[wat0n]

If so, then just nominate the black woman and say she's a qualified candidate, and because she actually is a qualified candidate and not another reason.

[Rugoz]

If so, then just nominate the black woman and say she's a qualified candidate, and because she actually is a qualified candidate and not another reason.

Why? Would anyone believe it?

[wat0n]

Why? For starters, because in pretty much any other context it's illegal to hire to fulfill quotas of some sort.

But more importantly, because saying so from the get go will forever leave her as a diversity justice and implies she'd not be named justice had her not being black or a "her".

[Rugoz]

Why? For starters, because in pretty much any other context it's illegal to hire to fulfill quotas of some sort.

But more importantly, because saying so from the get go will forever leave her as a diversity justice and implies she'd not be named justice had her not being black or a "her".

So what? For some reason you cling to this meritocratic supreme court nonsense.

Here's where affirmative action is actually wrong: At universities.

[wat0n]

One of the sources of legitimacy of any highest court is precisely that the justices are top jurists and not just chosen because of political reasons or some quota. Again, even the first SCOTUS had some of the top jurists of its time.

That appointments are political are not something new at all - after all, they are nominated and confirmed by politicians -, but the above is something that's widely expected by the public.

[Godstud]

If they wanted to pick a SCOTUS properly without politicization, they'd just get a pool of qualified people and randomly pick one from that list.

[Beren]

Here's where affirmative action is actually wrong: At universities.

Affirmative action isn't wrong because some historic deformities of US society have to be dealt with somehow, it's just Biden's stupid opportunism and arrogance that is wrong.

[Rugoz]

One of the sources of legitimacy of any highest court is precisely that the justices are top jurists and not just chosen because of political reasons or some quota. Again, even the first SCOTUS had some of the top jurists of its time.

That appointments are political are not something new at all - after all, they are nominated and confirmed by politicians -, but the above is something that's widely expected by the public.

Let's say you have a 1000 "top jurists" in the US (whatever that means). So you cannot pick the black woman out of those and explicitly say it's to fulfill some quota and/or because of her political views?

Because obviously that's the truth and everybody with half a brain knows it.

[Rugoz]

Affirmative action isn't wrong because some historic deformities of US society have to be dealt with somehow, it's just Biden's stupid opportunism and arrogance that is wrong.

It is wrong because politics should play no role at universities. Regardless of what happened in the past.

[Beren]

It is wrong because politics should play no role at universities. Regardless of what happened in the past.

What happened in the past actually determines the present and the future, and universities are also not some ivory towers but important social institutions.

[wat0n]

Let's say you have a 1000 "top jurists" in the US (whatever that means). So you cannot pick the black woman out of those and explicitly say it's to fulfill some quota and/or because of her political views?

Because obviously that's the truth and everybody with half a brain knows it.

First you say you'll pick one of the 1000, actually, then you pick her without making any reference to her identity classes and instead justify it based on her career so when in the future she's accused of being a diversity justice she'll be able to say that's not why the POTUS her. Even better, pick her precisely because of her career which is also something that will be taken into consideration I'm sure. After all, the current black SCOTUS justice is not a guy progressives are particularly fond off and what Biden and the Democrats truly care about is getting a justice who's ideologically aligned with them, and that's something that can be inferred from the candidate's career.

[Rugoz]

First you say you'll pick one of the 1000, actually, then you pick her without making any reference to her identity classes and instead justify it based on her career so when in the future she's accused of being a diversity justice she'll be able to say that's not why the POTUS her.

Which is a lie.

[wat0n]

Which is a lie.

Not really. Unless you believe Biden will pick a black woman who also happens to be a conservative like Clarence Thomas.

[Rugoz]

Not really. Unless you believe Biden will pick a black woman who also happens to be a conservative like Clarence Thomas.

You mean she's not only a diversity justice but a diversity justice AND a political justice.

That's much better.

[Istanbuller]

Americans are so much obsessed with race. If people think that the supreme court should reflect the population, then next justice must be a Hispanic person. Hispanics are the fastest growing racial group in America.

[Istanbuller]

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

There is already a black member of the court. Africans Americans account for %12 of the US population. They are already represented at same rate as their share in total population. Next justice must be a Hispanic man.

[Rugoz]

You mean she's not only a diversity justice but a diversity justice AND a political justice.

Besides, I don't think the two are distinct. It's different (i.e. non-modern) understanding of representation.

[Rugoz]

Americans are so much obsessed with race. If people think that the supreme court should reflect the population, then next justice must be a Hispanic person. Hispanics are the fastest growing racial group in America.

Sonia Sotomayor is hispanic.

[Istanbuller]

Sonia Sotomayor is hispanic.

There should be two Hispanics in the court. There is already a woman. So there should be a man.

[wat0n]

You mean she's not only a diversity justice but a diversity justice AND a political justice.

That's much better.

Okay, then Biden should pick an illiterate black woman. Bet she'll enjoy the post

And yes, it's of course political - they are nominated by the POTUS and confirmed by the Senate. Everyone knows that.