Tainari88 wrote:You lack depth in so many things you write
I think the same about your nonsense.
Your stuff boil down to "the other day, XXX happened to me" or "well, he doesn't like the US so he's good".
Tainari88 wrote:@wat0n. If you look at human behavior and human beings objectively, which you very rarely do because you want to defend the USA system so badly and the worst of it is, that as a Chilean immigrant with a precarious status in the USA, you feel you know more than the generations of people who have lived here for a long ass time. You did not pay attention to the white resentment video did you with Jon Stewart talking about the long history of violence, and oppressive institutions, that were always constantly making laws that forced black people to live with intolerable conditions? Contrary to their own stated foundational documents.
And you do not pay attention to the fact that the US in 2023 is not the US in 1953. It's a rather different country, and a far less racist one too.
Another thing you don't truly pay attention to is to the fact that people from all walks of life and all races can be prejudiced. Or more precisely, you think all prejudice comes from white people and that everyone else is prejudiced because of them.
No, that's simply not true and pretends people are not responsible for overcoming their own prejudices.
Tainari88 wrote:You did not pay attention to what I wrote to you about capos in the Jewish interned population in horrible concentration camps like Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen, Dachau, etc. what did I write about to you in regards to Capos? Who are these people? This is the definition. They were Jewish prisoners the same as the rest. But they were under a very horrible oppressive situation and they would rather cooperate with the enemy of theirs and oppress and do the dirty work of the German military authorities than wind up getting killed themselves standing up to any kind of German authority. They could be painted as victims too. They were. But they chose to cooperate with the system of oppression rather than fight for their own liberation actively even if it costs them their lives.
I don't need you to teach me about Jewish history, and I don't care about your lectures to Holocaust victims.
You're also a hypocrite: You claim to fight against oppression yet you don't even live in the US, instead, you used the privilege of having earned American wages for a lifetime to live in a poorer country like Mexico and where the dollar can get you far with little effort. Many white American retirees do the same, but they don't usually claim to be resisting anything or anyone, and they sure as hell don't berate others for not doing the same.
Tainari88 wrote:You don't understand human behavior across the board at all. It is really bad Wat0n. It has to be spelled out for you and digested for you like fucking baby food. Why? I happen to think you are really indoctrinated with shitty propaganda in the extreme by some liberal semi-shitty right-wing status scene from Chile and people who admire the Gringo way of life in the extreme, and propaganda swallowers of the worst sort.
Not really. American society obviously has its own flaws, just like any society.
For example, their obsession with race is definitely a flaw and as a good American you share it too. Another thing that might finally be beginning to change is their absurd dependence on cars.
But there are also good things about the American way of life, again, just like anywhere else. One thing I like is that people are generally more respectful of your personal life than in Latin America, and unwanted intrusions on it - like all patronizing as you are doing right now -, are far more likely to be pushed back on. The downside of it is that it also means it's harder to make friends or socialize in general, but as far as I'm concerned the upsides beat the downsides. It's purely a matter of personal preference.
Tainari88 wrote:I never make sweeping statements about living in a culture I never lived in. That is for people who are foolish and uninformed and ignorant. They believe in propaganda. You live in Chicago and do not get what the fuck is happening in Chicago at all. Why is there black-on-black violence? The same reason there was Jewish-on-Jewish violence in the concentration camps but to a lesser extreme.
I am going to give you a clear example of what I am talking about. It is about internalized racism. Something the Black community knows very well. It is called colorism. Do you know what that is? Look it up. They internalize institutionalized racism so much that they discriminate against other black people based on color. Just like white people do. It is a form of self-hatred. It is very common in colonized nations, colonized countries, colonized communities, and people having to adapt to not having power and having to survive on limited resources and limited options. Poverty also contributes to that psychological phenomenon.
I call bullshit. The problem with Black on Black violence in Chicago has to do to a large extent with organized crime, and it's not something it's happened only to them either. This is Chicago we're talking about, the city of Al Capone and indeed, the mafia represented a very similar problem at the time.
Why do some people join gangs anyway? Because they perceive getting into the drug trade is more profitable than abiding by the law and that they are unlikely to be caught. And they're probably right, drugs in general aren't going to be legalized anytime soon so drug trafficking will remain profitable, and no one is really willing to do whatever it takes to deal with the gang problem. Residents who have to deal with the problem will complain, but wouldn't like heavy handed police or harsher action in their communities both for historical reasons (racism) and also practical ones (it'd be even more dangerous to their safety). Non-residents don't have to deal with the problem either, and due to the cases of police brutality there is also no appetite for heavy handed action in general even after the recent crime increase (furthermore, Chicago is still safer nowadays than 20 or 30 years ago). Even politicians themselves don't see economic reasons to do so, since most of the gang activity happens outside the economic engines of the city anyway. No one wants to face the costs of doing anything about it and even if they did, it would at best be a temporary relief as long as drugs remain illegal. If currently existing gangs don't do it, new ones will form because someone else will have to sell to drug users.
This is exactly what happened with Al Capone during Prohibition, so it's not new. And it did not involve Black people back then.
Tainari88 wrote:Hispanics as you say and not Latin Americans which is a better term for pan-Latin Americanism in the USA, discriminate against Blacks because that is all they see on the evening news, and also because the Black community has all kinds of stress and anger and crime due to the conditions I just told you about in this thread.
I say Hispanics because I haven't too much contact with non-Hispanic Latin Americans like Brazilians or Haitians. I don't speak Portuguese or Creole, so I can't share any experiences.
Also, those guys were speaking from personal experience and generalizing.
Guy #1 was an Uber driver who was extorted by a Black female rider. She basically managed to take his phone and demanded $200 or else she'd call his wife and tell her she had enjoyed sucking his dick. He refused and she followed through, giving him a big problem to deal with at home.
Guy #2 should sound familiar to you: He said some African Americans told him to stop speaking Spanish, in his view "morenos" feel you're talking shit about them when they don't understand whatever some other people are saying.
In reality, most African Americans won't try to blackmail you and will probably not tell you to stick to English. Same goes for Whites and everyone else for that matter.
Tainari88 wrote:African Americans are not saints and perfect. They are not special humans. They are just human. They have people who are not very intelligent, they got geniuses, they got some great athletes, and some nerds, they got some who are good at this or that. They vary. Just like the white communities and the Latino communities and the Asian communities. Again it is COMPLEX because they are human beings. Just like all of us are. Why can't they be allowed to be humans with all the defective qualities that every other ethnic group has? You got tacky people and violent people in the white community too....poverty galore, welfare recipients, alcoholics, drug addicts, and so on. But those sectors that are a minority in any community of any race are never held up as representative of all the white people in the USA in social media or in communications. On film or in mass media. Why? Because white people are central to everything. The model to be imitated and the ones who are not white are the abnormal out-groups. WHY??? Analyze that for once. No, you will come up with BULLSHIT again expecting me to break it down for you. Why? You are totally indoctrinated con MIERDA. All day long.
I explicitly said one shouldn't generalize stuff about people you don't know simply because of their race. Funnily enough, you do the same when it comes to talking about white people.
Further showing that many people do just that: Generalize about others without even speaking to them, because of their skin color.
Tainari88 wrote:You believe stereotypes about your own group with bullshit theories of Napoleon Bonaparte caudillismo. The French were defeated in the battle of Puebla in Mexico long ago. Benito Juarez was the president of Mexico. They celebrate his birthday here this month. March 21. He spoke Zapotec. First. He was an Indian speaking not Spanish at all at first. But Zapotec. He became the president of Mexico. Did a Native American become the president of the USA? NO!!! Never once has there been an Indian culture president in the USA. It is another history here than in the USA. The founding father of the Mexican national was Maderos and also Vicente Guerrero a Black Mexican famously said, (La Patria es Primera). The Fatherland is First. A BLACK MEXICAN GEORGE Washington. Mexico is not the same as the USA in almost everything. But somehow the history that is taught to people is totally false in the media and in the mass communication platforms. It is all controlled.
Well, Benito Juarez admired the American system of government and tried to depersonalize Mexican institutions so no caudillos would emerge. Was he too innocent or ignorant about human behavior too?
Also, there are also Latin American countries that have never had an indigenous President. So what? Why do you berate the US for things that also happen in Latin America?
Tainari88 wrote:Part of the thread says there Black people in Japan speak about how they feel freer in Japan than in the USA. You worry about them fitting in or assimilating. They don't care about being a minority in a nation full of Japanese people. They just wanted to get away from feeling fear while living in their native societies. Why do they feel fear? Because they have to walk around and live with the terrorism of white people controlling the narrative. I posted a lot already about why white people get upset or resentful over black people eloquently writing about a totally all Black experience making Black people the center protagonists in a story. They got pissed over making Ariel the Little Mermaid a black young woman. Instead of white. Jane Elliot speaks about that. Why? Because they are used to being in the fucking CENTER of everything in media. Film, newspapers, magazines, books, radio, videos, social media platforms. Hell white people are a minority on planet Earth!!!
They don't care about assimilating now but they will down the line. If they really like Japan and want to stay for good, they probably do want to stop being seen as foreigners and treated as such. Like having people assume their command of Japanese is poor or that they can't use chopsticks because they don't look Japanese.
Or what, are you saying that just because one guy's name is Juan or Pedro those of us who live in the US should assume he only speaks Spanish? Have you considered this can also be seen as racist?
As for the mermaid stuff, I don't care too much but if the only contribution is to just change a character's race then I'd say they're not too creative. It's sad because there are plenty of myths and actual history from the non-Western world that could make for good films, and let Westerners learn about other cultures. Japan, in fact, does this really
well, so well that manga sells more than traditional American comics.
Tainari88 wrote:Who are the most numerous people on Earth? Asians, Africans, Latin Americans and Native people of every land.....take all those people together in raw numbers? European white people are TINY in percentages. But they got to be the definition of all that is good in human life. It is a LIE of massive proportions. Be balanced. That means if there are good things to human beings they exist in ALL human races. If there are bad aspects to human beings then they exist in ALL human races. Stop expecting the whites or the Yankees or the Gringos or the rich or whoever happens to be in power like the German SS and Third Reich were in power in the concentration camps to be the standard of what one should be.
Do I have to spoon-feed you information and connect the dots? The Germans were white. They were violent killers, and racists, and did the most disgusting things on planet Earth. Why didn't the USA bomb them with two Atom Bombs like they did the Japanese? Who knows? But that the whites are not violent or scary or terrorists are FALSE. Europe is mostly white people and they are always warring with each other. Why don't people create fucking stereotypes about Europeans and their eternal wars that are bloody for power and Empire building? Fucking violent ethnicity over there.
Many do, actually. Specially in Latin America, it's common to blame Europeans and Americans for all our problems. You are also aware of this.
And again, I don't need you to teach me about Jewish history. You also have no idea about what many Jews feel about Europe or not, specially in Israel. Things are far, far more complicated and even within my own family they'll tell you Europe is not a good place to move to if you're Jewish and that you're way better off in the US.
Tainari88 wrote:No, they blacks are the scary ones. Why? To justify the exploitation and the perpetuation of a caste system in the USA where the whites are more human than blacks. Why? because to accept that they are equals in every way and human and just as prone to be making mistakes and having defects means taking responsibility for their own injustice and their own lack of humanity. Take responsibility and stop hiding from all these fucking lies they do in the world to avoid CHANGING the society. It needs changing.
That is the point. IF you need me @wat0n to make connections and do a synthesis for you as if you were some freshman in high school? You need to get a grip and get off your ass and do some independent thinking. You have demonstrated really brown nosing shit behavior.
I agree independent thinking is important. So when a Black woman tells you to get out of her neighborhood because the gangs will be coming out and shooting each other soon, is she being racist? Does she hate herself?
I don't buy that shit. Chileans will avoid dangerous neighborhoods in Chile just like everyone else. We don't need a white person to tell us to that.
Tainari88 wrote:If you are waiting for a green card or need help becoming another hate on anyone who is not the fucking German SS in power because you need to be part of it? You are never going to make a society that will actually help you become a US citizen Wat0n. The reason you got a shot at being a US citizen now? Is because in the 1960s the Leftist radicals whom you disapprove of, pressured the US government into changing their visa immigration programs to include third world people. That meant Chile. Yes. Third World. Your nation. For the Yankee government, South American nations are all a bunch of hellholes. So is Africa. It is all inferior. They judge everyone by the money in the bank and the whiteness of the skin. English on the tongue and property they own.
No, those were definitely not leftist radicals who did that. It was most certainly a decision by American economic, political, social and intellectual elites, particularly those from the north.
In the 1960s, the United States faced both foreign and domestic pressures to change its nation-based formula, which was regarded as a system that discriminated based on an individual's place of birth. Abroad, former military allies and new independent nations aimed to de-legitimize discriminatory immigration, naturalization and regulations through international organizations like the United Nations. In the United States, the national-based formula had been under scrutiny for a number of years. In 1952, President Truman had directed the Commission on Immigration and Naturalization to conduct an investigation and produce a report on the current immigration regulations. The report, Whom We Shall Welcome, served as the blueprint for the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. At the height of the Civil Rights Movement the restrictive immigration laws were seen as an embarrassment. At the time of the act's passing, many high-ranking politicians favored this bill to be passed, including President Lyndon B. Johnson. However, the public did not reciprocate these feelings, which can be seen in a Gallup Organization poll in 1965 asking if they were in favor of getting rid of the national quota act, and only 51 percent were in favor. The act was pressured by high-ranking officials and interest groups to be passed, which it was passed on October 3, 1965. President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the 1965 act into law at the foot of the Statue of Liberty, ending preferences for white immigrants dating to the 18th century.
Having laws in the book that had been praised by Hitler himself in Mein Kampf
was seen as embarrassing, and rightly so.
Tainari88 wrote:Who are you? Do you own a house in your name in Chicago? Do you speak English only every day? Are you a US citizen with an oath pledging to pay taxes and be going for defending a constitution that even the senators who pledge to defend don't defend? Are you white? Just how white? Are you Christian? If you said not to most of those questions? Then why the fuck are you always worried about criticisms to the US government? Do you see why I really think you are LAZY? It is obvious you never read a damn thing or hear these videos with a critical mind.
Ave María chico. Deja la mierda ya!
I'm worried about stupidity, I'm sure the US government will do just fine but internal cohesion may not. The obsession with race and what divides people in this country trumps what Americans share, and that's definitely a bad thing. It makes it hard to reach broad agreements that allow for a more inclusive country and specially a more inclusive political system.
I am also worried about the spread of the current American postmodern racial identity politics abroad, we rejected a racist Chilean Constitution inspired by people who think like you last year but that threat is most definitely not gone. And just like your stupid politics has spread to the Chilean left (and the left in Latin America and Europe), the Chilean right is copying Trump with regards to immigration (and may start with the rest too), just as the Latin American and European right has. That is, there is a similar process that's happening outside the US too.
In reality, American politics and culture has an influence that goes well beyond its borders and that includes both the good and the bad things. Nowadays, it includes specially the bad things.
At last, what makes you believe I can't have access to those things in due time? I may be on a work visa now, but I will be able to apply for a Green Card less than 3 years from now. Then, if I get it, I will be able to apply for citizenship down the line if I want to. I have access to a better quality of life than in Chile as well, despite all the problems the US has to deal with (from its politics, to its urbanism, to its healthcare system). Millions of other Latin Americans share my assessment too, judging by the migratory flows to and from Latin America.