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#15197919
Rich wrote:

Cultural Marxist.



The rare example of you saying something that is true; it is in the service of your bigotry and power lust.

What's more, you know that most of what you say is brain dead crap, unless, of course, you are brain dead.

You should be a poster child for why we shouldn't avoid Cognitive Dissonance...
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late wrote:
There is always an argument going on among lawyers. A lot of countries have eliminated jury trials, because they are erratic. Some have them just for capital cases.

In an emotionally charged case like this, justice will usually be better served with a judge; rather than a jury.

FYI, there are good counterarguments.




Juries have greatly changed in recent decades, as the term "impartial jury" in the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution requires that the pool of jurors must include all races, ethnic groups, and women as well as men in percentages relative to the general population. Any failure to achieve that balance, or systematic challenges to those of the same ethnicity of the accused, may result in a claim on appeal that the jury was not fair---in popular jargon, not "a jury of one's peers."



https://legal-dictionary.thefreediction ... y+of+peers
#15197921
Rich wrote:
:lol: yes Asian infidels seem likely to cause increasing problems for American Cultural Marxists. Already many Asian Americans have been saying, Jews refused to accept race quotas for Jews why should we have race quotas.

Many Asian infidels just simply refuse to accept White guilt. Now I know this can be a bit confusing if you haven't put yourself inside the mind of the Cultural Marxist. "But I thought Asian people weren't White? (even if they often have lighter skin colour than many Europeans) Why should they feel White guilt if their not White?" Well it depends. Cultural Marxism is thoroughly racist, but its Cultural racist and to a much less extent class racist, but its not really morphologically racist. This means that a blue eyed Tajik Muslim can be considered symbolically more Black than a South Sudanese Christian or Pagan. This is the same logic that led to the Tutsis being genocided for being "White", although Tutsis don't look particularly White to the untrained eye. :)



Strawman. Name *one* organization or group that's 'American Cultural Marxist'. You're just using the contrived term as a denigration / slur, against a phantom, undefined demographic.

Who exactly are these supposed racist American Cultural Marxists -- ?
#15197923
ckaihatsu wrote:



Juries have changed.



late wrote:
Yes, but that doesn't speak to the issue at hand.




Trial by a Jury of One's Peers Law and Legal Definition

Trial by a jury of one's peers refers to a trial upon competent legal testimony. A fair and impartial trial by a jury of one's peers is a sacred right guaranteed to every citizen under the laws. A citizen's right to a trial by a jury of one's peers in a criminal prosecution is guaranteed by the sixth amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

The right is extended to the states by the fourteenth amendment.

”In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law.” [USCS Const. Amend. 6].



https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/trial ... ones-peers
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#15197924
ckaihatsu wrote:

Precedent..




Laws, and Constitutions, can change.

This is an actual debate, with pros and cons on both sides. I will assume, at this juncture, you favor juries. I'd like to see judicial reform, and this is quite involved. One reform might be to establish review boards that would determine if a particular case would be better served by judge or jury. Another possible reform is creating classes of judges. For example, there are very few judges competent to try to sophisticated business cases, esp. ones that hinge on highly technical issues. And another would be to apply the same ethical restrictions judges have to adhere to; to the Supreme Court.

There's lots to talk about, if you can..
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late wrote:
Laws, and Constitutions, can change.

This is an actual debate, with pros and cons on both sides. I will assume, at this juncture, you favor juries. I'd like to see judicial reform, and this is quite involved. One reform might be to establish review boards that would determine if a particular case would be better served by judge or jury. Another possible reform is creating classes of judges. For example, there are very few judges competent to try to sophisticated business cases, esp. ones that hinge on highly technical issues. And another would be to apply the same ethical restrictions judges have to adhere to; to the Supreme Court.

There's lots to talk about, if you can..



What's your schedule next week look like -- ?


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#15197929
colliric wrote:Rioters can destroy business properties, which in turn can cause severe financial trauma or damage,


You realize he went there to defend a car dealership, right? The noblest of professions: high pressure sales.

And what were they rioting over? Something as insignificant and inconsequential as the systemic approval of the police to murder black people without consequence. Something Rittenhouse thought was worth defending with an assault rifle, and which the rightwing is praying he gets off for because they too want approval to bring out the guns and murder their political enemies in the streets.

Lets not forget that Qanon, the murderous cult that Trump knowingly egged on, was formed around the idea of someday murdering all Democrats and anyone who even vaguely opposed Trump in nationally televised executions. And Qanon is essentially the streamlined version of rightwing American thought: paranoiac thinking with no political goal to improve the material conditions of anyone premised entirely on the destruction of the "other."

ckaihatsu wrote:Why are you defending vigilantism?

Kenosha would have been better off that night if Rittenhouse had never left Antioch.


Because colliric will defend fascism even if he's too cowardly to admit it to himself. This is the same guy who claimed that he loved democracy enough to volunteer in an election, but maybe we should just have given the 2020 election to Trump because gosh darn it he spent so much time lying about it.
#15197931
SpecialOlympian wrote:He's in "rooftop Korean" mode except he drove to the LA riots from Nevada to defend a Tesla dealership in the Century City mall lol.

That's how we know he's a true American patriot, he was willing to defend property over life :')
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#15197932
colliric wrote:The question is does it constitute murder to go knowingly into a dangerous situation with a fully loaded firearm and then have to "defend yourself".


Yes, he had no reason to go there except to get into that situation.

colliric wrote:I mean if Rittenhouse is found guilty that means under the new precedent the Roof Koreans probably would have been "guilty" with murder too if they had of killed someone during the famous gunfights back in the Rodney King riots.


Not at all. They were defending their businesses and lived there, in Koreatown. They did not come from another state to fight rioters.
#15197934
ckaihatsu wrote:
Why are you defending vigilantism?

Kenosha would have been better off that night if Rittenhouse had never left Antioch.



SpecialOlympian wrote:
Because colliric will defend fascism even if he's too cowardly to admit it to himself. This is the same guy who claimed that he loved democracy enough to volunteer in an election, but maybe we should just have given the 2020 election to Trump because gosh darn it he spent so much time lying about it.



I've heard it said that to many, politics is basically second-tier celebrity culture.

From a strictly *political* perspective it looks like insanity -- because it's too-caught-up with 'personnel', so-to-speak, over the issues themselves.

We're now seeing the slippery-slope dump "left"-ists / Democrats rightward *dramatically*, all the way over to fascism. All eyes on *this* case -- !


Leftism -- Want, Get

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#15197944
SpecialOlympian wrote:
I think you'll like this ckaihatsu.

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That only works if Obamacare and Covid relief checks are Right wing.

So when did Republicans stop being the party of sociopaths?
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late wrote:
That only works if Obamacare and Covid relief checks are Right wing.

So when did Republicans stop being the party of sociopaths?



Scrapped / scraped your way to the top, late -- ? How's the air up there?


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