[noemon]

Back in June, Astrazeneca partnered with India's Cepi and Gavin and the Serum institute in order "to bring vaccines to low and middle-income countries".

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centr ... ccine.html

The UK has announced it is taking 10 million vaccines produced in India by these companies and destined for poor countries, for itself:

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SKCN2AV0A2

[B0ycey]

Indeed. And we have already had 5m of them. The other 5m we were told to wait a month.

The notion we are all in this together seems to be lost.

[fuser]

So not only they are refusing to share the know-how but they are using the production facilities for poorer countries for their own use.

*Fuck the poor* at an international scale

The UK government said the agreement follows assurances from the SII that providing doses to the UK would not impact its commitment to provide vaccines to poorer countries.

Yeah right.. I mean who the fuck believes this shit.

[Saeko]

So not only they are refusing to share the know-how but they are using the production facilities for poorer countries for their own use.

*Fuck the poor* at an international scale



Yeah right.. I mean who the fuck believes this shit.

Technically, they're telling the truth. It won't have any impact on their commitment to help poor countries because, in reality, no such commitment exists.

[Rugoz]

"seizes"? The UK didn't seize anything.

P.S. I love how everybody is shitting on AstraZeneca when it's the only company in the West that made a non-profit pledge and actually produces vaccines cheap enough to be used in the developing world.

[noemon]

"seizes"? The UK didn't seize anything.

Yes, the vaccines were rerouted to the UK via immaculate conception.

P.S. I love how everybody is shitting on AstraZeneca when it's the only company in the West that made a non-profit pledge and actually produces vaccines cheap enough to be used in the developing world.

That's because nobody believes the folk-stories coming out of the press after the fight the company gave so as to not have its contracts published and all the figures that were censored in the process.

Why should anyone believe a word? On what basis exactly?

[Rugoz]

Yes, the vaccines were rerouted to the UK via immaculate conception.

The article talks about acquisition and procurement, "seizes" is nowhere to be found. It's pure conjecture from your part.

It's misleading and dishonest to back up a claim with a source that says nothing of the sort.

[noemon]

It's not conjecture, it's reality, it's reporting a fact that the UK has seized 10 million vaccine doses from India that were supposed to go to lower-income countries for itself. If you want to play semantics and rephrase this fact in a different way then go on.

AZ has been caught red handed today by Italian authorities effectively smuggling 29 million vaccines to the UK while pretending it is facing "manufacturing problems" in its Halix plant and hence its refusal to complete its application process (which the EU has promised to grant immediately) and start supplying the EU from the Netherlands.



https://www.politico.eu/article/italian ... la-stampa/

[Heisenberg]

I agree the use of "seizes" is an exaggeration. But it is still ridiculous that the UK is receiving doses from India when there are AstraZeneca plants in Britain and Europe producing vaccines already.

[noemon]

I find it absolutely appropriate because that is precisely what it is de facto.

[Heisenberg]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the UK. I'm sure there are plenty of backdoor inducements, threats and other bullshit at play here.

[B0ycey]

Seize is the wrong term because they paid a premium for them. India knew about it anyway but stopped the second shipment because they want the vaccines themselves. So the UK will have to wait a month.

But I don't want to sound like I am attacking the OP. The UK is using contracts to their advantage and those who are poor are losing out. I think that was the point being made, perhaps too aggressively, and I agree with that point nonetheless.

[noemon]

Seize is the wrong term because they paid a premium for them.

Evidence required.

India knew about it anyway but stopped the second shipment because they want the vaccines themselves. So the UK will have to wait a month.

Also evidence required.

India was caught off guard that vaccines were being rerouted to the UK and intervened just like the EU did.

None of these vaccines manufactured in the EU and India are the UK's vaccines by some kind of birth right or as often trumpeted "contractual obligation" when that contract remains opaque and as such the product of fantasy.

[B0ycey]

Evidence required.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-56438629

[noemon]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-56438629

No evidence presented.

Try again by citing specific evidence that these vaccines from India and the EU somehow belong to the UK with a premium paid.

[B0ycey]

No evidence presented.

Try again by citing specific evidence that these vaccines from India and the EU somehow belong to the UK with a premium paid.

I'm on my phone Noemon. The evidence is there. Delay, will make up next month, contracts and no mention of seizing.

[noemon]

No mate, fantastic commentary does not pass for evidence.

Remittance and invoice for the particular passes for evidence.

You claimed the UK paid a premium for these vaccines made in India, provide invoice and remittance according to the UK's contract with AZ as the EU has done already.

[B0ycey]

No mate, fantastic commentary does not pass for evidence.

Remittance and invoice for the particular passes for evidence.

You claimed the UK paid a premium for these vaccines made in India, provide invoice and remittance according to the UK's contract with AZ as the EU has done already.

You want me to provide an invoice for something that is confidential? It has been reported that the government paid a premium to get them quickly. But even if you don't want to believe me, my comment is on your claim about the vaccines being seized and as such doesn't actually matter what they paid. So how about you support your claim?

[noemon]

Whatever is reported by a government who refuses to publish its contract citing "national security" can be safely assumed to be false and the exact opposite of what is claimed.

The EU has published her contract and challenged the UK to prove its claims by supplying its own.

As long as the UK refuses to be transparent there can only be one safe conclusion especially in the face of overwhelming evidence like those 29 million vaccines uncovered in the EU.

[JohnRawls]

Whatever. This is not news anymore. It has been abundantly clear that UK is not a good faith partner and that EU can't trust the UK anymore. Appropriate steps will be taken in regards to UK-EU relationship.