vinnydell wrote:As for Starmer, a less suitable leader of the Labour party I haven't seen since Kinnock.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the Tories either, but jeez. Starmer single handedly lost Labour the last election with his remoaning.
Starmer's not as stupid as a lot of people think. His failure to prosecute Jimmy Saville for example was a demonstration of the competence of his management for the establishment. Starmer's EU policy at the last election was a highly intelligent response to the needs of the two party system.
I still hear people say, that Cameron made a mistake in promising the referendum. Cameron's priority was to stop the formation of an electoral force that could compete with the Tories on the right. As I always say one of the rules of successful politics is never sacrifice the long term interests of your political party for the short term interests of your country. Has the Brexit vote created problems for the Tories. Yes of course it has but they pale into insignificance with the problems they would have had, if UKIP / Brexit / Reform had emerged as a serious competition in the two party system.
We saw with the Liberals in the early nineteenth century how quickly a party can go from a natural party of government, to an almost irrelevance. We saw the collapse of the Labour party's dominance in Scotland. We've seen this phenomena with a number of parties in Europe. Starmer's Brexit policy in 2019 was not to designed to win the election, it was designed to squeeze the Liberal Democratic vote, by competing with Liberal Democrats for the hard remainer vote. And Starmers wisdom in 2019 has paid off for the Labour Party and has paid off for him.
This is how the two party system works. As long as you protect your side of the political spectrum, then however catastrophic your defeats, its just a matter of time before government will fall into your hands again. If the Tories suffer a catastrophic defeat at the next election we will hear the same nonsense from the pundits about how the Tories number one priority is to move to the centre ground. No their number one priority is that they remain the only viable seat winning party on the right.