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#15221298
Rugoz wrote:So what's the problem. :eh:


I don't know, what is your problem? :eh:

- It says nothing about "costs to be paid by Yugoslavia", only about being free of taxation of fees.


In the end, on 18 March 1999, the Albanian, American and British delegation signed what became known as the 'Rambouillet Accords'[5] while the Serbian and Russian delegations refused. The accords called for NATO administration of Kosovo as an autonomous province within Yugoslavia; a force of 30,000 NATO troops to maintain order in Kosovo; an unhindered right of passage for NATO troops on Yugoslav territory, including Kosovo; and immunity for NATO and its agents to Yugoslav law. In addition, NATO forces would have the right to use local roads, ports, railways, and airports without payment of duties, dues, tolls or charges, as well as the right to use the electromagnetic spectrum without payment. NATO would also have the right to requisition public facilities for its use free of cost. NATO forces would have the right to hire local personnel who upon employment with NATO would be exempt from local laws in respect to acts performed in their official capacity, national service obligations, local labor laws, and taxes on their salaries. Local infrastructure would be subjected to improvements or modifications to by NATO forces when deemed necessary to facilitate the mission.[1]


It's explained re-interpreted here


Nobody cares about imaginary interpretations. The accord was a pathetic document that acted as a pretext for NATO's bombardment.

In 1999, it was estimated that 488–527 Yugoslav civilians died as a result of NATO bombing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_ ... h_analysis
Not 2,500 or that half of those were Kosovo Albanians (which makes no bloody sense in the first place). Your source is a Serbian/Russian propagana rag.


Between you 2, you are a far worse propagandist that has difficulty accepting the hubris of the accords let alone claimed numbers, impossible to verify. But as I already said I do not care to convince you about these numbers, you are definitely not going to convince me and certainly not with this attitude.

It has already been established that western media did not even care being filmed by Serbian crews while editing propaganda images because they "rightly" believed western media would drown out Serbian media especially back in the 90's when social media had not happened yet and all information was dominated by the major news channels, it has also been established by UN officials(with sources posted by myself in this thread) that the west exaggerated the casualties by a factor of 4(this happens both ways, exagerating the casualties on the other side and reducing the casualties on its side). So this needs to be accounted for when talking about "media coverage" of the Yugoslav war when the US had declared the "end of history" and itself as the sole hegemon.
#15221641
Sandzak wrote:@noemon Why you can not admitt, it was an orthodox crusade?


If you mean a crusade against the Orthodox possibly, similar to the one in Syria where the west took the side of ISIS against the Orthodox inhabitants, same in Cyprus where the US took the side of Turkish Islamists and so on and forth and same in Kossovo where the US bombed Serbia to smithereens for the KLA, an Islamic terrorist organisation providing cocaine to the European market.

Serbia did not start the war, so a crusade it cannot be by definition, you started the war.

Why can you not admit that you were played for fools? You were told to remove your signature from peace plans you had already signed way before any "atrocities" took place. You consented to the destruction of your country. And you never got a better deal out of it.

You have had enough hindsight already to go by.

Even Emir Kusturica, possibly the greatest Bosniak Muslim thinker/philosopher of our times(and one my own personal intellectual heroes) took the side of Serbia though not without reservations and criticised a lot but fundamentally he took the side of Serbia indeed.
#15221644
Serbia started the war first against Catholics, for Orthodox are Protestants also Catholics, all orthodox nations the Serbs let go in peace without terretorial demands. all others in genocide.


A Serb said about Ukraine:
1/3 Catholics
1/3 Eastern-Catholics (accept the the primate of the Pope but have orthodox ritus)
1/3 real Orthodox
#15221652
Nobody [should] care what a Serb whacko might have told you or not.

The Serbs have been betrayed, bombarded and seriously injured by the west, physically, nationally, psychologically; for the "average" Serb out there, Russia is salvation and rightfully so. The only champion that could redeem them but it couldn't and wouldn't either.

Still there are enough educated people in Serbia to discern nuance, like myself for example.

The bottom line is that the Serbs and Serbia as a country accepted your right to self-determination, for the Muslims and the Catholics, they accepted from very early on that if you want to go your own way, then fine whatever but so will the Serbs do the same.

You still have not accepted this and you still insist that the Serbs of Bosnia should live under Muslim Bosniak rule which they officially at least still are.

How can you blame them for something is beyond me, truly.
#15221656
Srebrenica has always been part of RS and Serbia.

Why do you not accept the right of Serbian people to self-determination?

Why can't the Serbs go their own way and especially after all this?

You started the war to go your own way, you did go your own way, why can't they go their own way?

Such crimes should be punished not honoured by territorial gain.


It's quite amazing how you dissociate Bosniak Muslims, Albanians and Americans from crimes during the Yugoslav wars despite the fact that civilians were open season for everyone, especially when you start the war yourself, you refuse to sign the peace and then refuse to recognize the same right to the other side that you supposedly fought for, .ie the right to self-determination. Lastly, there is no territorial gain, the Serbs were in RS, still are and will clearly be forever.
#15221658
Sandzak wrote:Self determination what is with self determination of Sandzak the 1st republic of Yugoslavia.
We are also 800 000 like the RS.


The people of the Sandzak should do as they please.

The total population is 385k people, 180k Muslim Bosniaks and 130k Serbs.

The RS does not want to be under Bosniak Muslim control and why should or would they?

Why should the whole of Donetsk, Luhansk and Donbass be under Russian control?

It clearly shouldn't.
#15221660
Sandzak wrote:Simple as that. There are rules in international politics.

Territorial integrity is a piller of World order.


1) You did not care about Yugoslav territorial integrity.

2) Noone in the world recognises Russia's right to the territorial integrity of the DNR and LNR. Why would anyone recognise Bosniak Muslim right over the RS that is almost 100% Serbian inhabited?

Integrity is hard to come by though indeed.
#15221662
noemon wrote:1) You did not care about Yugoslav territorial integrity.
.


You have no clue.

According Yugoslav Constitution could any Republic declare independence after an Referendum with over 55% of votes.

It was an 6 equal republics federation. Not "Great Serbia" what Milosevic wanted. He was the first Nationalist politician.
#15221663
Sandzak wrote:You have no clue.

According Yugoslav Constitution could any Republic declare independence after an Referendum with over 55% of votes.

It was an 6 equal republics federation. Not "Great Serbia" what Milosevic wanted. He was the first Nationalist politician.


The right to self-determination in the Yugoslav constitution & in the Bosniak one but also in international law applies to nations.

The Serbs were constitutionally a constituent nation in the constitution of the republic of Bosnia & Herzegovina.

I have a good clue that the right that you call other people to recognise for you, you do not recognise for the Serbs, despite the fact that it was written in your constitution in black & white until your Muslim nationalists removed it both from the letter and the spirit of the law.
#15221666
Karabach option is also on the table. The cleanest war in decades.


RS can be united with Serbia but just in the EU... everything else leads to Karabach




It halted even the Russian advance... Erdogan Turkey is a different Turkey.



The Bayraktar does Ukraine self produce for years... turks got rocketengines.


Looks bad for Serb Ally Russia. In the Kosovo war Serbia lost the 6th largest army of the cold War by numbers (JNA). so they should not make to much demands.





1 Million and it kills enemy air defense this means they can kill any tank.
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#15221667
Sandzak wrote:Karabach option is also on the table. The cleanest war in decades.
Looks bad for Serb Ally Russia.


Russia is irrelevant, if you pick yet another fight with the Serbs, you will not have anyone by your side.

Bullshit is not as easy, anymore.

Serbia will be in the EU before Bosnia.
#15221670
Sandzak wrote:Serbia has no JNA

we have an army from start what we had not last war. 8)

For Kosovo counts the same

EDIT: IN VINO VERITAS :)

In the Kosovo war Serbia lost the 6th largest army of the cold War by numbers (JNA). so they should not make to much demands.


The Serbs were bombarded by the full force of NATO aircraft, drones, fighter jets and bombers. Live action GI Joe exhibitionism.

They still shot this one down with ancient soviet rockets.

Image

Why are you itching to fight the Serbs again, I do not understand?
#15221672
noemon wrote:The Serbs were bombarded by the full force of NATO aircraft, drones, fighter jets and bombers. Live action GI Joe exhibitionism.

They still shot this one down with ancient soviet rockets.

Image

Why are you itching to fight the Serbs again, I do not understand?



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