[ckaihatsu]

The promise is not that retirees will get "an adequate standard of living and material security", whatever that is supposed to mean, but a percentage of their income when they were workers. That promise is basically impossible to honor given the current demographic trends.

You're too caught-up in the *numbers* -- the budget-making process is done by *politicians*, so *they're* the ones who have to be held accountable for government spending priorities, ultimately.

Consider the special administrative budgetary measures taken *all over the world* in response to the *pandemic*. Why can't *everyday* social-services spending be likewise treated as a social 'emergency', for consciously-prioritized consideration and implementation -- ?


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[wat0n]

Because you can only go so far in taking up debt, even if you're a government.

[ckaihatsu]

Because you can only go so far in taking up debt, even if you're a government.

So you're *pro*-debt-trap-diplomacy, then -- ?

The 2022 Sri Lankan protests led to the resignation of former Sri Lankan Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapaksa.[126] In 2022, Sri Lanka has suffered the worst economic crisis since it became independent in 1948.[127] The country is confronting a severe food, fuel and medicine shortage.[128] The country is also unable to severe its debt obligations to multiple creditors.[129] Global financial institutions, such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Asian Development Bank and World Bank, were seen as also responsible for addressing the crisis based on effective coordination with all creditors. Moreover, it was a result of combined effects that brought about the collapse of the Sri Lankan economy, including the COVID-19 pandemic, surging energy and food prices in the aftermath of the 2022 Ukraine conflict.[130]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-trap_diplomacy

[wat0n]

Sri Lanka is exactly a great a example of a government that followed an unsustainable spending over the long run.

[ckaihatsu]

Sri Lanka is exactly a great a example of a government that followed an unsustainable spending over the long run.

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In September 2022, a United Nations report said that the economic crisis is a result of officials' impunity for human rights abuses and economic crimes.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%8 ... mic_crisis

[wat0n]

They are not mutually exclusive.

[ckaihatsu]

Sri Lanka is exactly a great a example of a government that followed an unsustainable spending over the long run.

In September 2022, a United Nations report said that the economic crisis is a result of officials' impunity for human rights abuses and economic crimes.[17]

They are not mutually exclusive.

Uh-huh. And which policy instrument did you lunge for *first* -- an 'a-bad-egg' apologia for the overall military-nationalist status quo -- of *any* given mid-sized country -- with typical political-industry promises for the next election cycle.

Too 'hot-potato' for ya, with a floorful of *externalities* (like nationalist market failure) that nonetheless impact the *population* negatively -- ?


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[ckaihatsu]

(Again.)

Burning the country down won't make the French have more kids or contribute more to their pension system.

This looks more like a big ass tantrum than anything else.

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Your knee-jerk fatalism is *chronologically* misplaced since Netanyahu just blinked, after freaking *11 weeks* of protests -- !


Israelis protest for 11th consecutive week against Netanyahu's judicial reform plans • FRANCE 24

[wat0n]

@ckaihatsu if you disagree with my assessment, please tell me how exactly will the French government be able to fulfill its pension promises without raising retirement ages and also without raising the contribution rates.

Thanks.

[ckaihatsu]

@ckaihatsu if you disagree with my assessment, please tell me how exactly will the French government be able to fulfill its pension promises without raising retirement ages and also without raising the contribution rates.

Thanks.

*This* is how....

Bring down the Macron government!

This week’s tumultuous events in France have torn the “democratic” mask off the capitalist state, exposing it as a dictatorship of the financial oligarchy.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... s-m25.html

[wat0n]

*This* is how....

How so?

Please elaborate further, without tantrums.

[ckaihatsu]

tantrums

'Tantrums' -- ?

Do elaborate.

[wat0n]

Whining that you don't like the President and pulling a coup with your neo-fascist buddies to depose him has no obvious link with making pensions sustainable.

[JohnRawls]

You're thinking *electoralism* here -- if that *was* actually an effective strategy there'd be no need to take to the streets as millions have already, calling for Macron to *back the fuck down* (and ditto for Netanyahu, similarly).


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This is all fiscal / budgeting, so I'd say take it up with the ECB or IMF or whatever.

No, according to any statistic you look, the tax burden only increased in France. Tax to GDP ratio was the highest last year and the year before and so on. So your argument that this is simply tax cutting is totally incorrect.

[ckaihatsu]

Whining that you don't like the President and pulling a coup with your neo-fascist buddies to depose him has no obvious link with making pensions sustainable.

Formalistic / electoralist.

It's party politics, and almost entirely *internal*, even *with* the neo-fascists included. (The fascists are *yours*, and *not* of the-far-left / Antifa.


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[wat0n]

You still did not address the question, @ckaihatsu

How exactly do these protests fix the pension problem, without increasing the contribution rate, the retirement age and without lowering pensions?

[ckaihatsu]

No, according to any statistic you look, the tax burden only increased in France. Tax to GDP ratio was the highest last year and the year before and so on. So your argument that this is simply tax cutting is totally incorrect.

I'm saying take it up *internationally*, because that's the advice handed to *previous* countries in economic distress, like Sri Lanka, particularly.

[ckaihatsu]

You still did not address the question, @ckaihatsu

How exactly do these protests fix the pension problem, without increasing the contribution rate, the retirement age and without lowering pensions?

Let me put it *this* way -- your own mindset has to *transcend* circumscribed bourgeois nationalism, so that you realize that all of this kind of stuff goes international *anyway*.

The shining example that *everyone* should know, but which is painfully underreported, is *this* historical international economic rebalancing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

[wat0n]

That still has nothing to do with French pensions. Why can't you just address the question directly?

Or maybe you have no actual proposals to address the problem at hand, @ckaihatsu?

[ckaihatsu]

That still has nothing to do with French pensions. Why can't you just address the question directly?

Or maybe you have no actual proposals to address the problem at hand, @ckaihatsu?

More to the point, real-world, is that *Macron* doesn't. Hence the protests, for a social-impasse kind of situation -- which it *is*, everywhere.

It's a *constitutional crisis* in at least two major countries, Israel and Peru, and I'd argue Venezuela, too, in 2019.

It's the end of the era of Trumpian dictators.