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Bobbydowsa wrote:Now my question is: why haven't they done anything about it? Why don't they do something about?


The reason why they haven't done anything about it is because of capitalism. Or more accurately our economies are too in twinned with each other that to do something about it is pyrrhic.

As for doing something about it, like what? Uncle Sam is more potent than little Europe. Only now have the EU contemplated its own army to protect itself and has relied on the US for far too long. It was a mistake to have relied on anyone else for your own security no doubt about that but it is what it is and now Europe can only condemn illegal wars with words and not might. Although I suspect relationships with the US will only improve once Trump is no longer president so relationships are set to improve over time anyway.
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B0ycey wrote:The reason why they haven't done anything about it is because of capitalism.


I understand that Europeans are as selfish and greedy as anybody else but you can't be that greedy to sell your dignity? I thought Europeans wanted their independence back?

B0ycey wrote:now Europe can only condemn illegal wars with words and not might.


And this is the problem and the more you use words, the more they become emboldened because they know they won't have to face the military of first world countries. Again words do not do anything, I thought Europeans of all people should know that.

Godstud wrote:If you are talking about people's attitude towards America, as a nation, and it's foreign policy, then that's something completely different.


Ah, this whole "I hate the nation but don't hate the people" thing all over again.

Mr. Godstud, don't nations consists of people? Don't the people of the US vote in for their representatives? Don't their representatives represent what the US people want? Therefore if their representatives do something bad, this also means that the American people have done something bad and therefore also deserves to be punished?

I would understand of course if the US was ruled by a king or a dictator but it isn't. It is lead by someone who was voted in by the people for the people.

Now, Mr. Godstud, explain to me, how your attitude can differ from a nation to the people?
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Bobbydowsa wrote:I understand that Europeans are as selfish and greedy as anybody else but you can't be that greedy to sell your dignity? I thought Europeans wanted their independence back?


That just isn't human nature. Economics takes presidence over any form of morality. It always has. Why? Because humans are selfish bastards. This isn't just a European thing.

And this is the problem and the more you use words, the more they become emboldened because they know they won't have to face the military of first world countries. Again words do not do anything, I thought Europeans of all people should know that.


Only the foolish would decide to face (nuclear) destruction trying to defeat an enemy that you cannot defeat for some form of morality whilst at the same time ruin a great standard of living.

Besides America like every great nation has a shelf life. It's shelf life ends when the last drop of oil is pumped and hyperinflation sinks in there due to an influx of useless dollars making it into the economy. In the mean time Europe should just focus on building it's own military and trying to become the next superpower.
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I'm grateful to the Americans for their contributions in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama and Iraq 2003. I would like thank them for deploying Cruse missile to Europe, which Commie traitors like Benn and Corbyn opposed. However I would like Americans to recognise that their path to greatness was bequeathed by Britain. They had British culture, oodles of land, vast natural resources, excellent, navigable coasts and river systems and after independence they faced no serious hemispheric competitor. Their one really serious intra Americas war was with themselves.

It was European land hunger and the multi polar power system that led to the horrors, WWI, WWII, Communism and Nazism, not the lack of America's inane Constituion.
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@dontwastemytime

Honestly, i have never encountered this attitude from Europeans. After I got out of the service I put on a few pounds and one woman from Switzerland who was visiting the US I believe remarked about my belly but i don't think she did it out of arrogance or to be rude. She comes from a different world than I do in which people live a more active and healthy lifestyle and the US was probably new to her. I just told her it was all muscle and laughed about it. Europeans just have a more active lifestyle than we do and tend to eat healthier. Europeans walk or bike everywhere unlike us Americans and don't have a fast food joint on every corner. But at the end of the day and I have interacted with plenty of Europeans, they are people just like anybody else. I never had any problems with the Europeans. Most I have met are just all round good people who I respect greatly.
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Rich wrote:It was European land hunger and the multi polar power system that led to the horrors, WWI, WWII, Communism and Nazism, not the lack of America's inane Constituion.


Incorrect. WWI was caused by capitalism. WWII was caused by fascism. I am a socialist so the liberation of the hearts of the masses is not a "bad" thing. Believing so sounds very American. And Nazism rose to go against Zionism, which U.S.A. PROMOTED via media and the Treaty of Versailles.
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Well I agree with former president of Ecuador's Rafael Correa's assessment of European history:

"La historia de Europa es la historia de la cuchilla" The history of Europe is a history of the knife". Europeans have had a lot of wars amongst themselves. They are an example of humanity. Just as all human beings and human societies are. But it is not about being naive and thinking about who is superior and who is inferior. It is about learning about all of human history and making better choices. For all of us in the end. The real task of excellent politicians is to avoid war and death and loss and chaos in this world. Not to encourage that. But to avoid it completely. If the politicians don't get that in their power hungry agendas? They are unfit for leadership. Unfortunately many are unfit. That is reality.
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dontwastemytime wrote:Seriously, Europeans..... if you hate them, if they are the source of all evils in the world and you find them arrogant and just plain annoying..... why don't you invade them and put an end to their evil ways?


The simple answer? Because they can't...

Why are you Europeans all talk?


That's what they're best at...

Where are your balls, the balls that you had way back before when you were ruling the world? Did you lose it in one of your ex colonies? Maybe you lost in Germany or something?


Remember, if it wasn't for the United States, the official language in France would be German.

The United States will not be stopped...
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BigSteve wrote:Remember, if it wasn't for the United States, the official language in France would be German.

In hindsight that may have been a mistake. Have you heard French? The people of France would have been better off switching to German rather that have to continue to talk like a pimp chewing on old used condoms. :excited:

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