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The US has suffered a history defeat at the UN security council on a vote for its proposal to extend the UN arms embargo on Iran. The only country that voted with the US was the Dominican Republic.

After 4 years in office, Trump has completely isolated the US. The only ally left is the Dominican Republic. So much winning, eh Donald! :lol:

Having left the Iran deal, the Trump administration now has the gall to try and use the deal to snap back to the sanctions.

US officials have said that following the defeat of the arms embargo resolution, they would embark within days on a legally controversial tactic in an effort to restore UN sanctions lifted when Iran signed a nuclear deal with major powers in 2015.

The deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), has a mechanism that allows any of the parties to the agreement to “snap back” UN sanctions on Iran.

Trump withdrew the US from the JCPOA in 2018 but US diplomats and lawyers will argue it is still technically a party to the agreement and therefore empowered to snap back sanctions. Most of the rest of the world, including some of Washington’s closest allies, disagrees, but the Trump administration has so far shown itself ready to proceed virtually alone.

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Suzanne DiMaggio, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment Institute for Peace, said that the US focus was not on building coalitions on the issue but on provoking a diplomatic confrontation at the UN to please Trump’s core supporters.


US sees embarrassing UN defeat over Iran arms embargo proposal

I guess the Iran deal is to Trump what the Hagia Sophia is to Erdogan ...

The rest of the UNSC thinks Pompeo’s idea is crazy, that he can trigger the snap back provision even though the US pulled out of the treaty, telling CNN, “You can’t have your cake and eat it too.”

Some observers are so puzzled by the Trump administration’s Himalayan ineptitude that they expressed suspicions that it was trying to fail at the UNSC for some nefarious purpose. Me, I think ineptitude is the better explanation.


No Longer Leader of the Free World: Trump Admin. Humiliated at UN over Iran Arms Embargo
#15113740
The zionist puppets engaged in piracy the other day, confiscating a number of Iranian tankers heading to Venezuela in international waters. China's belt and road initiative is going to destroy America's influence across Afro-Eurasia. Iran is already firmly in China's sphere of influence and the first round of the equivalent $400 billion country building/reconstruction project has begun, and it's not in US dollars.
#15113886
This interpretation is anti-American propaganda.

If most countries voted "no" then I agree the statement being true. The reality is, only Russia and China, the real pariahs of the Earth, voted no.

All others merely abstained.
#15113893
Patrickov wrote:The reality is, only Russia and China, the real pariahs of the Earth, voted no.

Reality is that China seems to lead the UN while the US appears to be in opposition. A former world leader turning into a pariah state left with "allies" such as the Dominican Republic. :lol:

The BBC wrote:Coronavirus: Trump moves to pull US out of World Health Organization

7 July 2020

ImageDonald Trump has accused the WHO of being under China's control

President Donald Trump has formally moved to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization (WHO).

The president had made his intentions clear in late May, accusing the WHO of being under China's control in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic.

He could have accused the whole UN of being under China's control. :lol:
#15113895
Atlantis wrote:The US has suffered a history defeat at the UN security council on a vote for its proposal to extend the UN arms embargo on Iran. The only country that voted with the US was the Dominican Republic.

After 4 years in office, Trump has completely isolated the US. The only ally left is the Dominican Republic. So much winning, eh Donald! :lol:

Having left the Iran deal, the Trump administration now has the gall to try and use the deal to snap back to the sanctions.



US sees embarrassing UN defeat over Iran arms embargo proposal

I guess the Iran deal is to Trump what the Hagia Sophia is to Erdogan ...



No Longer Leader of the Free World: Trump Admin. Humiliated at UN over Iran Arms Embargo


Why would we care what the UN thinks about anything? We control the waters, and we control the financial levers.... if people go against our sanctions we can easily make it not in their interest to do so.
#15113905
Patrickov wrote:All others merely abstained.


In the real world, not voting with the US "ally" is deeply offensive to the US. I remember, when Germany abstained from voting with the Western allies for bombing Libya everybody was shocked about Germany. If it were just one country not voting with the US, the US would punish that country, but since nobody votes with the US, the US would only hurt itself. But it's doing that anyways.

In your hatred for Beijing, you deliberately ignore the nastiness of Yankee imperialism.

As for me, I condemn both.

Oxymoron wrote:Why would we care what the UN thinks about anything? We control the waters, and we control the financial levers.... if people go against our sanctions we can easily make it not in their interest to do so.


Arrogance will be your undoing. But I do explicitly encourage you in your erroneous ways ... :lol:
#15113940
Beren wrote:He could have accused the whole UN of being under China's control. :lol:


It is. Of course, when the UN was established none of the founders expect the wave of "independence", meaning a lot of "countries" who don't know the better appeared.
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Atlantis wrote:In the real world, not voting with the US "ally" is deeply offensive to the US.


Irrelevant. I expect some of those countries being antagonistic to the United States and would gleefully follow Russia and China, but none of them do.


Atlantis wrote:In your hatred for Beijing, you deliberately ignore the nastiness of Yankee imperialism.


What do you expect for someone living in Hong Kong and not an admirer of the Chinese way of doing things exactly because my understanding to it?

EDIT: Anglo Imperialism is only a problem for countries who actually do not have a better system. Europe "seemed like" suffering because they had fought a war too many times. They are in the process of standing up so I don't find there's a problem.
#15114278
Atlantis wrote:In the real world, not voting with the US "ally" is deeply offensive to the US. I remember, when Germany abstained from voting with the Western allies for bombing Libya everybody was shocked about Germany.


I'm reminded of the American name change of French fries to "freedom fries" :D as a response to France's refusal to join the invasion of Iraq, 2003.
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Patrickov wrote:
EDIT: Anglo Imperialism is only a problem for countries who actually do not have a better system. Europe "seemed like" suffering because they had fought a war too many times. They are in the process of standing up so I don't find there's a problem.



*Or* the world globalized to its ultimate point in the early 20th century, and the respective regional empires had nowhere else to colonize, and inevitably butted heads, leading into World War I, in Europe.

Europe has *always* been relatively fragmented, and is having serious trouble holding the Euro (European Common Market) together.

The *rest* of the world has been sucked-into the European empires' wars, mostly because of European colonization in recent centuries.

Also:



November 2017 marked the centenary of two of the most decisive events in the twentieth century: the Bolshevik-led revolution in Russia and the Balfour Declaration in Britain. The Russian Revolution was executed by the Bolsheviks in the name of peace and international socialism; the Balfour Declaration was a British government commitment to support a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine. This was not simply a remarkable coincidence. At loggerheads were two mutually exclusive political objectives: the one to promote worldwide, anti-imperialist revolution; the other, to further British imperial interests in the Middle East.



https://mronline.org/2018/01/29/bolshev ... ntenaries/
#15114619
Following its historic defeat at the UN Security Council, the US is now trying to use the "snap-back" clause of the Iran Deal even though the US has left the deal a couple of years ago.

This exemplifies US disregard for international law, the sovereignty of other nations and the UN Security Council. The US has turned into a rogue power that unilaterally imposes extraterritorial law on other countries while refusing to respect international law agreed to by virtually every nation on this planet. A handful of cowboys and gangster in a small country representing merely 4% of the world population has usurped the international rules based system to arbitrarily impose its dictate on 96% of the world population. This has to stop; and it will stop. I have no doubt that.

The self-serving and arbitrary thinking of the US' ruling elite since the illegal Iraq invasion shows that they have nothing in common with the rest of the world. Even Putin, Xi or Kim are viewed as more rational than the US leadership. That is how the US is now viewed by the world: a malignant parasite that willfully threatens the peace and stability of the world.

European countries oppose US sanctions move on Iran, deepening rift at UN

Pompeo personally submitted a letter to the president of the UN Security Council and Secretary-General Antonio Guterres in New York, accusing Iran of “significant” non-compliance with the terms of the 2015 historic accord, according to a copy seen by AFP.

It is intended to launch the start of the process to snapback sanctions on Iran that threatens to torpedo the historic 2015 nuclear accord and threatens to plunge the Security Council into crisis.

It also widens the gulf between the US and almost every other Security Council member on Iran policy, which began when President Donald Trump withdrew from the nuclear agreement in 2018.

The procedure, never before used, comes after the US suffered a humiliating defeat at the Security Council last week when it failed to muster support for a resolution to extend a conventional arms embargo on Iran.

The snapback aims to restore all international sanctions against Iran that were lifted as part of the nuclear agreement with Tehran in exchange for it agreeing not to develop nuclear weapons.

But it also threatens to sink that historic deal, known officially as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which Britain, France and Germany—along with Russia and China—are trying to save.

Britain, France and Germany released a joint statement saying they would not support the action “which is incompatible” with efforts to preserve the JCPOA.

We call on all UNSC members to refrain from any action that would only deepen divisions in the Security Council or that would have serious adverse consequences on its work,” they said.

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The snapback procedure is supposed to lead to the re-establishment of sanctions after 30 days, without the possibility of any members, namely Russia and China, wielding their vetoes.

European countries on the Security Council say the US gave up their right as a participant when Trump pulled out of the deal in May 2018 and reimposed American sanctions as part of his “maximum pressure” campaign against the Iranian regime.

There’s no doubt the Trump White House is using snapback as a desperate last gambit to burn the JCPOA house down before the US elections,” Ellie Geranmayeh, an Iran expert at the European Council on Foreign Relations, told AFP.

“This move will leave the UN Security Council in one big mess, with competing narratives among world powers over if the UN sanctions against Iran should be reinforced,” she said.


All this just because Americans had to elect a nasty little narcissistic man-child who wants to undo every policy decision of the Obama administration because he suffers from a gigantic inferiority complex. :knife:
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