.
Yes, but that's not Christianity. That's humanism, which borrows a great deal from Christianity and doesn't give Christianity credit.
Tainari88 wrote:A lot of serial killers in the history of the USA were white, Christian, and American. Males too. Why not paint all of the ones who were white, Christian, American males as Ted Bundy types of killers
I suppose you could, but they are extreme outliers. So it's not as easy to classify serial killers since there are so few of them. I don't know of any serial killers that professed to be church going Christians. That seems to be something we see more among those with sexual dysfunctions that they sublimate onto religion.
So how are you going to incorporate people who believe in a vengeful God that is going to punish both the innocent and guilty in the manner of Sodom and Gomorrah for going against Biblical proscriptions like men having anal sex with each other into your socialist utopia? Or are you beginning to understand why it's not going to work?
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