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By Nonsense
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Red_Army wrote:I think leaving the EU and Jeremy Corbyn are both great. That being said, Brexit is less important than austerity and the rest of the moron Tory agenda. If you think Bojo is better than Corbyn you're a moron.


Your first point I agree with, the second, no, Labour participated in the 'austerity' agenda beginning with Alistair DARLING & whenever Labour breach their own ideological parameters, the Tories take up the reins by stretching it to breaking point, that's the trouble with politics nowadays.

The ideological divide is the schism that parties exploit in order to control the people, politicians cannot think holistically, about all of the people, or about the country itself as a single entity, it's purely fractional.

Each party is interested only in it's own ideological bubble, the Tories with business, smaller state, less taxes for the rich, the 'problem' is, business is only interested in profit, a smaller state is a recipe for division & lower taxes for the rich does not increase incomes for the poor.

With Labour, it's more spending, equalling a larger state, less income for individuals to decide where it is spent, because 'Big Brother' knows best, higher wages paid for by higher taxes with increased inflation, last, but not least, a larger, heavily unionised public sector to run that state, funded by the taxpayer in arbitrary support of Labour's paymasters- the unions.

The losers, are people who support none of those political themes, with Brexit , we can really take back the freedom to decide our own affairs, freedom is a precious commodity & we should not base our values on some dialectic materialism.
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Most of that, Orwellian bad guy bullshit is all too familiar to me. You sound like a regular American libertarian. If you can't see how the Tories empower massive corporations to dominate every aspect of your life without even the slightest hint of public control and yet you're scared of socialism, then again: Admin Edit: Rule 2 Violation
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Atlantis wrote:No, it's a vote for Little England. Anyways, with only 44% of the popular vote, he has no mandate for a hard Brexit. People will realize soon enough that Brexit solves none of their daily problems. On the contrary, the de-industrialized North will take another hit. Deregulation will expose British industry to a race to the bottom it cannot win.


The vote wasn't from England, it was from The UK. Do I assume too much if I assume you know the difference? And please, if your next slur is to call me a little Englander, don't bother. I'm a big Englander and proud of it.
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Red_Army wrote:I think leaving the EU and Jeremy Corbyn are both great. That being said, Brexit is less important than austerity and the rest of the moron Tory agenda. If you think Bojo is better than Corbyn you're a moron.


A bit of a contradiction. Brexit will lead to austerity in one form or the other.(Both good and bad Brexits).
By Rich
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Its fantastic to be so vindicated on the Brexit referendum.

I have argued consistently that the Brexit referendum should be treated with total and utter contempt. Basically that if the British people wanted to leave they should elected a parliament that believed in leaving, rather than whining on about Remain MPs not doing their dirty work for them. As I said it was like demanding our politicians start a war that they didn't believe in, and then whining on that the war was not going well. In a way the British public rather resembles George III, demanding that his government and Parliament impose on the North American colonies regime that they didn't really believe in.

As a progressive as opposed to a hypocritical Libertarian reactionary, I don't just support the right of self determination willy nilly. I just don't support the right of every oil field, tax haven, money laundering haven, smuggling racket, or military base to self determination. Hence I was not a supporter of Scottish independence. I was not even a supporter of a Scottish right to independence. However Brexit voids all right of the UK to hold Scotland. Hence I now support the supremacy of the Scottish Parliament. I hence support the right of the Scottish Parliament to treat the 2014 referendum result with total and utter contempt.
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By Ter
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Rich wrote:Basically that if the British people wanted to leave they should elected a parliament that believed in leaving, rather than whining on about Remain MPs not doing their dirty work for them.


Brexit happened only thanks to the 2016 referendum.
Politicians will never take a principled stand on important matters.
Certainly not on membership of the European Union.
Politicians are like eels in a bucket of snot. One can never get hold of them.
Unless when the remain traitors could get booted out, like it happened just now. Yeeah!
#15056059
This evening Mrs R and I were dining with several people, two of whom were from France.. my son and his French wife. I assure you, anyone who thinks the EU is popular in France is a complete fucking imbecile.

Merry Christmas :)
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By ingliz
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Red Rackham wrote:This evening ...

Meanwhile, the number of UK companies going bust in the last quarter jumped 35% and, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, GDP is between about 2.5% and 3% below where it would have been without Brexit.


:lol:
By skinster
#15056705
roscoe wrote:For those who are still curious why Boris won.


He won because propaganda still works; the establishment in its media demonised him to a level never seen before in this country, including left-liberal dogshit like The Guardian and BBC.

The struggle continues. 8)
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skinster wrote:He won because propaganda still works; the establishment in its media demonised him to a level never seen before in this country, including left-liberal dogshit like The Guardian and BBC.

The struggle continues. 8)

For some reason this didn't stop Blair getting elected , yet current Labour can't handle it. When Blair was being criticized by Corbyn, he took it like a real leader while current Labour can't handle 1 ayota of self crytisism and tries to lynch anyone within its own ranks. But yes, tell us how Labour did nothing wrong and it's the society to blame for the failure which was the last election.
By skinster
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Blair didn't have the entire establishment against him, the entire MSM including left-liberal institutions like the BBC repeatedly referring to him as a terrorist sympathizer, racist and hundreds of other things for pretty much every day since around 2014/2015 - Blair actually had Murdoch's backing - and Blair didn't have half of his party trying to sabotage his leadership, U.K. intelligence repeatedly warning against his potential premiership, racism smears weaponised against him, a decades-long anti-racist campaigner, or foreign governments like the U.S. and Israel threatening to interfere, attack further and/or do everything in their power to not allow for his premiership, etc.etc.etc.

I find it baffling that you keep comparing the two, even despite the following:





But yes, tell us how Labour did nothing wrong and it's the society to blame for the failure which was the last election.


Anyone actually paying attention to what has been happening since Corbyn's leadership bid understand what took place here (that he was being attacked from all sides, including within his own party, and those people ending up winning).

Without all of those attacks from within and without, and without Corbyn not being pressured by scumbags like Tom Watson to have another vote on Brexit that we know he eventually succumbed to a year into the pressure, we would probably be under a Labour government right now in this country.

You probably still haven't got it, but if you need a reminder, start from the beginning of this post.
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By Ter
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skinster wrote:Blair didn't have the entire establishment against him, the entire MSM including left-liberal institutions like the BBC repeatedly referring to him as a terrorist sympathizer

Which he is from where I am sitting

skinster wrote:racist

No that he is not

skinster wrote:U.K. intelligence repeatedly warning against his potential premiershi

In view of his stance on for instance the IRA and the Falklands, they were right to warn against him

skinster wrote:racism smears weaponised


Yes, lots of idiot anti-Semites in the party, I do not understand why that is so?
"For the many, not the Jew!" :lol:

skinster wrote:Without all of those attacks from within and without, and without Corbyn not being pressured by scumbags like Tom Watson to have another vote on Brexit that we know he eventually succumbed to a year into the pressure, we would probably be under a Labour government right now in this country.

I doubt that.
The landslide might have been smaller but Brexit divided the Labour party right through the middle.
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skinster wrote:Blair didn't have the entire establishment against him, the entire MSM including left-liberal institutions like the BBC repeatedly referring to him as a terrorist sympathizer, racist and hundreds of other things for pretty much every day since around 2014/2015 - Blair actually had Murdoch's backing - and Blair didn't have half of his party trying to sabotage his leadership, U.K. intelligence repeatedly warning against his potential premiership, racism smears weaponised against him, a decades-long anti-racist campaigner, or foreign governments like the U.S. and Israel threatening to interfere, attack further and/or do everything in their power to not allow for his premiership, etc.etc.etc.

I find it baffling that you keep comparing the two, even despite the following:







Anyone actually paying attention to what has been happening since Corbyn's leadership bid understand what took place here (that he was being attacked from all sides, including within his own party, and those people ending up winning).

Without all of those attacks from within and without, and without Corbyn not being pressured by scumbags like Tom Watson to have another vote on Brexit that we know he eventually succumbed to a year into the pressure, we would probably be under a Labour government right now in this country.

You probably still haven't got it, but if you need a reminder, start from the beginning of this post.


You posted all this already. It has been debunked so many times....

Blair got 13.7 million in 97 and won 2 more cycles after even with all the policies and steps he took which were not all popular. What did Corbyn achieve? Nothing. He didn't win a general election even once even when the Tories messed up severely. Note that population in 97 was also smaller. How come Blair outperformed Corbyn by so much?

As I said also, he had the usual Tory channels against him along with a stronger Liberal democratic party. Corbyn also crytisized him but he didn't expel or silence Corbyn because he was aware that Corbyn is also Labor. That is a difference between a looser and a winner. :D
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skinster wrote:
He won because propaganda still works; the establishment in its media demonised him to a level never seen before in this country, including left-liberal dogshit like The Guardian and BBC.

The struggle continues. 8)


From what I see on social media it is anti-Johnson everywhere. I think I can say the opposite propaganda is much more rampant but somehow it does not go through.
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Patrickov wrote:From what I see on social media it is anti-Johnson everywhere. I think I can say the opposite propaganda is much more rampant but somehow it does not go through.


It depends on how you look at it actually. There is obviously propaganda from both sides. Labor is pretty good at the social media side of things. Tories are a bit better at the classical print/television narrative. But both sides are present in all mediums to an overwhelming degree compared to any other party in the UK.

As you said, the reality is somewhere else though. The problem for Labor is that their propaganda is not resonating that well with the public compared to the Tories. Although skinster will say that Labor basically is outgunned and outmatched everywhere which is blatantly not true. (How is this possible when they weren't outgunned and outmatched under anybody else besides Corbyn?)
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JohnRawls wrote:
It depends on how you look at it actually. There is obviously propaganda from both sides. Labor is pretty good at the social media side of things. Tories are a bit better at the classical print/television narrative. But both sides are present in all mediums to an overwhelming degree compared to any other party in the UK.

As you said, the reality is somewhere else though. The problem for Labor is that their propaganda is not resonating that well with the public compared to the Tories. Although skinster will say that Labor basically is outgunned and outmatched everywhere which is blatantly not true. (How is this possible when they weren't outgunned and outmatched under anybody else besides Corbyn?)
If they suddenly get outgunned under a new leader (Corbyn) the only explanation I can get to is that there are people who genuinely hate or fear the person in concern (or his supporters).

If the likes of that Member can annihilate those haters then it is fine to me, but apparently they cannot, so I am afraid not many are eligible to take their blame apart of themselves.
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Patrickov wrote:
If they suddenly get outgunned under a new leader (Corbyn) the only explanation I can get to is that there are people who genuinely hate or fear the person in concern...



They don't like him.

Relax, have a cup of coffee.
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