blackjack21 wrote:Keep in mind, all of this is happening in your head. I never made any disclaimers or said that Eurosceptics were "victims". I said the media is doing its level best to spin huge gains for Eurosceptic parties as a big win for the Green party and a huge loss for UKIP (Nigel Farage's former party). Trying to interpolate emotional states into what people say in text is a fools errand.
A fools errand is you doubling down on your false victimisation after being called out on it. Your claims are false, European and British media have been reporting gains for eurosceptics consistently for the past month, your victimisation that they have been underreporting your side is all in your head. And before you make any more of this nonsense present evidence that support your claims, that is present evidence that European and British media have been spinning the gains by eurosceptic parties or hiding it under the rug. To make matters worse you claim that British media want Labour to win which is absolutely laughable as even leftist newspapers like the Guardian and the New Statesman have been vilifying Jeremy Corbyn consistently. Corbyn and Labour have no single newspaper or media outlet speaking for them, none at all, not even those traditionally aligned to them.
The American media doesn't. The American media is almost acting as if Europe didn't exist.
I don't know why should anyone in Europe care about American media, but if your intention was to victimise yourself against American media alone you should have done that. I do not see your victimisation as relevant to anything other than your status as a victim. It seems self-evident that you can only operate from the perspective of the victim. The majority of your post is about setting yourself(or your side) up as a victim, that is despite these and Trump's results, multi-billionaire funding, the backing of the most major newspapers and news outlets in the world, Rupert Murdoch, the backing of the arms industry as well as the backing of Israel and Saudi Arabia somehow you still consider your side to be a victim!!! Despite all that you still pretend to be poor Sampson standing up against the Goliath of the Green parties and Labour who have no backing by anybody.
How ridiculous is that actually? It's quite laughable when you think about it.
It was debated right here on PoFo before the election. Again, it was clear to people on PoFo, but it was not predicted or reported by the media, because the media didn't want that to happen. In the UK, they wanted a victory for Labor. Remainers voted for the Green party--something discussed here on PoFo.
I do not see the relevance and you are false in believing that British media supported Labour, no leftist newspaper supported Corbyn and in fact they all worked against him and that includes the Guardian and the New Statesman.
Merkel is dangerously globalist, not leftist. There's obviously a significant difference.
Irrelevant, you 're the one hailing the victory of her official ally New Democracy as your own victory. Clearly ND's victory in Greece is not cause for
your celebration, as I already informed you.
Get used to it. They get conflated in the US media all the time, and I'm sure it won't be long before it's a common occurrence in the EU media. After all, what on Earth do Nazis and the Republican party have in common? Evangelical Christianity? Capitalism? 
I can get used to correcting you indeed. This argument is the equivalent of: "Oops I'm an American, we are generally ignorant and make silly generalisations, so excuse my ignorance for celebrating the victory of New Democracy as a victory for the far-right". That is a cheap excuse and I can assure you that European media will never conflate Merkel and Mitsotakis with Trump and Farage.
UKIP got sidelined by Nigel Farage and the Brexit party, and it was a brilliant move on his part. By forming a new party late in the electoral cycle, the establishment didn't have time to trash its name and standing. Tommy Robinson and Sargon of Akkad are not exactly politicians. Maybe they will be at some point. Tommy Robinson is what Barack Obama might call a "community organizer," a polite term for shit disturber. I like that about Tommy Robinson, but it doesn't mean I pin my hopes on him in any way, but rather that he exposes the people I want exposed. Nigel didn't want the built-in bad press that they engender, so he sidestepped them. It was a tactical move that was part of his larger strategy, and executed brilliantly.
The establishment has rarely trashed Farage despite his serious blunders and not at all compared to them trashing Jeremy Corbyn, because in the end Farage is just a Tory hare, his only purpose for existence is to keep the far-right contained before it spills over to the BNP, Tommy Robinson and his band of neo-fascists. In Greece this role was being conducted by Laos and its leader Karatzaferis but as soon as they formed a coalition government with New Democracy and became mainstream, all these far-right votes moved to the Golden Dawn and they switched places. Golden Dawn used to be 0.5% and rose to 8% gobbling up all of LAOS votes plus the votes of other far-right parties while LAOS and the others disappeared from the electoral map after being tainted by the touch of mainstream parties. Farage's role is to prevent that and one can see that very clearly as he is a former Tory and his Brexit party is 95% composed of official Tories. Farage is loved by establishment media and is there for the placebo effect. He has been quite successful as he is the only far-right person okayed by the establishment, more okayed in fact than Corbyn.
Why are they being punished noemon?
For many reasons, austerity, dwindling living conditions, closure of several companies, loss of jobs, etcetera. The important thing which you missed is that this punishment generally happens in Eu elections and not in national elections as people consider it safe to vote for non-mainstream parties as it does not affect national politics.
It's not a right vs. left dynamic. It's globalist versus nationalist, and nationalist parties are winning in key countries. Brexit appears imminent, while globalist parties are no longer eminent.
However you want to call it is irrelevant, the "nationalists" have not made any gains that have not been mirrored by equal and in fact greater gains from "globalist" parties across the aisle. In Britain, the "globalist" Greens, Lib-Dems and Change UK rose by 23% from the previous elections, your "nationalists" only rose by 8%. You are mistaking the results.
The UK leaving the EU is a victory for Europe? Will you say the same for France and Italy? National Rally and League won. The EU will be quite a different place if France or Italy leave. Their sentiment is years behind the UK, but they are heading in the same direction now.
Taking over European politics is not the objective. Leaving the EU is the objective.
You should get back to us when and if that actually happens. There are many things to be said here but at this point I highly doubt you are willing to understand what the EU is in the minds of Europeans, people in France and Italy and even eurosceptics like Le Pen, Salvini and Orban. You simply cannot comprehend that all these politicians do not dare call for departure from the EU and that in many cases they are threatened with expulsion/demotion by the EU and when that happens they behave and sit down, not the other way around. I'm sure you will make up several "globalist" excuses in your own head due to your massive ignorance about the EU and the positives it has done to these countries and to these parties in particular by directly funding them and creating conditions where these parties can thrive. These parties and politicians would not exist without the EU and they know it. This is due to many reasons(EU funding, EU opening up the media in those countries, EU supporting more variety) including the American influence that existed before the EU which bankrolled and supported only pro-American 2-party politics with psyops and Gladio. Most of these people have built their careers on pro-European anti-Americanism. All in all, you guys are completely detached from European reality and your simplistic dichotomies do not actually exist.
They were the only remainers that would openly say so. The electorate appreciates a little candor.
As did the Greens and Change UK, pro-Remain parties have increased their vote by 23%, pro-Brexit parties have increased their vote by 8% and undecided fence-sitters like the Tories and Labour have been punished.
Refusing leadership is also political suicide. Europe will only deal reasonably with the UK post-Brexit. They have to try to make Brexit painful for the UK.
He will not refuse but simply not get into the race in the first place. As I said, I highly doubt BoJo will captain a sinking ship. That's not his style, he will only become leader after the storm has passed because he will not accept becoming a disposable casualty like Theresa May. He has figured himself for greater things than being a temporary transitional PM which is what the next Tory leader is going to be until Brexit or elections resolve the storm.
EN EL ED EM ON
...take your common sense with you, and leave your prejudices behind...
there are disaffected 'remainers' & 'leavers'.
political bubble.
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