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By ness31
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/ ... /102158224

What’s this about? It’s one of those parliamentary rules the public would no doubt never hear of until something like this happens.

What’s the reasoning behind the locking of the doors and why are humans being restrained from doing so in that moment?
By pugsville
#15269806
ness31 wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/liberals-apologise-injuring-parliament-house-attendant-in-rush/102158224

What’s this about? It’s one of those parliamentary rules the public would no doubt never hear of until something like this happens.

What’s the reasoning behind the locking of the doors and why are humans being restrained from doing so in that moment?



It's so there is an orderly clear vote counting process in parliament. In people and come and go during counting there is potential for confusion. Members of parliament have a voting records that is recorded (which is why the MPs were trying to leave so they would not have a stance recorded on the record, being merely absent,.) There clear step by step process for voting in Parliament, the bells are wrong, in the chamber as well as party rooms, lobby and members offices so members know a vote is happening.

If people can enter and leave during a vote, what happens when one leaves or enters during the votes being counting, who exactly is eligible in the this vote. If you start letting people arrive late it;s a slippery sloe of confusion. Locking the doors eliminates doubt and confusion, those in the chamber vote. Vote tallies can be checked and a definite decision reached. If can come and go one side might insist on recounting the vote tallies to go a member more time to arrive. Locking the doors eliminates any shenanigans and makes the process clear.



https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parli ... on-is-held

https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parli ... arliament/
By ness31
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We do replays for tennis and football, we can check votes in parli.

Also, why did they want to leave? Why couldn’t they abstain? Is that just for optics you think?

Edit - thanks for the link. Yeah, they clearly didn’t want to be counted. I think they should have been allowed to leave..
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Apparently the problem originates from a "defect" in the Australian Parliamentary rules. If a member is present, they do not have a choice not to vote.

During the division of the assembly, they are required to go to one chamber or another, where their presence will be counted as a vote.

It seems an unexpected vote came up and some of the members either did not want to vote, or did not want to be recorded as having individually voted a certain way on the issue (which could hurt their chances of reelection).
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By ThirdTerm
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Australia copied the British parliamentary system. The door attendants are officially called the doorkeepers in the UK. The role of doorkeepers dates back to the 1300s. They are responsible for both security and ceremony at the Palace of Westminster. MPs have eight minutes to vote before the doorkeepers close and lock the doors to the chamber to prevent anyone from entering.

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When complaint was made that certain unnamed Members had interfered with the doorkeeper on duty at the door of the Aye lobby, the Assistant Serjeant at Arms reported that one or two Members had got through the door after the direction ‘lock the doors' had been given; the Speaker thereupon ruled that the question must again be put.1 But when a similar complaint was made regarding a particular Member, the division was not vitiated, the Member's vote being disallowed.2
https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/sectio ... the-doors/

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