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Telegraph wrote:A union study also identified the drawbacks of work outside the office, including social isolation and an 'always-on culture'

Civil servants should have their heating paid for by the Government so they can continue working from home, union bosses have said.

The FDA union, which represents more than 22,000 senior officials, has produced its largest study to date of officials’ views on remote and hybrid working.

It is scathing of ministers’ “blinkered rush to get civil servants back to offices”, which has left officials feeling “patronised and infantilised”.

The report found that some civil servants were left “feeling like they're back at school” because their departments had conducted or threatened “school registers” of who was in attendance.

At the top of its four recommendations is that “departments and government give all employees who work remotely or in a hybrid model an allowance to help towards increased energy and utility costs, as well as the necessary equipment for remote working to be safe and effective”.

It is the latest in a Whitehall war of words since Covid rules were scrapped, with Jacob Rees-Mogg, when he was Government efficiency minister, leaving notes on desks and enforcing strict quotas.

Surveys by the FDA found 74 per cent of members did most of their work from home, while 87 per cent preferred to work at least three of five days a week from home going forward.

However, the study identified the clear drawbacks of working from home, including that it creates social isolation and an “always-on culture” that strips the “right to disconnect”.

As a result, the Government should consider a “wide-reaching hybrid-work strategy” similar to that in Ireland, the report says, with “remote-working hubs” across the country to allow officials to see their colleagues when they wish and enhance the levelling up agenda.


The FDA commissioned Public First polling in July, which has only just been released. It found the public are “largely apathetic” about the issue of work from home, with 78 per cent in the so-called ‘Red Wall’ agreeing there are larger issues for the Government to deal with.

One official surveyed lashed out at the “disastrous” impact of his Government department’s mandate for employees to spend 40 per cent of the week in office, claiming it had led to “a ridiculous school register exercise” and receiving “vague and implicit threats”.

The report concluded the benefits of hybrid work outweighed the negatives and that civil servants are “almost unanimous” in their “profound dislike” of back-to-office drives and it risks undoing strides in equality.

It concluded: “This is incredibly damaging, and this attitude cannot be allowed to continue, otherwise talented individuals will leave the civil service.”


Attendance records? Insulting & demeaning.
Free energy for your house if you work for the government.

I have historically supported pro-welfare policies in countries like the US where I recognise that inequality is too big, there is no free healthcare and university bills are so high.

I have also historically supported pro-business policies in countries like Greece, France and Italy where the economy has been stagnating due to bloatedness, large deficits and low returns on investment.

The UK had managed to strike a balance between these 2 worlds that was workable but has now crossed the threshold into a high-tax low growth bloated economy with very bad infrastructure & anemic R&D.

The new Budget has condemned us all to stagnation until 2027 at the best case scenario, when we hope to return to our 2007 levels.

We were supposed to achieve that in 2017, then it was revised to 2022 and now it has been revised to 2027, who knows we may never reach our 2007 income levels again.

The good news is that we will effectively go back to the EU as soon as possibly next year. The Tories are openly discussing adopting the Swiss model of pretense. Officially out, but effectively in through a method of copy/pasting laws which we are already doing anyway.
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noemon wrote:Disagreeing....we 're not disagreeing.


Oh. I must have misconstrued your post.

It’s a pretty cheeky proposal. There’s a lot of people who have really embraced the flexibility that’s come WFH post Covid. It would be sad to see it disappear because they overplay their hand :hmm:
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AFAIK wrote:Plenty of employers compensate their staff for their commutes. It's funny that those who demand that they aren't left to freeze to death at home are considered unreasonable.


Maybe I’m being a bitch. I apologize. But it just seems to me that the more you involve your employer in your private life, the more they get to dictate what you do in it *shrugs*
#15256383
noemon wrote:Attendance records? Insulting & demeaning.
Free energy for your house if you work for the government.

I have historically supported pro-welfare policies in countries like the US where I recognise that inequality is too big, there is no free healthcare and university bills are so high.

I have also historically supported pro-business policies in countries like Greece, France and Italy where the economy has been stagnating due to bloatedness, large deficits and low returns on investment.

The UK had managed to strike a balance between these 2 worlds that was workable but has now crossed the threshold into a high-tax low growth bloated economy with very bad infrastructure & anemic R&D.

The new Budget has condemned us all to stagnation until 2027 at the best case scenario, when we hope to return to our 2007 levels.

We were supposed to achieve that in 2017, then it was revised to 2022 and now it has been revised to 2027, who knows we may never reach our 2007 income levels again.

The good news is that we will effectively go back to the EU as soon as possibly next year. The Tories are openly discussing adopting the Swiss model of pretense. Officially out, but effectively in through a method of copy/pasting laws which we are already doing anyway.


I don't think that it is sellable. Switzerland provides "Cohesion" payments to the EU, in a sense they are contributing to EU budget without a voice. I doubt that is something that UK can sell to its population. Too much pride here, either UK pays and has a voice or UK doesn't pay. Also it will be comical to do this without rebates so UK will pay more than it did before and without any privileges or voice :lol:
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@JohnRawls


Why would you think a Swiss deal politically unsellable when the latest YouGov poll puts the number of Britons who believe it was the wrong decision to leave the EU at 56%, its highest point since the referendum? Only 32% of voters think it was the right decision now.
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ingliz wrote:@JohnRawls


Why would you think a Swiss deal politically unsellable when the latest YouGov poll puts the number of Britons who believe it was the wrong decision to leave the EU at 56%, its highest point since the referendum? Only 32% of voters think it was the right decision now.


MMM, good question. UK pride would be one thing. If we talk about fully joining the EU then the EU would want guarantees that this is not a couple of year commitment until next election. Voters would be far more unwilling to join back the EU if money was involved. I mean it is pretty easy to dupe people by saying that we are paying money for "useless" things. People won't listen when you tell them that business costs and overall growth is far more important than some payments to the EU and bring far more benefit. Same goes for "competitivness" of UK companies on the global market, actually that is probably a bad thing for your average worker since they will hear something along the lines that "we want to replace you yada yada" The first is sellable and the second and third parts are not.
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AFAIK wrote:Plenty of employers compensate their staff for their commutes. It's funny that those who demand that they aren't left to freeze to death at home are considered unreasonable.


It's funny that public servants are demanding from a public squeezed to death to cover rises to public servant salaries, pensions and benefits to cover their domestic energy bills on top so they don't have to go back to the office. I mean who can be bothered driving in this cold, right...

Are public servants the only people entitled to increases and handouts? And who is going to pick this one up?

The British government took 30 billion from our purse last week and handed it over to public servants, pensioners and benefit claimants resulting to the highest tax burden since 1946.

How many more billion do you reckon are needed to make public servants happy with their jobs?
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@noemon

According to a CER Policy brief, since Brexit investment by businesses and government was 13.7% lower; goods trade 13.6% lower; although services trade was 7.9% higher.

A smaller economy means higher taxes are needed to fund public services and welfare.

In March, the OBR forecast Brexit would worsen the public finances by £30 billion: Sunak’s March 2021 tax rises amounted to £29 billion.

The rest is down to Truss and the markets' loss of confidence in the UK.

public servants, pensioners, and benefit claimants

The Tories have been in charge since 2010.

George Osborne
2010 to 2016

Philip Hammond
2016 to 2019

Sajid Javid
2019 to 2020

Rishi Sunak
2020 to 2022

Kwasi Kwarteng
2022

Nadhim Zahawi
2022

Jeremy Hunt
2022

All of them Tories, so why don't you blame them for buggering up the economy and the state of your finances instead of wallowing in the politics of envy?


:lol:
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Unthinking Majority wrote:Why shouldn't employers pay for extra costs associated with working from home? They're saving a lot of money not having people in an office.

Doesn't mean they should pay for all their heating, but they should absorb some of the costs of utilities, office supplies etc.



I don't know that employers are saving a lot of money. They still probably have a lease on a bunch of empty office space. They might incur higher costs from IT support for employees spread all over the place.

If the employee is involved in customer service, the employer may have to take a hit for employees who don't have the discipline to work from home being at home - that leads to a loss of customers and business. That's difficult to measure, until you're looking at numbers that state you're losing customers or accounts. Hopefully you have rock stars that make up for the problem children. A lack of communication by working from home may add to that loss of "corporate goodwill" with customers, and that's really damaging to turn around.

It really depends on the business. A company five years ago may or may not have reimbursed a remote employee. Covid turned that on its head. So now it's expected for the workforce because of heating? It may be another checkmark in the column in favor of offshoring the business. If that happens, that change is kinda permanent. It really depends on a lot of factors if a business is going to save a lot of money or lose a lot of money.
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AFAIK wrote:How dare public sector unions exist and how dare they advocate for the health and safety of their members.


Yes, Democrat president Franklin Delano Roosevely didn't believe in public sector unions, wrote about the drawbacks of them and fought the idea.

If you believe in public sector unions, what you're saying is you need protection FROM the government as an employee of the government.

What it's really about is funneling money out of government employees hands and in to political causes.
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noemon wrote:It's funny that public servants are demanding from a public squeezed to death to cover rises to public servant salaries, pensions and benefits to cover their domestic energy bills on top so they don't have to go back to the office. I mean who can be bothered driving in this cold, right...

Are public servants the only people entitled to increases and handouts? And who is going to pick this one up?

The British government took 30 billion from our purse last week and handed it over to public servants, pensioners and benefit claimants resulting to the highest tax burden since 1946.

How many more billion do you reckon are needed to make public servants happy with their jobs?


And mis-magement and dumb policies has not cost more? Vast amounts of money has been funneled into Tory donors pockets.

IN general few workers will not ask for their pay to keep up with inflation. It;s not on the face of lot an outrageous ask,
Public sector wages in the are lagging both the private sector and inflation.

ttps://www.theguardian.com/business/202 ... th-reports

yup it;'s hardly comprehensive data, feel free to post your own,

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