[Hong Wu]

Brexit is a complicated animal. There's the "Brexit Party" which has largely supplanted the UKIP, there's also Tories and even people who support Labor (I read it was like 14%) who support Brexit.

There's some interesting people running for MEPs right now. The Daily Mirror described gangs of Muslims attacking lone white people at a Tommy Robinson rally as "men fighting":

[guyojcorb]

As a British Citizen I will say that international media consistently mischaracterises Brexit as a clear message to the EU that we will not be controlled however it’s much more complex and less noble than that.
The range of reasons I’ve heard from leavers is:
They dislike the influx of Eastern European migrants who are currently allowed to come and go as they please, the main reason for this is because many apparently don’t want to culturally integrate into the U.K. as well as the falsehood that the majority claim Welfare Benefits from the state while paradoxically stealing jobs from the British workers. ( lots of foreign workers perform hard labour that most British aren’t willing to do out of laziness, mainly in the food and agricultural sector.)
They dislike the influx of Muslims/people from Asia/Middle east despite the fact that we’ve been subject to large scale immigration for hundreds of years due to our colonial past.
Some dislike the fact that we must follow the laws of EU which aren’t as tailored or specialised to our local socio-economic situations.
The thing is that the implications of Brexit are monumental, it has made use uncertain of how we will operate with our Irish-European neighbours in terms of border security.
The whole process is a clusterfuck were the government is trying to morph the result of the Brexit vote towards the best interests without a say from the people, all potential deals are vetoed which is causing great uncertainty for U.K. businesses.
Not to mention that the taxpayer is footing the bill for these useless liars to sit around making no progress.
You can probably tell I didn’t support Brexit and I didn’t see anything of the criticisms of the EU as sufficient to spend the massive amount of time, money and effort to leave which also resulted in this absolute farce.

[snapdragon]

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1130010449368539136

I agree Mr Corbyn. Shame there are those who are abandoning you for Farage!!

And for the parties who support another referendum. That's my priority at the moment.

[Hong Wu]

Apparently the video I shared is being suppressed by YouTube because a video of a Muslim gang bum rushing people is racist or whatever... just imagine what this is like in 20 years when Muslims are staffing well-armed police and military while UK civilians aren't allowed to own bread knives. If the censorship succeeds there will be massacres.

[Nonsense]

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1130010449368539136

I agree Mr Corbyn. Shame there are those who are abandoning you for Farage!!

Nonsense-


You need to be careful what you wish for BOycey,the text says,"Vote Labour on Thursday to defeat the far right", but you may end up voting for the far Left.

Labour are just as hateful of those groups of people not on their political active agenda list as the Tories are not on their favoured status list, such as the elderly, disabled,white British males,Jewish people or non-unionised working class people.

A psunami of gender politics imposing it's political correctness on our N.H.S will follow, restrictions on freedom of expression, masquerading as protecting the 'rights' of alien 'religious' groups, online posting, along with a plethora of other denials of the freedoms that have been fought for in two world wars.

This country could end up at the next election, by jumping out of the frying pan & into the fire of a Left Wing 'orderly dysfunctionalised' nation dependent on the state itself.
We are already too far down that road with much of state spending under the Tories squandering our nation's future by vastly increasing the nbational debt by distributing that future debt to 'PRIVATE' companies, that will be paid for by the future generations of taxpayers & that will accelerate under a Labour government.

That scenario is not what the tax & spend system should be about.

[B0ycey]

Looking at polling I'll end up voting Lib Dems @Nonsense. If people are treating this as a referendum it makes sense to back a remain party. Not one on the fence.

[Beren]

If people are treating this as a referendum it makes sense to back a remain party.

It makes sense to back a Remain/Leave party in a European election anyway.

Corbyn doesn't seem to care about this at all, he won't jeopardise his strategy for the sake of an EP-election. But he should see it didn't really pay off in the local elections as well.

[Nonsense]

Looking at polling I'll end up voting Lib Dems @Nonsense. If people are treating this as a referendum it makes sense to back a remain party. Not one on the fence.

Nonsense-

Well, there's no party like the Lib Dems for sitting on the fence.

Of course, the reason they jumped off the fence on Brexit is that they have nothing to lose being at the bottom of the political pecking order & that the other parties were sitting on the fence with them.

Either way BOycey, you may be backing a loser, choosing the BREXIT Party, though a one trip pony, does what it says on the tin & that makes it a 'winner' in my book.
There is, since the referendum, a gradual polarisation in the political scene of this country, which culminates in a lot of weeping at the next general election,you pays your money(taxes)& make your choice - that's 'democracy' for you.

[Beren]

The Brexit Party is a good thing in the sense that it kills off the far-right (UKIP) and makes the Tories embrace BoJo. I wonder though if how the Brits will decide when they'll be forced to choose between him and Corbyn.

[Nonsense]

The Brexit Party is a good thing in the sense that it kills off the far-right (UKIP) and makes the Tories embrace BoJo. I wonder though if how the Brits will decide when they'll be forced to choose between him and Corbyn.

Nonsense-

Either way Beren, everyone else is a loser.

If the Tories were 'socialist', Labour were the party of 'business', nothing would change, because neither party could run a whelk stall & make money.

Politicians only know how to print money to fill the phenominal void that the fiscal deficit cannot, that will amount to £2 TRILLION by 2022, 4 x what it was when Labour were last in power & that will increase by another £1 TRILLION if they win the next election.

That would also happen under the Tories, the poor will be poorer & the rich will be very much richer.

'Re-distribution' of people's money should be taken out of politics altogether & allow the market to do it's job.

Better still, get rid of the political system, let the people run their own affairs & no one else's.

Maybe that will never happen, but everything else has been tried & failed everywhere.

It would seem that ants are more intelligent at organising themselves than what humans are capable of, that says 'something' for you.

[Beren]

Maybe @Nonsense should realise that Farage is a de facto Tory and his Brexit Party is a one-election-one-issue branch of the Tory party running against the prime minister. Or do you think Rees-Mogg's sister is not a Tory? The Brexit Party is a Tory plot just like Brexit itself is, it's just not the good old Tories you're accustomed to.

[Nonsense]

Maybe @Nonsense should realise that Farage is a de facto Tory and his Brexit Party is a one-election-one-issue branch of the Tory party running against the prime minister. Or do you think Rees-Mogg's sister is not a Tory? The Brexit Party is a Tory plot just like Brexit itself is, it's just not the good old Tories you're accustomed to.

Nonsense-

I accept that the 'BREXIT' Party, headed by FARAGE is 'conservative' by nature, it's only attraction & 'usefulness' to the people is the delivery of BREXIT.

I cannot see it morphing into anything else because of it's nature, it is however, a 'populist' temporial movement of a utilarian value that has come about through the absolute dishonesty arising from the political status quo of MP's & parties on Brexit.

It will whittle away & dissolve itself once it's usefulness is accomplished in delivering Brexit.

It exist for the above reason's, nothing else, Farage actually lost all interest after the referendum, because UKIP was infested by the worst type of characters one could imagine forming a political movement & he must surely have been embarassed at what he had created.

The next question is, which of the two main parties is able to reap the benefit of those leave voters,once the job is completed & to that end both parties are equally culpable in the mess that they alone created.

CORBYN is a fool to talking with MAY on the WA, she sucked him in like the fool that he is, once she spits him out, she will have damaged him, as well as Labour, with a leadership contest to take place, the Tories can potentially regroup for the following election, whereas CORBYN could be left high & dry.

The next election is\was Labour's to lose, what MAY doesn't achieve to thwarting that, CORBYN's BLAIRITES inside the Shadow Cabinet, as well as outside will do their bit to ensure that CORBYN fails & is replaced like MAY will be.

Nothing commends itself to being acceptable to the people, they will continue to lose, as usual.

[B0ycey]

Either way BOycey, you may be backing a loser, choosing the BREXIT Party, though a one trip pony, does what it says on the tin & that makes it a 'winner' in my book.

I'd rather back a new party altogether but the momentum is with the Lib Dems so they are todays winners. Although I would back a dead horse over Farage. He is the ultimate loser.

[snapdragon]

Actually, there's nothing the Brexit Party can do at all as it's not in government.

Still, Farage is making a lot of money out of it and doubtless they'll get a few MEP's who'll pocket the salary and do nothing to earn it.

[Nonsense]

I'd rather back a new party altogether but the momentum is with the Lib Dems so they are todays winners. Although I would back a dead horse over Farage. He is the ultimate loser.

As I have said before, the local elections were characterised by the people using the Lib Dems as a political 'Trash Bin', in which to dump their protest votes over parliamentary antics on Brexit.

I don't dissent from a general view of FARAGE, however, people are using FARAGE's BREXIT PARTY as a vehicle to deliver what parliament has denied them.

To that end, there were\are consequences for other parties, that will endure well into the future, well past the next general election.

There isn't then, just one 'dead horse' there are two, or more, that is the consequence, or fallout of a series of severe political errors by a non-compliant House of Commons in not delivering BREXIT as demanded by the people in 2016.

The main parties need not produce any future manifesto's if they fail to deliver Brexit, because that will ensure FARAGE can do a 'TRUMP' in this country, it's that serious, the idiots at Westminster cannot see it because of their ignorance & arrogance.

[Nonsense]

Actually, there's nothing the Brexit Party can do at all as it's not in government.

Still, Farage is making a lot of money out of it and doubtless they'll get a few MEP's who'll pocket the salary and do nothing to earn it.

Nonsense-

In fact anyone elected as a MEP in the election will actually gain very little from it financially, unless we remain within the E.U.

If they gain plenty of seats, they can influence the parliament there in co-operation with other euro-sceptic parties & governments.

Westminster will be insignificant by comparison, so, they have everything to gain during the time they are there & not forgetting that many of the Brussels 'old guard' will no longer be there.
A new broom in Brussels is just what is required at Westminster.

[Rich]

If Bojo becomes leader, the Tories, the Brexit and UKIP could all be competing for the same right-populist, hard-brexit vote. In a General election, remainer Tories may be put ff voting Tory while some of the Remainers who have been voting Lib Dem and Green could come home to Labour. In such a situation its quite possible that Labour could win the General Election even if an overall majority looks a stretch.

[skinster]

[SolarCross]

If Bojo becomes leader, the Tories, the Brexit and UKIP could all be competing for the same right-populist, hard-brexit vote. In a General election, remainer Tories may be put ff voting Tory while some of the Remainers who have been voting Lib Dem and Green could come home to Labour. In such a situation its quite possible that Labour could win the General Election even if an overall majority looks a stretch.

At this point I don't think there is anything to be gained from that timid old mantra about spliting the vote because anyway coalitions can solve that. Bojo and Farage could presumably have a coalition of some sort, like Cameron did with Clegg. I don't know which way remainers could link up given labour remains ambigious on brexit though.

[Beren]

If Bojo becomes leader, the Tories, the Brexit and UKIP could all be competing for the same right-populist, hard-brexit vote.

If BoJo becomes leader the Brexit Party returns to where it came from while UKIP is already destroyed.

some of the Remainers who have been voting Lib Dem and Green could come home to Labour.

Sure, and some of them may never return (as long as Corbyn is leader). Unlike the Brexit Party the Lib Dems and the Greens are rather well-established parties and the Lib Dems seem to revive especially.