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By Rich
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So we're just over 2 months into Starmer's government. I want to argue though that the Britain the Starmer government inherited was already very much molded by Starmer's politics and even Starmer himself. First their is Brexit. Starmer along with the Labour party as a whole promised to respect the result of the referendum, but then in 2019 came up with the idea of a further renegotiation after which there would be a referendum on the deal that the Labour government wouldn't even promise to support. Starmer did this to squeeze the Liberal Democratic vote. This was electorally disastrous, gave Boris Johnson a comfortable majority and then allowed Starmer to blame Corbyn for the resulting defeat. Having got himself elected as Labour leader, by promising Corbynism without Corbyn, he then became a born again Brexiteer. Starmer bears significant responsibility for the super hard Brexit with which we have ended up.

I can't find a paywall free link for this, but its now being admitted that Boris Johnson was the most left wing leader of the Conservative party. Boris Johnson was to a considerable degree Starmerism with a nasty right-wing Brexit face. Actually the nature of Johnsonism was recognised some time back.

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By Potemkin
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Rich wrote:So we're just over 2 months into Starmer's government. I want to argue though that the Britain the Starmer government inherited was already very much molded by Starmer's politics and even Starmer himself. First their is Brexit. Starmer along with the Labour party as a whole promised to respect the result of the referendum, but then in 2019 came up with the idea of a further renegotiation after which there would be a referendum on the deal that the Labour government wouldn't even promise to support. Starmer did this to squeeze the Liberal Democratic vote. This was electorally disastrous, gave Boris Johnson a comfortable majority and then allowed Starmer to blame Corbyn for the resulting defeat. Having got himself elected as Labour leader, by promising Corbynism without Corbyn, he then became a born again Brexiteer. Starmer bears significant responsibility for the super hard Brexit with which we have ended up.

I can't find a paywall free link for this, but its now being admitted that Boris Johnson was the most left wing leader of the Conservative party. Boris Johnson was to a considerable degree Starmer9sm with a nasty right-wing Brexit face. Actually the nature of Johnsonism was recognised some time back.


Boris Johnson was politically unprincipled. Which turned out to be a good thing, because it meant he was completely pragmatic in almost every situation. He simply recognised that left-wing policies made sense in certain situations, so that’s what he did. Thatcher had been a conviction politician; Boris Johnson was a non-conviction politician. He just didn’t give a fuck. Lol.
By Rich
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Rich wrote:Boris Johnson was to a considerable degree Starmerism with a nasty right-wing Brexit face.

Before going on, I have to say I feel slightly uneasy about my own post here, in that it risks slipping into left-rightwing essentialism. Since the French Revolution and arguably well before, politics has an incredibly strong tendency to coalesce towards a one dimensional ideological line, however the issues and the priority of the issues that define that line, change and can even reverse. The left, centre and right are what they at any particular place in time and space, not what any of us think they should be.

I think what should be emphasised is the unity of Boris, Starmer, Cameron and Blair, when it came to support for mass immigration, lockdown and war against Russia and Putin. Until near the end of the Tory government Starmer wanted even more immigration. Starmer wanted lockdowns, always sooner, harder and longer. Starmer supported the massive, Hugo Chavez style, energy subsides to hide the costs of the war with the Russia. Starmer and co's whining about the state of Britain that they inherited, is pure hypocicy, when Starmer supported all the key policies, bar Brexit that have brought Britain to where it is now and Brexit is the one part of the Tories legacy that Starmer has vowed to defend what ever the cost.
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By AFAIK
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“Declarations is about declaring so you and everybody else can see properly made declarations.”
-Sir Keir Starmer on why other men have to buy clothes for his wife
By Rich
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To understand the rather dire straits of Starmer's Britain, we need to go back to Blair-Brown's Britain. This was foundered economically on 2 pillars, a massive banking industry that could extract vast amounts of wealth from the rest of the world's industry and mass immigration. The mass immigration served an ideological purpose in that they believed that through "White Replacement" they could create a permanent Labour parliamentary majority, but it was also part of the economic system. The Finance sector, squeezing its wealth from the rest of the world made a huge contribution to the tax base, allowing Brown and Blair to lower taxes on the rich, while massively increasing public expenditure. Then the party came to an end with the 2008 crash.

So we had the huge bail outs of the bank, by Gordon Brown to protect the rich elite as much as possible. This had a cost. There was also the massive costs of mass immigration, pushing up population levels, making us overall poorer but pushing up inequality so making the rich richer while the mass of us get poorer. Mass immigration pushes up the cost of housing, this has the knock on effect of massively pushing up the welfare bill. Putting us into the paradoxical situation that welfare becomes increasingly stingy at the same time as work not paying relative to welfare for low paid workers. This then fed into another paradox, yes we had austerity in that public services were cut to the bone and even into the bones, but there was no austerity in terms of the fact that we were running massive public deficits.

So the Tories appeared like a bunch of mizers, but in terms of the public accounts it was still spend, spend, spend. Then we had Covid and the international lie machine went into full swing, denying the costs of yet more massive spending under Covid. The costs of lockdowns will be punishing us for years if not decades.

And then if that wasn't bad enough the Liberals pushed into a lunatic struggle with Russia to return Crimea to Ukrainian control. Again the war mongers like Starmer completely denying the massive costs of this policy,
By Rich
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Fantastic to see Liberal Deep State operative Sue Gray brought down. Starmer rewarded her for her work in bringing down Boris Johnson. Boris Johnson's mission in government was to deliver uber liberalism with a Brexit face. His mission was reduce European immigration and replace it with massively more non European immigration. His mission was to deliver White replacement with a National Front veneer. Of course that wasn't good enough for the Liberal Deep State, they didn't want Uber Liberalism with a National Front face. They wanted Uber Liberalsim with an uber Liberal face.

Am I saying that Boris Johnson wasnt corrupt, a liar and a hypocrite? No certainly not. But its rather like the case of Richard Nixon. Was Nixons bugging of the Watergate very wrong. Yes most certainly, but no one's telling me that his predecessors Lydon Johnson and JFK didn't get up to far worse.

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