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late wrote:That's White Supremacist talk, and batsh*t crazy.


BULLSHIT. The truth isn't racist. Even the United States Supreme Court recognized reverse discrimination and said it was wrong. You're talking like someone with a very low IQ. Great deflection. When people have to resort to name calling rather than reasonable civil discourse, it is just waving a flag of surrender. I accept your concession of defeat. Good bye.
#15181075
The Resister wrote:BULLSHIT. The truth isn't racist. Even the United States Supreme Court recognized reverse discrimination and said it was wrong. You're talking like someone with a very low IQ. Great deflection. When people have to resort to name calling rather than reasonable civil discourse, it is just waving a flag of surrender. I accept your concession of defeat. Good bye.

Irony, much? Lol.
#15181087
Potemkin wrote:Irony, much? Lol.


@Potemkin one of the major problems of our modern age is a collective as well as personal lack of self-reflection. And some, when faced with their contradictions and inner beliefs, react in a strongly negative and defensive manner. You know this of course, as we have discussed Faustian Man at some length in the past, you and I.
#15181089
annatar1914 wrote:@Potemkin one of the major problems of our modern age is a collective as well as personal lack of self-reflection. And some, when faced with their contradictions and inner beliefs, react in a strongly negative and defensive manner. You know this of course, as we have discussed Faustian Man at some length in the past, you and I.

Indeed, it's just that it's seldom this obvious. Lol.
#15181091
Potemkin wrote:Indeed, it's just that it's seldom this obvious. Lol.


@Potemkin , Lol, that is true. Although I had little pleasure in bringing it out, it's almost as if I had to test my hypothesis in this specific instance, as people deserve honesty.

Even if they appreciate it or not.
#15181093
The Resister wrote:
It's simply idiotic to give one race of people advantages over a period of 50 years to the point that their real agenda comes out: destroy the white people.



late wrote:
That's White Supremacist talk, and batsh*t crazy.



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I can't definitively decide if the political line is ideologically *intentional*, or not -- if *not*, then it's only *empirical*, and suffers from a limited context of just the last 50 years of civil-rights-type *reformist* measures in governmental policy, which is an empirical problem of *timeframe*.

If it *is* intentional, then it's *wantonly* only identifying a period of social *revolution*-type consciousness (for black power), to foment an intentionally *counterrevolutionary* line.


[2] G.U.T.S.U.C., Simplified

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#15181120
The Resister wrote:
BULLSHIT. The truth isn't racist. Even the United States Supreme Court recognized reverse discrimination and said it was wrong.



You said: "destroy the white people."

Arguing reverse discrimination is destruction is insane. Whites are 78% of the labor force, Blacks are 13%... Whites live longer.

Your reverse discrimination played a big role in creating the Black middle class. That is a good thing.

While it's possible you have Stockholm Syndrome, other possibilities seem more likely...

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/2018/home.htm
#15181136
The Resister wrote:I'm not on either side.

For someone not on either side, you sure like pushing Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda.

A favorite go-to of both The Order* and the Aryan Republican Army - two of the most significant US neo-Nazi groups - the term White genocide first appears in the modern era (1966) in White Power, the official newspaper of the American Nazi Party.

* Written by a White separatist, neo-Nazi ideologue, and convicted felon, a member of the terror organization The Order, David Lane's White Genocide Manifesto circulates widely in far-right communities. Guess what. If you were to read the link given, it would be like looking in a mirror...

You could have written it yourself.


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#15181137
The Resister wrote:I don't follow. Either the left believes racism is wrong or they don't. If it's reverse discrimination, if it's wrong, it's wrong. You're forgetting a small piece of the puzzle: I'm not on either side.

Of course you're not; you're actually in what Oswald Mosley called "the radical centre". Isn't that right, @The Resister? :)
#15181139
ckaihatsu wrote:---


I can't definitively decide if the political line is ideologically *intentional*, or not -- if *not*, then it's only *empirical*, and suffers from a limited context of just the last 50 years of civil-rights-type *reformist* measures in governmental policy, which is an empirical problem of *timeframe*.

If it *is* intentional, then it's *wantonly* only identifying a period of social *revolution*-type consciousness (for black power), to foment an intentionally *counterrevolutionary* line.


[2] G.U.T.S.U.C., Simplified

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Your post is pretty cryptic. I don't get much from it. Outside of The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man (over at http://www.usresisters.com) I don't have an agenda. I spent 15 years explaining to the morons that think Donald Trump is Jesus incarnate that his immigration policies were National Socialist talking points. The point was unequivocally proven time and time and time again. They seem to be oblivious to the facts.

When I made my first post here I was unaware of the fact that you had to have one of the identifiable political ideologies in order to be a poster here. I'm sorry, but I'm not in the aforementioned guesses over the last 24 pages of banter. You can't force me into any political organization; can't force me to adopt a manifesto; cannot legitimately identify me as being with any of the alleged groups. Maybe the focus should be on the topic rather than what group you want to associate me with. If there is a requirement in the rules stating that one must have a certain qualification (belong to a certain political train of thought), please post said rule and I will honor it. If not, we should try to discuss the OP or people should simply quit posting to or about me.
#15181140
ingliz wrote:For someone not on either side, you sure like pushing Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda.

A favorite of both The Order* and the Aryan Republican Army - two of the most significant US neo-Nazi groups - the term White genocide first appears in the modern era (1966) in White Power, the official newspaper of the American Nazi Party.

* Written by a White separatist, neo-Nazi ideologue, and convicted felon, a member of the terror organization The Order, David Lane's White Genocide Manifesto circulates widely in far-right communities. Guess what. If you were to read the link given, it would be like looking in a mirror...

You could have written it yourself.


:lol:


You seem to be hung up on white supremacists and know a lot about them. Were you one at some point? I thought I knew a few things, but you bring new things to the table. I never heard of an Aryan Republican Army. You seem to have a lot of contacts. Don't tell me. You used to be KKK. Right?

Contrary to your lies, the Order was not responsible for the book White Power. The book White Power was written by George Lincoln Rockwell, a former US Naval Commander who became disillusioned by the "conservatives" and started the American Nazi Party. Since you want to have this discussion, let's talk about it and get it the Hell out of the way.

I read Rockwell's book close to four decades ago. While I could empathize with some of his views about challenges facing white people, I am not now - nor have I ever been NOR WILL I EVER BE a National Socialist. As per my previous post, I just spent 15 years trying to tell the right and the Tea Party types how idiotic their immigration policy and now Trump's immigration policy (he co-opted it) is and that the people who pioneered the talking points and strategies of his policy are National Socialists. ALL of the top organizers of the so - called "Minutemen" were real National Socialists. So sir, I am NOT one and I think you know that. Yet you continue to post such crap. I realize you're like your boyfriend that exposed what he was, but to me you are the communist B.S. artist you claim to be. Probably somewhere along the way the KKK dumped you and now you're looking for revenge.

I was HIGHLY thought of by "conservatives" until I started exposing what I believe are inconsistencies in their ideology. So, they kicked me to the curb. I've already told you what I think about the left. Come back to the issue at hand. Having lost my job due to the hue of my skin and the perception by employers that they HAD to hire non-whites, you are now communicating with someone that has had experience with reverse discrimination. So, while the complaints and the observations may very well be what the nazis thrive on, I DO NOT BUY INTO THEIR PROPOSED SOLUTIONS. It's unfortunate that the klan or the nazis or whatever white racialist - supremacist group you hooked up with kicked your ass and sent you packing, but you are clearly barking up the wrong tree. I know what happened to me, but the people you call white supremacist cannot and do not speak for me. I believe in the response clearly outlined in The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man (usresisters.com) and that is where I make my stand. Your experiences with white supremacists may have lead you to extreme position you've taken now, but you cannot project that onto me.
#15181142
Potemkin wrote:Of course you're not; you're actually in what Oswald Mosley called "the radical centre". Isn't that right, @The Resister? :)


I certainly hope that I am not in the center of a damn thing. Again, can somebody refer me to the rule on this board that you must subscribe to a specific ideology in order to post here? If not, what in the Hell are you doing addressing me in that manner? Again, my agenda is clearly spelled out in The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man (usresisters.com) AND that document had its major input by an American whose parents were Korean (the man's father was in the military and given his citizenship for his service) and another contributor was a white guy that was married to a Mexican for over a decade. It's basically racially neutral, but all those people acknowledge the genocidal agenda that the BLM, antifa and those I referred to in earlier posts are pursuing.

So, again, what in the Hell does my personal view have to do with whether or not I'm qualified to post here? What, exactly, are YOUR qualifications?
#15181145
late wrote:You said: "destroy the white people."

Arguing reverse discrimination is destruction is insane. Whites are 78% of the labor force, Blacks are 13%... Whites live longer.

Your reverse discrimination played a big role in creating the Black middle class. That is a good thing.

While it's possible you have Stockholm Syndrome, other possibilities seem more likely...

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/2018/home.htm


Yes I said destroy white people. That is a fact. How many times do I have to repeat this or are you BLIND? The black leadership went after the Confederate flag; then they went after the statues, memorials, monuments and plaques. Then that was expanded to going after the statues of singers like Kate Smith and then the statues of Lewis and Clark ... and even Sacagawea. Now, they want to change the American flag; we've heard these extremists advocate for changing the National Anthem; they also want to put black people's face on the currency so as to erase any historical references to whites. The revisionist history known as Critical Race Theory is hate mongering on a national level.

Insofar as the workforce: IF you buy into statistics, 65 percent of the workforce is white:

https://www.fedweek.com/issue-briefs/de ... workforce-

summarized/#:~:text=The%20Federal%20Workforce%20is%2018.1%20percent%20Black%2C%208.4,whole%20constituted%2035.3%20percent%20of%20the%20Federal%20Workforce.

Of course those figures don't include those who work off book where there is no way to count them.

Currently 43 percent of welfare recipients are white:

https://fortunly.com/statistics/welfare-statistics/

Whites, if you believe the statistics are 72 percent of the population:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans

Less than HALF of U.S. children are white:

https://www.brookings.edu/research/less ... sus-shows/

If you want to prove a proposition, there are always credible (sic) statistics to draw from. So, wait. Whites are 72 percent of the population, hold 65 percent of the jobs, only take 43 percent of the welfare, and of those 15 and under the whites are less than half the country's population... let me think on that. In 1980 the whites were 80 percent of the country's population:

https://www.brookings.edu/research/new- ... t%201.8%25.

Now, let's throw in up to 10 million undocumented foreigners that aren't on the books.

Reality check: When I want a more accurate picture, I go to the Socialist Security office to see who is showing up. Go to the welfare offices. See who shows up. Hang out around state employment offices. Oh, that's right. You can't go there any longer due to Covid 19. What a crock! THAT is where I drew my conclusions from, NOT from statistics that you were already working to dispute.
#15181148
The Resister wrote:Don't tell me. You used to be KKK. Right?

I was a paid-up member of the International Socialists in the '70s when I was living in the UK. It didn't last long - ideological differences - but I did get one drunken sex-filled summer out of it as Northern District Youth Organiser, so it wasn't time entirely wasted.

I am now a paid-up member of the Malta Labour Party, a Mintoffian (we are a dying breed), have been for decades.

communist

Our colonial masters made membership of the Communist Party a criminal offense.

:lol:

Contrary to your lies, the Order was not responsible for the book White Power.

I never said it was.

The book

White Power is not a book in this instance; it's a newspaper. A publication of the National Socialist White Peoples Party, formerly the American Nazi Party.

I am NOT one and I think you know that.

I know no such thing.

If one quacks like a duck and associates with ducks, you are a duck in my book.
#15181194
The Resister wrote:
It's simply idiotic to give one race of people advantages over a period of 50 years to the point that their real agenda comes out: destroy the white people.



ckaihatsu wrote:
I can't definitively decide if the political line is ideologically *intentional*, or not -- if *not*, then it's only *empirical*, and suffers from a limited context of just the last 50 years of civil-rights-type *reformist* measures in governmental policy, which is an empirical problem of *timeframe*.

If it *is* intentional, then it's *wantonly* only identifying a period of social *revolution*-type consciousness (for black power), to foment an intentionally *counterrevolutionary* line.



The Resister wrote:
Your post is pretty cryptic. I don't get much from it. Outside of The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man (over at http://www.usresisters.com) I don't have an agenda. I spent 15 years explaining to the morons that think Donald Trump is Jesus incarnate that his immigration policies were National Socialist talking points. The point was unequivocally proven time and time and time again. They seem to be oblivious to the facts.

When I made my first post here I was unaware of the fact that you had to have one of the identifiable political ideologies in order to be a poster here. I'm sorry, but I'm not in the aforementioned guesses over the last 24 pages of banter. You can't force me into any political organization; can't force me to adopt a manifesto; cannot legitimately identify me as being with any of the alleged groups. Maybe the focus should be on the topic rather than what group you want to associate me with. If there is a requirement in the rules stating that one must have a certain qualification (belong to a certain political train of thought), please post said rule and I will honor it. If not, we should try to discuss the OP or people should simply quit posting to or about me.



Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt, may I ask why you happen to look at black history for only *50* years, and not for *400* years.
#15181213
Pants-of-dog wrote:It seems clear that chattel slavery was targeted almost exclusively at black people, and that even if some Irish or Indigenous people also suffered, it was not nearly at the same level of frequency and permanence.

More milquetoast beige words that mean as little as possible.

You are trying to put an abstract number on vague concepts that will somehow "prove" that your *feelings* mean something other than that you've been fed propaganda all your life.
#15181216
late wrote:Naw, that's what we call brain dead BS.


"We?" Sounds like you got a mouse in your pocket. I explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Four or five people on a discussion board is a Hell of a long way from "we" paleface. You hang here with a couple of hardcore half wits that have to show up here every day for their magic fix. Yeah, three guys pretend they're beating someone up and that is what gets you off. Funny thing is, you're getting your ass handed to you and I'm living in your head rent free. You've been contained.
#15181221
ckaihatsu wrote:Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt, may I ask why you happen to look at black history for only *50* years, and not for *400* years.


I lived the last 50 years. There is no point going back 400 years. Oh, I don't mind it, but I'm losing track of the posters. You see my family was in bondage for over 400 years. Presupposing that mainstream liberal blacks are right, THEY would have been the slave masters. Why stop with 400 years? Why not hold every race, color, creed, religion, etc. that has practiced slavery accountable? I'd say that 400 + years slavery of one people is just egregious as any case in history. That's part ONE.

Secondly, the whites didn't invent slavery. They were not the first in recorded history to practice it. However, in modern history it was white Americans (NOT British subjects) that were the first to end slavery.

Third point: Alexis de Tocqueville wrote:

"... there are but two alternatives for the future; the negroes and the whites must either wholly part or wholly mingle. I do not imagine that the white and black races will ever live in any country upon an equal footing. But I believe the difficulty to be still greater in the United States than elsewhere. An isolated individual may surmount the prejudices of religion, of his country, or of his race, and if this individual is a king he may effect surprising changes in society; but a whole people cannot rise, as it were, above itself. A despot who should subject the Americans and their former slaves to the same yoke, might perhaps succeed in commingling their races; but as long as the American democracy remains at the head of affairs, no one will undertake so difficult a task; and it may be foreseen that the freer the white population of the United States becomes, the more isolated will it remain" (Democracy in America - 1831)

Consequently, in order to maintain forced equality, the white people are not free in their own country. Instead, they are victims of a subtle genocide. Again, I defer to de Tocqueville:

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

That truth, observed upward of 200 years ago, has been proven true since the Democrats have become Democratic Socialists and everything in between from Progressives to Communists wearing the Democrat label.

Along those lines, de Tocqueville made another observation that has proven true:

“Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.”

That summarizes up my view of the current time

Finally, the black leadership is dismantling the history and all vestiges of white culture (proof given multiple times on this thread) AND they seek reparations. The problem is, any defendant (from the families who owned slaves to government officials) that could be sued was buried many years ago. If the black leadership wants to sue the government, they are suing all races and cultures. The only real objective is to eliminate the white race. I look back 50 years because that is about as far back as you could possibly hold me accountable. HOWEVER, if you want to relive ancient history then let's go all the way back. And if you want to buy extremist black revisionist history, then give the blacks reparations and we can deduct that for all the slaves they held throughout history. You can't hold Americans responsible for the actions of King George. You can only hold Americans accountable for a maximum of 99 years (and then not in all states can you go back that far).

Blacks either have to rise above the excuses and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, look to their leadership, and become self sufficient, self reliant, and independent. If they want to wage a war of genocide and eliminate the whites, the whites will either have to fight back or face total genocide... and it is the liberal, left wing, Progressive, Democratic, Democratic Socialist, Socialist, and Communist combine of self hating whites that are leading the charge to incite a possible civil war.
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