[Nonsense]

The Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. US/UK/Isreal support for jihadists in Syria killed hundreds of thousands more.
The very simple answer to the question posed is that centre left middle class remainers do not have a problem with millions of Arabs dying far away.

However they DO have a very serious problem with remotetest possibility that their standard of living might be dropping by 5% or 10 % and / or that the value of their house might fall by 10 or 20 thousand pounds.

Nonsense-

Redcarpet, “The very simple answer to the question posed is that centre left middle class remainers do not have a problem with millions of Arabs dying far away.

However they DO have a very serious problem with remotetest possibility that their standard of living might be dropping by 5% or 10 % and / or that the value of their house might fall by 10 or 20 thousand pounds.”

Nonsense - All things being equal , both remainers & leaver homeowners would 'potentially' suffer or benefit, as the case may be.

The same is true of businesses, people, inflation etc.

[Potemkin]

Nonsense - All things being equal , both remainers & leaver homeowners would 'potentially' suffer or benefit, as the case may be.

The same is true of businesses, people, inflation etc.

No, actually it's pretty certain that the UK economy will take a serious hit because of Brexit. Whether this matters to you or not depends on how badly you want Brexit, or if you want it at all. The middle classes tend to be anti-Brexit, and the fact that they stand to lose the most money over it is probably not coincidental. Lol.

[Nonsense]

No, actually it's pretty certain that the UK economy will take a serious hit because of Brexit. Whether this matters to you or not depends on how badly you want Brexit, or if you want it at all. The middle classes tend to be anti-Brexit, and the fact that they stand to lose the most money over it is probably not coincidental. Lol.

Nonsense-

So, by your reckoning, Labour, Lib Dems, The Greens & SNP are all 'middle-class' by being remainer's.

Doesn't bode too well for their prospects of gaining working-class votes at the next general election then, does it.

I wonder which party is genuinely 'anti-austerity' then , couldn't be Labour then could it, I mean, if they are middle-class 'anti-brexit', they must still be 'middle class' BLAIRITE's then.
Maybe what Labour are really about, is perpetuating the middle classes which is what the BLAIR-BROWN years were about, Labour pandering to middle class greed & not about raising the living standards of the working class folks- somethings never change do they.

According to the remain camp, leavers were white middle,old aged little Englanders, blah,blah,blah, I wish they would make their minds up.

It's an odds on certainty that when you pidgeon - hole people into this or that group, the judgement is invariably wrong.

[Ter]

@B0ycey you are assuming that all the people who still vote for conservative and labour party are 100% remainers. I seriously doubt that. The convinced remainers can vote libdem or change and the convinced leavers will vote for Brexit or Ukip. The two traditional parties are split down the middle, both of them.

[redcarpet]

Resposnibility of what happens in a war is on the isitiator. Yes, in thew Iraq War, physically, the jihadist killed about 66%/2 thirds, of the civilians. Yes but that's still the chief fault/blame of Bush, Blair, their parties, the Neo-Cons, and stipud voters voting Republican in 2002 for Congress & Bush in 2004!

[Ter]

Resposnibility of what happens in a war is on the isitiator. Yes, in thew Iraq War, physically, the jihadist killed about 66%/2 thirds, of the civilians. Yes but that's still the chief fault/blame of Bush, Blair, their parties, the Neo-Cons, and stipud voters voting Republican in 2002 for Congress & Bush in 2004!

Is your spelling checker on the blink ?
and by the way you are in the wrong thread.

[Rich]

Resposnibility of what happens in a war is on the isitiator. Yes, in thew Iraq War, physically, the jihadist killed about 66%/2 thirds, of the civilians. Yes but that's still the chief fault/blame of Bush, Blair, their parties, the Neo-Cons, and stipud voters voting Republican in 2002 for Congress & Bush in 2004!

I find these views cowardly and sickening. Iraq has only been so bloody because of the evil of the the Sunni Arabs, Every time a Sunni Arab Muslim went into a Shia Mosque, every time they went into a crowded market place and blew up tens or hundreds of ordinary Shia, tens or hundreds of women and children, you say oh the Sunni Arabs were entitled to rule, or at the very least we should only stand up to bullies if they are not too violent. I say this proves Bush and Blair were right.

Its time the Iraq anti war movement admitted that they were wrong. Its time for them to admit that Bush and Blair were right. Its time to thank Bush and Blair for their courageous stand against the morally cowardly appeasers of the anti war movement.

[B0ycey]

@B0ycey you are assuming that all the people who still vote for conservative and labour party are 100% remainers. I seriously doubt that. The convinced remainers can vote libdem or change and the convinced leavers will vote for Brexit or Ukip. The two traditional parties are split down the middle, both of them.

I suspect most are Ter. Of course there are no stats for that just my own personal logic. A vote for the Brexit party is a vote to leave the EU. Any other vote isn't. This election is billed as irrelevant anyway. So anyone who votes for Labour or Conservatives do so by either supporting remain or the status quo. What else could explain a shift in support for a party that has no other political position to it?

[ingliz]

Leavers as % of electorate:

2016 Referendum 37%

2019 Brexit Party 34%

Change = -3%

[Reichstraten]

Leavers as % of electorate:

2016 Referendum 37%

2019 Brexit Party 34%

Change = -3%

How the United Kingdom voted on Thursday… and why

[Nonsense]

Is your spelling checker on the blink ?
and by the way you are in the wrong thread.

Nonsense-

Give him kudos for trying though.

[Nonsense]

Leavers as % of electorate:

2016 Referendum 37%

2019 Brexit Party 34%

Change = -3%

Nonsense-

The only polls that matter are those on the day of the election.

Taking your figures at face value for what they are worth(nothing), would be best to ignore them, because they are simply wrong.

The actual percentages were 52% Leave & 48% Remain.
for the U.K as a whole.

England & Wales were within 1% of each other in wanting to Leave(53.4% Leave) & (46.6% Remain) England, for Wales, it was 52.5% Leave & 47.5%.
Remain), whilst Scotland was 62% Remain & 38% Leave.
Northern Ireland voted by 55.8 % Remain & 44.2% Leave.

The latter, of course, was the recipient of British taxpayers money paid in to the E.U by British taxpayers & then given to the Irish by Brussels, in other words, the Irish were never going to bite the hand that they perceive(wrongly)feeds them & they(being Irish)love nothing more than a 'bribe'.

The Scots on the other hand have been spoon fed since their defeat by the English & have an established sense of entitlement through the annual grant.

The Sots, unlike the ignorant Irish, know that they are biting the hand that feeds them, because they think the grass is greener in the E.U & they think they can have another source of extra income from Brussels if they go 'independent'-wrong.

It's the case with N.Ireland & Scotland that the reasons they voted for the status quo are about one issue only-money-as per reasons given above & the English want out because we are the ones that always cough up the money to keep those beggars & we are so much poorer for it.

Staying in the E.U under MAY's 'deal', we English would be forever paying tribute as a vassalage state to the E.U, we should never allow ourselves to be placed into such a subordinate position, ever.

[redcarpet]

Is your spelling checker on the blink ?
and by the way you are in the wrong thread.

I was typing fast. My post was related to Potemkin's and other's in response to an earlier post I made.

[ingliz]

The actual percentages...

Number of leave voters in the 2016 referendum as a % of the electorate (total UK registered voters) was 37.5%.

17.4m as % of 46.4m = 37.5

[Nonsense]

Number of leave voters in the 2016 referendum as a % of the electorate (total UK registered voters) was 37.5%.

17.4m as % of 46.4m = 37.5

Nonsense-

Sorry to inform you ingliz, but your figures are incorrect.

That is because you are making a calculation based on the total elligible registered electorate & not on actual total Turnout..

There was a Turnout of 72.2% of elligible electorate actually taking part & 27.8%(12.923225M) either not taking part or spoiled their ballot papers(26,033K).

To sum up, a total elligible electorate of 46,501241M Turnout, 33.578016M(72.2%), Leave votes: 17.410742M(51.9%), Remain votes: 16.141241M(48.1%) & invalidated(spoilt)votes: 26,033K.

[Nonsense]

CORBYN has the gall to say that he & his party have respected the referendum result.

That is a LIE because his MP's have, at every occasion, tried, successfully, to thwart the wishes of the people as expressed in the referendum result.

The 'BAD' news for CORBYN is, the BLAIRITES in his Shadow Cabinet, along with fellow MP's of that BLAIRITE trait, are using parliament as a vehicle to ensure that Labour does not get elected under his leadership.

They are using their tactics on leaving the E.U in parliament to undermine his leadership, they get away with it because of his ambiguity & fear of losing 'Labour' voters support, which he is\will anyway.

To them, the idea that they lose the next general election as a price for getting rid of CORBYN, is a price worth paying,no matter what the effects are on that portion of the electorate that see them(Labour) as their saviour from Tory inflicted austerity.

[skinster]

It's been clear rightwing Labour has been gunning for Corbyn since....right after he won the first leadership election. Probably before too, even though they spent most of that time laughing at the idea he'd win.

[B0ycey]

I agree Mr Corbyn. Shame there are those who are abandoning you for Farage!!

[Beren]

The 'BAD' news for CORBYN is

that his EP-election campaign is counterproductive.

Newsflash, Mr. Corbyn: this is an EP and not a general election, and not really a time to bring Britain together, not even the poor. However, a general election would be about Brexit too and you'd lose again.

[skinster]

Newsflash*

(not Flash News)