[Beren]

The endless moral masturbation over the evil of the Nazis and why didn't the Germans do something only continued.

Orwell brilliantly explained the dynamics of totalitarianism in 1984, however, some elements of the Wehrmacht made a serious (and failed) attempt to depose Hitler. Once totalitarianism is there, nothing (or not much at least) can be done about it from the inside actually, besides Orwell we can know that from history too.

[Beren]

You don't like me because I am Latina. You don't like Latinas. Admit it....

You're the most concerned with your own ethnic background here actually. I'm sure you opened this thread because you consider the Germans the opposite of the great Hispanic people, who'd never follow Hitler, I guess.

[Rich]

All I am asking is for you not wear a pagan flag when you go crusading against the Jews. Do it under you own flag.

I supported the recognition of the annexation of Jerusalem. Its even possible that my call to recognise the annexation of the Golan on this forum may have been picked up by someone with influence in the Trump administration. I support the reoccupation of the Sinai and Israel control over the Canal. I support the reoccupation of southern Lebanon. My pro Israel credentials few can match.

But even if I did I want to launch a crusade against the Jewish State why in Mars's name shouldn't it be under a Pagan flag? Did not Vespasian fight under a Pagan flag? Did not Severus fight under a Pagan flag? Did not the Assyrians, the Babylonians and Alexander the Great fight under Pagan flags. None of them showed much concern for Jewish rights.

I've stated a number a times that I think that Adolph Hitler should have been sentenced to death by acts of Parliament, Congress and the Chamber of Deputies. I support the war of September 1939. I think regime regime should have been one of the peace demands. I think the war should have started 5 months earlier and all the democracies should have taken part.

Let me repeat that I think all the democracies should have declared war on Hitler in March 1939. However people who want to declare war on the Nazis in 2020 I hold in total and utter contempt. In the same way I support the Cold War against the Soviet Union, but hold in contempt those that war monger against Russia in 2020.

[Tainari88]

Well @Beren I never have thought my 'group' was unique in human history. They have their fair share of fascists in their ranks, including the most famous one Francisco Franco from Spain, that Hitler respected his boundaries. Franco being a pragmatic Spaniard knew that Spain could not take another war after the bloodiest Spanish civil war they had.

Straussner, Somoza and many other right-wing fashy dictators have existed in our world. I would say the Spaniards had the biggest ugliest disputes among themselves. So, no, I never believed that.

You think I don't notice I am one of the few women and few women of my background on PoFo? I notice everything here Beren. I don't harbor illusions about where I fit in a world of men who love their own egos more than anything and project it in this medium. Filled with wanting to be right all the time. Even when they are not.

Are you one of those Beren? Yes I think you are. Because you want to think i am who you think I am. You don't know me. And obviously you don't care about that as well.

They play the victim even when they are the majority. A sad state of affairs for the fragile egos of a male in this place.

[Beren]

Well @Beren I never have thought my 'group' was unique in human history. They have their fair share of fascists in their ranks, including the most famous one Francisco Franco from Spain, that Hitler respected his boundaries. Franco being a pragmatic Spaniard knew that Spain could not take another war after the bloodiest Spanish civil war they had.

Straussner, Somoza and many other right-wing fashy dictators have existed in our world. I would say the Spaniards had the biggest ugliest disputes among themselves. So, no, I never believed that.

In this case you just wanted to point out that the evil itself wasn't Hispanic at least, neither was it a woman, of course.

You think I don't notice I am one of the few women and few women of my background on PoFo? I notice everything here Beren. I don't harbor illusions about where I fit in a world of men who love their own egos more than anything and project it in this medium. Filled with wanting to be right all the time. Even when they are not.

Are you one of those Beren? Yes I think you are. Because you want to think i am who you think I am. You don't know me. And obviously you don't care about that as well.

They play the victim even when they are the majority. A sad state of affairs for the fragile egos of a male in this place.

So, besides your ethnicity, you're super-concerned with your gender too? I wonder if being a female or being Hispanic is the more wonderful or even exciting experience to you. Or are they just inseparable while creating your great Latina identity opposed to egotistic white males?

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88
I will not bore anyone with my personal WIP theology here, it would be off-topic if nothing else. Perhaps I will start another thread for it.

The Swastika is not the "Nazi Cross", they "culturally appropriated" it. Go to India or a Buddhist country and you will see it everywhere. Before WW2 it was a good luck symbol in the west too. It is very old, going back to pre-history.

Also why would you of accuse me of hating latinas? What are you up to?

I know about the cross. Such a cool symbol being appropriated and you protest. Lol.

I was pulling your leg SolarCross. Geez, you can't take a joke?

Ay SolarCross you don't remember how we first started exchanging with each other? You were defending England? Saying how no one should speak ill of England?

Well, your beef with the Germans was about the cross? Is that all? I think getting bombed from the sky would create issues with any 'enemy' group.

@Beren do you think about who you are all day? I bet you don't. You think about like most human beings about what to have for breakfast, what needs to get done that day, what your plans are, who you got to talk to, going out in a pandemic with a mask on, and other practical matters of that nature.

You also think about how you project shit that you have in your head about others....like I think about my vagina and breasts all day long. Obsessed with my 'difference' with all you sausage men here. I don't. Lol. Too busy focusing on the arguments presented and thinking? Where can I get some substance. Something that interests me and might be fun to explore.

As much as this topic of--why did Germans follow Hitler? All of you out of your own free will came to participate with your diverse opinions. In terms of gender? How many of you here are women? Is it just me? Why? You all should try to find more women to discuss politics. Misty Tiger hardly ever ventures out of the TLTE. Skinster does and she doesn't care but she took about two years of never venturing out of that TLTE either. Rei was well respected here. She respected me a lot. But? She left. And she wasn't a heterosexual woman and could not care less about males thinking they were superior.

It seems to me, you need to be more inclusive and do some liberal seminars on inclusivity for PoFo and be open to the feminine opinion. LOL. I just don't see your fragile egos going for it though.

You have to smile at your sensitivities. @Beren you got to accept, the multicultural inconsistencies of the liberals ruling the world right now....has the men all up in arms about shit that is unimportant. That is what I think. Beren. The Great.

[SolarCross]

It seems to me, you need to be more inclusive and do some liberal seminars on inclusivity for PoFo and be open to the feminine opinion. LOL. I just don't see your fragile egos going for it though.

This must be more "leg pulling" because no one is excluding anyone. If there are not so many females participating that is on them, no one is stopping them. Probably they just are not interested, or have better things to do with their time.

[Beren]

@Beren do you think about who you are all day? I bet you don't.

I bet you do because your whole PoFo presence is a Jovial Socialist Latina Mother identity fest.

[Tainari88]

This must be more "leg pulling" because no one is excluding anyone. If there are not so many females participating that is on them, no one is stopping them. Probably they just are not interested, or have better things to do with their time.

Haven't you ever wondered why you have time on your hands for political commentary and somehow a lot of women don't?

Anyway, I do like pulling your leg SolarCross. I always have. Why? Because of these kinds of answers you give me.

You know I always wanted to know why such a successful company like Lufthansa, BMW, Volkswagen that were born basically in Nazi Germany are never given credit for its innovation and engineering feats?

The Allies want always to claim glory. Rich is right about that.

[Tainari88]

I bet you do because your whole PoFo presence is a Jovial Socialist Latina Mother identity fest.

Oh, I am not allowed to be that on a politics board? Who are you to tell me who I am? Lol. If you don't like it? I don't care. I like it. And I like discussing politics and not being morose and depressed and never talking about my children and trying to fit in.

I don't care about people who are always looking to try to pick a fight about shit that is worthless to fight about.

No, I think for some reason you are trying to patrol the territory. Who knows why?

Fragile egos I would say.

[Beren]

Oh, I am not allowed to be that on a politics board? Who are you to tell me who I am? Lol. If you don't like it? I don't care. I like it. And I like discussing politics and not being morose and depressed and never talking about my children and trying to fit in.

I don't care about people who are always looking to try to pick a fight about shit that is worthless to fight about.

No, I think for some reason you are trying to patrol the territory. Who knows why?

Fragile egos I would say.

To me you're just a fucking annoying person actually, sharing her identity issues and banalities rather than worthy opinions or ideas.

[Tainari88]

To me you're just a fucking annoying person actually, sharing her identity issues rather than worthy opinions or ideas.

Oh thank you for that. Now I know how fragile you actually get.

Only you have worthy opinions and ideas? Such a big ego you got.

I rest my case.

Hee hee.

I will keep my opinion of your overblown ego to myself. Otherwise risk a card.

[Beren]

Oh thank you for that. Now I know how fragile you actually get.

How is it a matter of fragility? Do I have a fragile ego as well if a barking dog or a meowing cat annoys me?

Only you have worthy opinions and ideas? Such a big ego you got.

I'd have a big ego indeed if I believed that, however, I only believe your banalities are just that, banalities.

[Tainari88]

How is it a matter of fragility? Do I have a fragile ego as well if a barking dog or a meowing cat annoys me?


I'd have a big ego indeed if I believed that, however, I only believe your banalities are just that, banalities.

Beren, are you going to take the German followers topic any further? Or are you so into defending your opinion of my identity 'issues' as the big obsession with your opinions?

Who are you? A social democrat from Hungary? I don't care about your Hungarian identity either Beren.

I don't know you at all. Which is normal considering this board has thousands of members in it.

You think me banal. I don't care dude. I got friends I met in real life through this board and wound up loving a few of them. A good thing in life.

You can't run away from what makes you who you are. The only people who think they don't have a damn identity are the ones still immature enough to run from it because they are ashamed of it.

I am not. So I got nothing to hide.


You sure are sidetracking the conversation. Was it because I teased SolarCross? SolarCross' opinions I have been reading on here for years. Some of them I agree with and others I don't agree with. The same with others on here.

You? I don't know you from Adam. Only what I just read on your profile? No one has time to read through posters on thousands of different topics. I know this board is mainly men. It doesn't keep me from having an opinion and writing on here. it never has. i don't care if people curse my mother (which has happened), say shit about my children (which has happened), threaten to kill me (which has happened) and who make fun of all kinds of shit.

Most people being irritated by what others say that have never been offensive to them personally before (I don't think I have every offended you before personally), but who are annoyed and call someone banal and etc? Has to do about them. Not me.

Who knows what it is. Could be the pandemic is getting you irritated and you are in a bad mood in Budhapest. Such a lovely city. Budha and Pest the tale of two cities. Or it could be you got a beef with women this week. Or it could be the German followers topic is boring to you now and you want to pick a fight.

I don't care Mr. Beren.

I will add another bit to carry the topic along and you can go have a cup of tea wherever you are in the world and continue your monologue about my annoying self....


Where did the Hitler dream fall and die? This battle was key.

[Beren]

Beren, are you going to take the German followers topic any further?

No, I'm actually finished with it, and you too.

[Tainari88]

I thought this explanation of the Battle of Stalingrad quite interesting, I am hoping @Potemkin would chime in with an opinion when he is not busy:

The Soviets and the Red Army were definitely outgunned, outnumbered and were going to get hit hard.

I always wonder where civilians get the strength to endure such things? Those are the interesting aspects of studying wars. How people get through a lot of hardships.