[wat0n]

My list of caudillos, past and present, would include Fidel Castro (Cuba), Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic), Juan Perón (Argentina), Hugo Chávez (Venezuela), Manuel Noriega (Panama), Nicolas Maduro (Venezuela), Daniel Ortega (Nicaragua), and Jair Bolsonaro, the “Trump” of Brazil.

Well, Europe has its own list, the two Napoleons (France), Mussolini (Italy), Hitler (Germany), Francisco Franco (Spain), Stalin (USSR), Tito (Yugoslavia), etc... They all, along with their copycats, fit the bill. Honorable mention to the arch-caudillo, Napoleon, who inspired all the early Latin American caudillos like Bolívar.

The US also had its caudillo wannabees like Trump, Huey Long, even Andrew Jackson. But the US has managed to put them on a leash due to how its federalism is structured, unlike the Latin American examples you mentioned and the European ones above. Other European countries also managed to stop possible caudillos in their tracks, like the UK and Switzerland.

[Igor Antunov]

Well, Europe has its own list, the two Napoleons (France), Mussolini (Italy), Hitler (Germany), Francisco Franco (Spain), Stalin (USSR), Tito (Yugoslavia), etc... They all, along with their copycats, fit the bill. Honorable mention to the arch-caudillo, Napoleon, who inspired all the early Latin American caudillos like Bolívar.

The US also had its caudillo wannabees like Trump, Huey Long, even Andrew Jackson. But the US has managed to put them on a leash due to how its federalism is structured, unlike the Latin American examples you mentioned and the European ones above. Other European countries also managed to stop possible caudillos in their tracks, like the UK and Switzerland.

The fuck did Tito ever do? Blair and Bush have more blood on their hands you muppet. Tito was loved universally until the day he died.

muh 'dicktaters', gtfo son.

[Tainari88]

Ok @Robert Urbanek but my point is that things are not what they appear to be in the media. Real history and real life are not really stereotyped Roberto. Nothing concerning humans is kind of simplistic. If you get into it? It is hard work learning about what makes political history what it is. In al nations.

[ingliz]

America

In a 1962 edition of Scientific American, the ecologist John B Calhoun presented the results of a macabre series of experiments conducted at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). He had placed several rats in a laboratory in a converted barn where – protected from disease and predation and supplied with food, water and bedding – they bred rapidly. The one thing they were lacking was space, a fact that became increasingly problematic as what he liked to describe as his “rat city” and “rodent utopia” teemed with animals. Unwanted social contact occurred with increasing frequency, leading to increased stress and aggression. Following the work of the physiologist, Hans Selye, it seemed that the adrenal system offered the standard binary solution: fight or flight. But in the sealed enclosure, flight was impossible. Violence quickly spiralled out of control. Cannibalism and infanticide followed. Males became hypersexual, pansexual and, an increasing proportion, homosexual. Calhoun called this vortex “a behavioural sink”. Their numbers fell into terminal decline and the population tailed off to extinction. At the experiments’ end, the only animals still alive had survived at an immense psychological cost: asexual and utterly withdrawn, they clustered in a vacant huddled mass. Even when reintroduced to normal rodent communities, these “socially autistic” animals remained isolated until death.

— Edmund Ramsden, The urban animal: population density and social pathology in rodents and humans Bulletin of the World Health Organisation. 2009 Feb; 87(2): 82.

[Truth To Power]

@Truth To Power yes. Easily among the most democratic at the time, by the way, and it allowed to extend the franchise sooner than in most countries as well.

The American Founders were effectively British, and it was Britain that was a model of democracy at the time. Everywhere else, it was monarchy, feudalism, or something even more primitive. The Founders learned the principles of democracy from Britain, and yes, eventually took it further. But American democracy was contaminated with plutocracy from the start, and it has only got worse since the Civil War. Google "General Smedley Butler" and start reading.

[JohnRawls]

@Scamp
Did you hear the reasons why they are trying to get to the USA? Their home nations are not livable. Why? Most of the nations the caravan people are from are Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. Most of those nations' economies were destroyed by the need the US had for bananas, and for controlling that region so they could have the Panama canal zone and make sure they secure US profits and military interests. They destroy the economy with bad interventions. No one can make a living and live in peace in their own countries. Due to the US gov't need to dominate the entire world.

The US better wake up and smell the coffee. Most of the world can't walk to the border. But the Mexicans and the Central Americans can. Kamala Harris wanted to do a summit of the Americas to help out the issue of poverty, lack of jobs, crime, and instability in Central America. But the US government wanted to play the dictator again and exclude some of the nations because they don't approve of their politics. It is time to be mature, stop playing games in these nations, and discuss solutions.

Do you want every nation with poverty and crime to make a beeline to the USA? Then make sure you have solutions to propose to the nations in close proximity to your part of the world enough jobs, living wages, and great criminal justice systems to PREVENT the damn caravan in the first place.

It is not my problem you say? It is. Look at them? Where are they headed? They are going to America. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, and they will arrive at the Golden shore...or whatever...but the USA can't even handle its own poor people in Appalachia and Chicago ghettos and yet the propaganda the USA government does with Hollywood myths of everyone lives in Beverly Hills 90210 area code is having this kind of effect.

Scamp if you want these people to go away? 1. Learn to speak Spanish. 2. Get on a loudspeaker. 3. Tell them that if they go to the US unless they got a Ph.D. in computer science and speak English and are super-wealthy and willing to invest in the USA open a business and hire Americans and have 1 million dollars in their bank accounts? They are not going to be welcome. 4. Talk to the presidents of the countries these people are fleeing from and ask them tough questions like "Why the hell are these people leaving your country?" Most of them are going to tell you, "part of the reason is because every time we try to implement a policy that favors us over US corporations and US interests in the region? You guys say no way blow jay. You bully us and keep us from progressing. You then reply, "That is not true." They say, here is the stats and the historical documents. Do something about it. You then say, "I don't believe it." 5. Put your money where your mouth is and if you don't do it where they live....you will wind up spending more when they get to the USA. With detention centers and paying interpreters like me $75 dollars an hour from a federal fund program to communicate legally with the caravan folks and immigration lawyers and border patrol and judges and backlogged asylum seeker applications. MONEY. SPENT. Processing this group. Why? Because you thought interfering in other nations is a cheap way to control the profits from afar. For bananas, coffee, land, access, money laundering, drug routes, and etc. all the stuff you Americans need so badly that it is worth impoverishing other nations and holding them back economically. It is cooperate like brothers? Or die in constant wars like enemies. It is your choice.

Scamp still has a point though. It is people from Latin America and Central America that move to US in mass and not the other way around. So US doesn't suck at everything and does a lot of things a lot better than others. Simply blaming it on some kind of imperealism is stupid since a lot of time has passed since it happened.

Not saying that US has no problems but it is definately one of the best places in the world to live in.

[Tainari88]

@JohnRawls my point is that the USA can not take on all of the world's poor and the world's suffering people in every nation in the world. It is not realistic. The solution is creating sustainable economies in these nations like Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador. You can't do that by interfering and setting up puppet dictatorships because the puppets don't care about their own people's problems and don't look out for their own population. They are inherently selfish, elitist and fairly uninterested in improving anything. They are corrupt because they are given power precisely to give over the nation's wealth to foreigners. Not to actually become prosperous nations with educated people in their own right.

The USA policy in Latin America over centuries now has been damaging. Sit back and reflect on the results? Caravans of poor people so desperate for a job and shelter and food and medicine that they go to the border. The Mexicans in the bordertowns don't want them there. Why? The American Dream they think exists for them does not exist. That is precisely what the Mexican Tijuanans say on TV. 'No existe'. It does not exist.

Why believe in myth? They watch TV. They get bombarded with ideas of just get in that nation and all is fixed.

Unlike you John Rawls I actually have lived in the USA since 1971 on and off until 2019. I have dealt with poor Latin American communities and migrants. Do they become rich and successful in high percentages to justify a thousands upon thousands caravan of people?

I can answer that. NO. It does not. What is the answer? Staying put in your own country and making it better by policies that work.

How? Number one don't fucking interfere in some other nations free and fair elections because the guy or woman the citizens of that nation choose don't agree to let you take their natural resources for free. Or for pennies. Don't send in the jackals that TTP mentions in Superimperialism and in Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Don't believe in racism. Don't believe in thinking poverty is the result of culture. Latin American culture is inferior. It is not. It is in fact beautiful and resilient and creative and strong in every way.

The question is about power. How rich nations use their wealth and power via either military force or money via sanctions on a nation that doesn't obey. The USA uses it to punish the ones who don't allow the corruption, the imposition or the force to sway their political structures. You either give in or WE COLLAPSE YOU.

That is not democracy. It is coercion. And as such it will never make things better. Ever. Change the behavior of those who hold power and you change everything. Don't change the policy or the behavior of those who hold power? There is no real change.

It really is that simple.

[wat0n]

Why is it the US' responsibility to solve our political and socioeconomic problems?

[Tainari88]

Why is it the US' responsibility to solve our political and socioeconomic problems?

Study history Wat0n. Superpowers and Empires have to meddle in everybody's business. Otherwise the economy of global international capital doesn't grow and doesn't expand. You got stagnant investment. What does that mean? It doesn't grow. Study the history of banking in Mexico, Chile, Argentina and many other nations in Latin America. It is about extracting and not investing properly. Who owned the copper mines in Chile? A private corporation. Who tried to make them pay more taxes or help in build up the country?

Study the economics in your own country Wat0n. Instead of finding excuses that don't exist.

If a bank sucks up all your money and overcharges you fees and creates predatory lending and it means you are struggling financially? Who are you going to blame? Yourself?

Wake up Wat0n. The reason a lot of these wealthy nations are wealthy is not because they are highly democratic or because they care about the other groups they rip off? It is because they abuse power. Financial power, military power, sanctions, restrictions, forcing their WILL on the nations who don't have those resources to manipulate.

It is the reason you deposit into a CD savings and you barely get 1.2% and the bank lends out loans to people on a credit card and the interest rate is a lot higher than savings. 18% and above. Why? BECAUSE THEY CAN AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS THE MONEY.

Do you understand how capitalism works in the world? If you abuse the less powerful that is how you get rich.

Why buy slaves in the Southern states in the 1800s? Because you can make more money exploiting the slave than paying them via a capitalist system. Period. If you don't pay the slave you make money off of their productive value. It is an economic system.

Latin America is in debt to the IMF. Why?

Figure it out.

When they try to find solutions that are freeing themselves from predatory capitalism who interferes?

You want to believe in what Wat0n? That superpowers become superpowers by being ultra nice guys?

Sorry to inform you that is not reality. It is not.


https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat ... f-23757070

[wat0n]

@Tainari88 none of that justifies blaming others for your own incompetence.

Plenty of Latin American countries actually chose to blindly rely on foreign investment, without trying to use it as an opportunity to build their domestic R&D environment (like South Korea did, for example). Even when private businesses were nationalized, governments did not really manage them well for the most part and they were often used as employment agencies for their clientelistic networks first, revenue sources second. Some still use them for that. Is the US responsible for that too?

The US South was also keen on employing a similar strategy, until they were delusional enough to start a war to secede from the Union. The North OTOH did not and, as it turns out, it was and still is richer than the South.

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88 none of that justifies blaming others for your own incompetence.

Plenty of Latin American countries actually chose to blindly rely on foreign investment, without trying to use it as an opportunity to build their domestic R&D environment (like South Korea did, for example). Even when private businesses were nationalized, governments did not really manage them well for the most part and they were often used as employment agencies for their clientelistic networks first, revenue sources second. Some still use them for that. Is the US responsible for that too?

The US South was also keen on employing a similar strategy, until they were delusional enough to start a war to secede from the Union. The North OTOH did not and, as it turns out, it was and still is richer than the South.

Look, it is very patently obvious why Chile was interfered with. They released the papers. The sooner you accept that the better off you will be. They interfered because they are competing ideologies and they want to make sure only one is the one that survives. Period.

I have to be honest with you Wat0n once you admitted you did not care about Latin America or its problems and you are from Latin America? What is it that I had to conclude?

No te importa nadie menos tus propias ambiciones. No te importa si los estadounidenses que son políticos sean unos corruptos, u immorales. Lo importante es que tienen el poder que tu admiras. El más chingón es el que pone las reglas. Así que el más chingón es el que yo respaldo. Ese eres tú Wat0n. Pero yo no soy así. Yo pienso que porque tienes el dinero y las armas y el fusil no significa que tienes la razón. No, la tendrás.

Para mi? Ya te revelastes.

Sigue ahí con la novia de izquierda--quizás te dará un poquito de conciencia chico.

Eres una persona muy oportunista y que el valor central es panzismo. Punto y se acabo. ¿Cómo lo llaman los mexicanos eso? O, si....barbero.

[wat0n]

Look, it is very patently obvious why Chile was interfered with. They released the papers. The sooner you accept that the better off you will be. They interfered because they are competing ideologies and they want to make sure only one is the one that survives. Period.

Yes, and the papers also show Allende fell due to his own incompetence and irresponsibility. Nobody forced him and the UP to print money to stimulate the economy for short term political gain, neither were they forced to nationalize all sorts of businesses and then mismanage them. The figures don't lie here, and even the Americans were surprised by how quickly the whole thing collapsed.

I have to be honest with you Wat0n once you admitted you did not care about Latin America or its problems and you are from Latin America? What is it that I had to conclude?

Oh yes I am from Latin America, which is why I can tell what all its flaws are.

No te importa nadie menos tus propias ambiciones. No te importa si los estadounidenses que son políticos sean unos corruptos, u immorales. Lo importante es que tienen el poder que tu admiras. El más chingón es el que pone las reglas. Así que el más chingón es el que yo respaldo. Ese eres tú Wat0n. Pero yo no soy así. Yo pienso que porque tienes el dinero y las armas y el fusil no significa que tienes la razón. No, la tendrás.

Para mi? Ya te revelastes.

Sigue ahí con la novia de izquierda--quizás te dará un poquito de conciencia chico.

Eres una persona muy oportunista y que el valor central es panzismo. Punto y se acabo. ¿Cómo lo llaman los mexicanos eso? O, si....barbero.

Oportunismo es querer confiscar la inversión extranjera en tu país para que el estado use esos fondos como caja para pagarte a ti, y así parasitar de él. Y cuando fracasas, después le echas la culpa al gringo en vez de mirarte al espejo. Eso es verdaderamente rendirle culto al poder y los políticos, esperando a que te tiren las sobras en vez de surgir por tu cuenta.

O, por dar un ejemplo, me dirás tú cómo es que se mantienen aberraciones como esta, en uno de los grandes ejemplos a seguir para los socialistas latinoamericanos, pagadas por el contribuyente, especialmente los que ni siquiera van a la universidad, y los recursos naturales:

https://www.24-horas.mx/2022/05/22/estu ... graduarse/

Me vas a decir que este tipo de aberración sería aceptada en EEUU? Algo hacen bien dado que este tipo de cosas no pasan en las universidades de este país.

EEUU podrá tener políticos corruptos e inmorales pero no se acercan a los de Latinoamérica, ni por si acaso.

In English:

Opportunism is wanting to confiscate foreign investment in your country to use it as a cash cow and get entitlements, and thus leech from it. And when you fail, you blame the gringo instead of looking at yourself in the mirror. That is truly having a cult for the powerful and the politicians, hoping to get some scraps instead of progressing on your own.

Or, to provide you with an example, you tell me how is it that aberrations like the following, in one of the great examples to follow for Latin American socialists, funded by the taxpayer, especially those who don't go to college, and the country's natural resources:

https://www.24-horas.mx/2022/05/22/estu ... graduarse/

*Report is about a top undergraduate student union leader in Bolivia, who's 52 years old and has been a student for 33 years, attempted and failed to finish several degrees and 100+ university courses and who's making $3,000 a month - in one of the poorest Latin American countries, earning more than many American PhD students attending top schools.

Are you going to claim this type of aberration would be acceptable in the US? They are doing something well at least given this type of thing does not happen in this country's universities.

The US may have corrupt and immoral politicians, but they don't come close to Latin American ones. By a long shot.

[JohnRawls]

@JohnRawls my point is that the USA can not take on all of the world's poor and the world's suffering people in every nation in the world. It is not realistic. The solution is creating sustainable economies in these nations like Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador. You can't do that by interfering and setting up puppet dictatorships because the puppets don't care about their own people's problems and don't look out for their own population. They are inherently selfish, elitist and fairly uninterested in improving anything. They are corrupt because they are given power precisely to give over the nation's wealth to foreigners. Not to actually become prosperous nations with educated people in their own right.

The USA policy in Latin America over centuries now has been damaging. Sit back and reflect on the results? Caravans of poor people so desperate for a job and shelter and food and medicine that they go to the border. The Mexicans in the bordertowns don't want them there. Why? The American Dream they think exists for them does not exist. That is precisely what the Mexican Tijuanans say on TV. 'No existe'. It does not exist.

Why believe in myth? They watch TV. They get bombarded with ideas of just get in that nation and all is fixed.

Unlike you John Rawls I actually have lived in the USA since 1971 on and off until 2019. I have dealt with poor Latin American communities and migrants. Do they become rich and successful in high percentages to justify a thousands upon thousands caravan of people?

I can answer that. NO. It does not. What is the answer? Staying put in your own country and making it better by policies that work.

How? Number one don't fucking interfere in some other nations free and fair elections because the guy or woman the citizens of that nation choose don't agree to let you take their natural resources for free. Or for pennies. Don't send in the jackals that TTP mentions in Superimperialism and in Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Don't believe in racism. Don't believe in thinking poverty is the result of culture. Latin American culture is inferior. It is not. It is in fact beautiful and resilient and creative and strong in every way.

The question is about power. How rich nations use their wealth and power via either military force or money via sanctions on a nation that doesn't obey. The USA uses it to punish the ones who don't allow the corruption, the imposition or the force to sway their political structures. You either give in or WE COLLAPSE YOU.

That is not democracy. It is coercion. And as such it will never make things better. Ever. Change the behavior of those who hold power and you change everything. Don't change the policy or the behavior of those who hold power? There is no real change.

It really is that simple.

I get it what you mean but your trying to blame all of central and latin american problems on America. This is not the case for a long time now. Yeah you don't like that America uses central America or south America as a sort of cheap labour force to manufacture things without investing in other thing in the region but so is the case for all countries in the world sadly. It is not like the European do anything different in this regard to African, Middle eastern or Asian countries.

The problem here is that there is no single way to make a society prosperous first. The established line to success is to be a manufacturer for the rich countries and then leverage that manufacturing to invest in to local R&D, Welfare and so on which American countries seem to not want to do. If you look at history of Japan, Korea and even Eastern European states we didn't start wealthier at our worst times compared to American states but over time we overcame the problems by following this path. In 1991 Estonia had a gdp per capita fold lower than most Central or South American countries and nowadays we are higher than all of them even Chili i think as an example.

So blaming US on the failings of the American states themselves is just bad policy which kinda implies that those local states don't need to improve themselves.

The main idea though that US or Europe can't handle all of the worlds poor is correct in my opinion. This shouldn't even be the case and I think that both US and Europe would agree that it would be far better for all that all countries are competent and prosperous so we wouldn't need to deal with other countries problems but the real world is what it is sadly.

As for the American dream not existing, I do not accept this notion. There are plenty of studies that show how long it takes ON AVERAGE for a poor person to move to the middle class. And by statistics Central and Latin america are super bad compared to the rest of the world. There are studies for OECD countries. Note since they are OECD countries then others outside are way way worse due to their lower economic development usually or other problems. The OECD stands like this right now:



So if you notice, America is significantly better in this regard compared to the most prosperous states in America. The leaders are Europeans countries in mass besides perhaps a few but we are also suffering the same immigrational problem as the US just from other places. The reason is basically the same: both US and Europe are significantly better at social mobility compared to any of its close neighbours.

[Tainari88]

@JohnRawls I do like this opinion of yours. It has more depth than others. Still, the USA is incredibly responsible for the stagnation of many of the little islands and nations of the Americas John.

Puerto Rico was invaded in 1898. The US gov't appointed a US military dictator for 50 years 1898-1948. Limited self government after that because once WWII finished the decolonization committee pressured the US government to give proof of some form of self determination for the island. They came up with the commonwealth.

The EU is a much older group of nations that have a long and blood filled history of internal disputes. The US got its power and wealth from invading pristine lands and exploiting them with a group of people who were immigrants and of the European lower classes. It is a different history.

It is a very painful and unbalanced relationship between the US and the rest of Latin America. It is not balanced, not healthy and not just in the least. Anyone who delves into it has to realize that becoming an imperial superpower is not a history of being just. It is about cutting off heads with no compassion. Invasions are about force, war and blood that runs like huge rivers of death for centuries to get the power to even think you can take over the whole world. Only bloodthirsty nations think that way. It does not matter if it was the Russian Tsars, the Chinese Dynasties, the Shoguns of Japan, the Ottomans, the Romans, the Monarchies of France, England, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc. It is about POWER and that means cutting the damn heads off.

It is not about justice. Period. It is human. But the worst side of humanity. We can't afford nuclear war, nuclear winter and not investing in human societies and letting the world go to SHIT. It is too urgent for arrogance to rule the world. That stuff has to end. No more Tsars like Putin wanting Estonia and the others to be under their boots. That shit has to stop. All of it. All of the thinking behind might is right. It never has been right. The USA had the chance to abandon imperialism in the 19th century. They chose the wrong path. A long time ago. Everyone has to pay for the bad choices. That is life.

[wat0n]

So @Tainari88 will you explain to us what does the US have to do with political operatives being paid by the establishment to take control of students unions like the case of that 52 years old scumbag who's been doing it for 33 years and counting in Bolivia I cited earlier?

[Tainari88]

@wat0n

There are scumbags in every country on Earth. I am an anthropologist Wat0n and see human failings in all human societies. Because we are dealing with the same species in different cultures. This means that in order to understand societies in which there are more wealthy people versus poor people we need to study the circumstances of poverty versus wealth. In order to understand wealth versus poverty in the same species, we need to understand deeply the limitations placed on access to power, credit, to systemic advantages or disadvantages. There are wealthy people in Europe and poor people in Europe, both of the same genetic and racial characteristics. The same for Africa, Asia, and Latin America. So? I discard the idea of race or culture being the reason someone is poor. You got people who are born middle class or working class and become millionaires and billionaires and people who are born middle class or wealthy and become poor in one lifetime. This means that the core of the issue becomes having access to money and systems. Not culture and not a race. If you want to think that it is a system in Latin America that makes the nation poor Wat0n? I agree it is the system. Which system is the predominant one for centuries now? Capitalism but underdeveloped capitalism. How do the IMF and the international investment and plutocratic classes in many nations protect their access and their ability to extract profits from nations that are slated for extraction economies? That is what I study and as a socialist, I want justice for the poor and the lower and regular middle classes. Not only in Chile, but in all nations. I don't believe that the USA wants or desires progress in Latin America. They are happy with keeping Puerto Rico in limbo with no progress and in shrinking stages and the pandemic has not helped either in solving it.

They have not solved the problem for Bolivia or any other nation either. The important thing is for the bankers to make sure Latin America has enormous external debt forever so that the US gov't can fund its military and its access to credit and rates that favor them. See Truth to Power's book by Michael Hudson entitled Super Imperialism--It is online as a book and they have comments on youtube and youtube videos on the origins of how the USA went into Super Imperialism. If you read that? And still want to think the US gov't is innocent or did not do something, or is not responsible for the obstacles to better circumstances and development in Latin America--then you will be hopeless in any logic.

Read the two books, John Perkins and Michael Hudson.

@Truth To Power is a pro-capitalist and is against socialism but agrees that these two are right about Latin America and the USA policies regarding this part of the world. If you disagree with him and I you better come up with a credible argumentation @wat0n if not? It is about just panzismo for you. End of the story.

[Mike12]

I figured we all wanted to move to Finland. Isn't that correct above? Its always time for Finland.

Jesse Custer is a hard-drinking, chain-smoking preacher who, enduring a crisis of faith, becomes infused with an extraordinary power. He embarks on a quest to better understand his new gift and literally find God, alongside his trigger-happy ex-girlfriend, Tulip, and new vampire friend, Cassidy.[1]
Dominic Cooper as Jesse Custer, a preacher from Annville, Texas with a criminal past and a newly discovered superpower to command others to do as he says.[2] Dominic Ruggieri portrays 10-year-old Jesse.
Joseph Gilgun as Proinsias Cassidy, a vice-loving vampire from Ireland who joins Jesse and Tulip on their search for God.[3]
Ruth Negga as Tulip O'Hare, Jesse's volatile, hell-raising girlfriend.[4] Ashley Aufderheide portrays 10-year old Tulip.
Lucy Griffiths as Emily Woodrow, a single mother, waitress, church organist, bookkeeper, and Jesse's loyal right hand. (season 1)[5]
W. Earl Brown as Sheriff Hugo Root, Annville's local lawman. (main season 1; guest season 2)[6]
Derek Wilson as Donnie Schenck, Odin Quincannon's right-hand man and Jesse's rival since childhood. (season 1)[7][8]
Ian Colletti as Eugene "Arseface" Root, Jesse's most faithful parishioner, and Sheriff Root's son, whose face is horribly disfigured due to a botched suicide attempt.[9]
Tom Brooke as Fiore, one of two Adephi angels tasked with watching the half-demon, half-angelic creature named Genesis. (main season 1; guest seasons 2 and 4)[10]
Anatol Yusef as DeBlanc, one of two Adelphi angels tasked with watching the half-demon, half-angelic creature named Genesis. (season 1)[11]
Graham McTavish as The Saint of Killers, a supernatural, unstoppable killing machine summoned from Hell to destroy Jesse.[12]
Pip Torrens as Herr Starr, member of the Grail, a powerful, super-secret organization.[13] Starr was briefly introduced in the season 1 episode "The Possibilities", although played by a different actor.[14][15] (cameo season 1; main seasons 2–4)
Noah Taylor as Adolf Hitler, an inmate in Hell. (seasons 2–4)[13]
Julie Ann Emery as Sarah Featherstone, one of the Grail's best operatives. (seasons 2–4)[13]https://youtu.be/fMxOJOu2-OY
Malcolm Barrett as Hoover, one of the Grail's best operatives. (recurring season 2; main season 3)[13][16]
Colin Cunningham as T.C., a henchman of Marie L'Angelle. This character is briefly introduced via flashback in the second season finale played by a stand-in. (cameo season 2; main season 3)[17][18][16]
Betty Buckley as Marie "Gran'ma" L'Angelle, Jesse Custer's grandmother. This character first appears via flashback in the second season episode "Backdoors" played by Julie Oliver-Touchstone. (cameo season 2; main season 3)[19][18]
Mark Harelik as himself / God (guest seasons 1–2; recurring season 3; main season 4)[20]
Tyson Ritter as Humperdoo / The Messiah and Jesus Christ, the last living descendant of Jesus Christ. Christ appears in the fourth season. (guest season 2; recurring season 3; main season 4)[21]
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Jackie Earle Haley as Odin Quincannon, a powerful man in Annville who runs Quincannon Meat & Power, a 125-year-old family run cattle slaughterhouse business.[22] The original pilot featured Elizabeth Perkins as Vyla Quincannon, a female version of the character, but the writers ultimately opted to make Quincannon male as in the comics. (season 1)[23]
Marie Wagenman as Saint of Killers Daughter, only child of Saint of Killers who dies an early death, which torments her father for eternity.
Ricky Mabe as Miles Person, the mayor of Annville. (season 1)
Jamie Anne Allman as Betsy Schenck, a masochistic woman who is regularly beaten by her husband, Donnie. (season 1)[7]
Nathan Darrow as John Custer, Jesse's preacher father. (seasons 1 and 4)
Juliana Potter as Susan, a killer seraphim angel. (season 1)
Ronald Guttman as Denis, an aged son of Cassidy's who lives in New Orleans. (season 2)[13]
Justin Prentice as Tyler, a prisoner in Hell. (season 2)[13]
Amy Hill as Ms. Mannering, a warden of Hell. (season 2)
Jeremy Childs as Jody, a henchman of Marie L'Angelle who killed Jesse's father. (season 3)[18]
Jonny Coyne as Allfather D'Aronique (season 3)[24]
Adam Croasdell as Eccarius (season 3)[16]

[wat0n]

@wat0n

There are scumbags in every country on Earth. I am an anthropologist Wat0n and see human failings in all human societies. Because we are dealing with the same species in different cultures. This means that in order to understand societies in which there are more wealthy people versus poor people we need to study the circumstances of poverty versus wealth. In order to understand wealth versus poverty in the same species, we need to understand deeply the limitations placed on access to power, credit, to systemic advantages or disadvantages. There are wealthy people in Europe and poor people in Europe, both of the same genetic and racial characteristics. The same for Africa, Asia, and Latin America. So? I discard the idea of race or culture being the reason someone is poor. You got people who are born middle class or working class and become millionaires and billionaires and people who are born middle class or wealthy and become poor in one lifetime. This means that the core of the issue becomes having access to money and systems. Not culture and not a race. If you want to think that it is a system in Latin America that makes the nation poor Wat0n? I agree it is the system. Which system is the predominant one for centuries now? Capitalism but underdeveloped capitalism. How do the IMF and the international investment and plutocratic classes in many nations protect their access and their ability to extract profits from nations that are slated for extraction economies? That is what I study and as a socialist, I want justice for the poor and the lower and regular middle classes. Not only in Chile, but in all nations. I don't believe that the USA wants or desires progress in Latin America. They are happy with keeping Puerto Rico in limbo with no progress and in shrinking stages and the pandemic has not helped either in solving it.

They have not solved the problem for Bolivia or any other nation either. The important thing is for the bankers to make sure Latin America has enormous external debt forever so that the US gov't can fund its military and its access to credit and rates that favor them. See Truth to Power's book by Michael Hudson entitled Super Imperialism--It is online as a book and they have comments on youtube and youtube videos on the origins of how the USA went into Super Imperialism. If you read that? And still want to think the US gov't is innocent or did not do something, or is not responsible for the obstacles to better circumstances and development in Latin America--then you will be hopeless in any logic.

Read the two books, John Perkins and Michael Hudson.

@Truth To Power is a pro-capitalist and is against socialism but agrees that these two are right about Latin America and the USA policies regarding this part of the world. If you disagree with him and I you better come up with a credible argumentation @wat0n if not? It is about just panzismo for you. End of the story.

You have yet to explain why does the US have to solve Bolivia's problems. I would think the ones that have to solve Bolivia's problems are, above all, Bolivians themselves.

Why don't we see 52 year olds masquerading as student union leaders and getting government money in the US?

[Mike12]

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[Truth To Power]

@Truth To Power is a pro-capitalist and is against socialism

I am not pro-capitalism. How many times do I have to say it? I am merely aware that socialism is even worse than capitalism, and I have explained exactly why.