[noemon]

Maccabi hooligans caused a riot in Amsterdam, assaulted taxi drivers, beat up Palestinian men, they did the same thing in Athens and are now crying foul after Amsterdam fought back.

Dutch kid follows Israeli hooligans all night as they break Amsterdam several hours after the game has finished.

Dutch journalist calls out Israeli fake news after they used her videos of Israeli hooligans causing damage to blame pro-Palestinian Arabs.







Meanwhile in the press:

[noemon]

[annatar1914]

I find some irony on a spiritual and historical level: hooligans from Israel supporting a sports team called " Maccabi", when the actual Maccabi the team is named after abhorred such things as Sports as something Heathen.... Seems these Israeli punks are more to be identified with the wicked apostates who helped persecute real Israelites than with the heroes of Scripture.

And so again something good and true and beautiful is once more identified in this modern age with evil and lies and hideousness.

[wat0n]

So hooliganism is a reason to start attacking random citizens from the country the hooligans come from? If so, then both the British and the Dutch should have been attacked by the residents of Dortmund just to mention an example of 2024.

Or this shit only applies to Israelis?

[JohnRawls]

@noemon Vast majority of European clubs have radical groups that will do this. The police exists to stop them and pre-pare for it when a big game is around. And same goes for the attacks against the radicals by the locals which obviously went overboard in Amsterdam. So mostly the police and local authorities are responsible for this.

[noemon]

So hooliganism is a reason to start attacking random citizens from the country the hooligans come from? If so, then both the British and the Dutch should have been attacked by the residents of Dortmund just to mention an example of 2024.

Or this shit only applies to Israelis?

No random citizens of something were attacked.

Israeli hooligans started a riot and 6 of those hooligans got injured in the riot they started.

Same thing happened to Dutch and English hooligans in the source you provided.

@noemon Vast majority of European clubs have radical groups that will do this. The police exists to stop them and pre-pare for it when a big game is around. And same goes for the attacks against the radicals by the locals which obviously went overboard in Amsterdam. So mostly the police and local authorities are responsible for this.

If and when European hooligans cause these kind of riots, they get banned from attending matches and their teams get fined.

These Israeli hooligans not only have not been banned from attending games(despite doing the same in Athens this year and despite ethnic-cleansing Gaza), but they are now demanding a carte blanche to come into European capitals trash them with police protection and never face any repercussions because "antisemitism".

[wat0n]

:lol:

No random citizens of something were attacked.

Israeli hooligans started a riot and 6 of those hooligans got injured in the riot they started.

Same thing happened to Dutch and English hooligans in the source you provided.

I've not seen even a single video showing any of the people who were attacked doing any sort of hooliganism.

[noemon]

I've not seen even a single video showing any of the people who were attacked doing any sort of hooliganism.

Have you seen any video of the Dutch people and properties that were attacked by the Israeli hooligans, doing hooligan things?

Here are some videos for you to peruse:

[JohnRawls]

:lol:

No random citizens of something were attacked.

Israeli hooligans started a riot and 6 of those hooligans got injured in the riot they started.

Same thing happened to Dutch and English hooligans in the source you provided.



If and when European hooligans cause these kind of riots, they get banned from attending matches and their teams get fined.

These Israeli hooligans not only have not been banned from attending games(despite doing the same in Athens this year and despite ethnic-cleansing Gaza), but they are now demanding a carte blanche to come into European capitals trash them with police protection and never face any repercussions because "antisemitism".

Sure, there were no consequences for Israeli hooligans I agree and there should be. The same way as there should be consequences for the attacks on people and beating them to half death by the looks of it.

What is the police and local security authorities even doing if this didn't happen?

[noemon]

The first consequence is recognising that Israeli hooligans caused these riots in Amsterdam and not 'antisemitism'.

[wat0n]

Still no proof that the people attacked were involved in any type of hooliganism.

If anything, it seems they were looking for Israelis if not Jews. Here's an example of a non-Jewish Ukrainian who got away because he's not Jewish.

https://x.com/yarotrof/status/185480216 ... sRJtw&s=19

I do have to say these immigrants have in fact integrated more than you'd think given they are just doing an old-age European tradition of chasing Jews. Way to go, Europe!

[noemon]

Still no proof that the people attacked were involved in any type of hooliganism.

Your subterfuge is mind-numbing as is your clinical habit of begging for pity while terrorising European people in their capital cities. The funny bit is that you do not even think twice, cause if you did you would understand that your nonsense can and will be used against you in all the IP threads and conversations going forward:

I do have to say these immigrants have in fact integrated more than you'd think given they are just doing an old-age European tradition of chasing Jews. Way to go, Europe!

Show evidence that the babies(and rest of the people) killed by the IDF participated in terror activities. Otherwise, according to yourself, Israel is responsible for .....?

"Age-old Jewish tradition of killing babies for sport?"

Feel free to fill the blank yourself based on the sentence I quoted.

Maccabi Hooligans caused riots in Amsterdam and Athens, any other football club and country would have apologised by now.

But not you lot.

You are instead demanding apologies for damages you caused based on the racial hatred and prejudice that you carry.

[JohnRawls]

The first consequence is recognising that Israeli hooligans caused these riots in Amsterdam and not 'antisemitism'.

It was antisemitism and it wouldn't happen without antisemitism BUT this whole thing wasn't started by anti-semitism. It was started by Israeli hooligans going around poking the bees nest that was already anti-semitic. So without the hooligans poking at the bees nest that was already antisemitic nothing would have happened.

People who will say that this is solely antisemitism don't know hooligans and I won't be shy about it and say that I was mingling in radical football circles at a time in a sense that I traveled to cheer for teams and a lot of hooligans came along with us or we came along with them. One of my good football buddies is a hooligan basically. I won't get in to the long story of why people do it etc etc etc but just lets say that hooligans are not really very rational people and such but it helps to relax emotionally for them so to speak.

Having said that, retaliation to radicalism and hooliganism is usually not being beaten half to death of the hooligans and other random people by other people meaning that this is not a standard situation. So antisemitism definitely played a roll in the retaliation. But the most responsible for this are the police and local authorities who didn't put any safeguards when they should have.

[noemon]

Arabs minding their business in Amsterdam="antisemites"

Israeli hooligans shouting: "Death to All Arabs", assaulting Arab looking people and destroying a taxi= poor victims of antisemitism.

One has got to be high-level propagandist to talk about "antisemitism" after seeing the Israeli hooligan footage.

[wat0n]

If you have to imply Amsterdam is an urban battlefield with armed groups fighting armies and using civilians as shields, you've already lost this discussion @noemon.

And it also shows how incompetent the Dutch were.

[noemon]

If you have to imply Amsterdam is an urban battlefield with armed groups fighting armies and using civilians as shields, you've already lost this discussion @noemon.

Implying is your thing @wat0n, I am quite explicit:

Israeli hooligans went to Amsterdam, broke the city up, violently attacked locals and buildings and are now demanding apologies for getting a few kicks from the locals while offering none for their behaviour before, during and after the game.

In the meantime, no Israeli hooligan has been arrested for vandalism, incitement to hatred or assault despite lots of footage to that effect.

And you 're talking about what poor victims these hooligans and the IDF supposedly are while eradicating pretty much everything in Gaza(gloating with "no more schools in Gaza because we killed all the kids" which is what Maccabi fans also shouted) because it has to deal with "human shields" as if that justifies Maccabi hooligans in Amsterdam causing a riot or the 70 year long Israeli campaign to eradicate the Arabs from Palestine.

A campaign against humans [hields]?

And it also shows how incompetent the Dutch were.

Government being extremely pro-Israel, they allowed the Israeli hooligans total free roam while following from a distance, this in turn meant the Israelis engaged in a city-centre mayhem for an abnormally long period of time under the watchful eye of the police long after the game had ended, keeping the mob active long enough enabling the locals to organise and piecemeal the mob. Within seconds quite competent Dutch police was there to arrest the locals(60 arrests apparently).

Maccabi hooligans very clearly abused Dutch and Ajax's hospitality. As Ajax is a Jewish club in a pro-Israel government, they felt comfortable enough to engage in all this.

All football fans know you disperse after the game, you don't stay on to make a mob.

Football fans are always escorted by police before and during entry and during and after exit.

This escorting takes place for a few blocks until the masses disperse, Maccabi hooligans and the rest of the fans travelling know the rules too but they did not disperse for hours until they were violently dispersed by taxis and locals. Not only they did not disperse but they tore down metal and wood batons from benches with clear intent.

[JohnRawls]

Arabs minding their business in Amsterdam="antisemites"

Israeli hooligans shouting: "Death to All Arabs", assaulting Arab looking people and destroying a taxi= poor victims of antisemitism.

One has got to be high-level propagandist to talk about "antisemitism" after seeing the Israeli hooligan footage.

So why was the response so brutal? You are from Greece and I am pretty sure that there are ultra fans around in Greece in large numbers but is the response that brutal usually in Greece when Ultras just pop off and do some random bullshit as they often do?

Note: I am not saying Hooligans didn't start this, they obviously did and it played a large part in it.

[Saeko]

"The IDF will fuck the Arabs. Why is school out in Gaza? Because there are no children left."

Is the story here. They are 100% aware of what they are really doing in Gaza.

[wat0n]

Implying is your thing @wat0n, I am quite explicit:

Israeli hooligans went to Amsterdam, broke the city up, violently attacked locals and buildings and are now demanding apologies for getting a few kicks from the locals while offering none for their behaviour before, during and after the game.

In the meantime, no Israeli hooligan has been arrested for vandalism, incitement to hatred or assault despite lots of footage to that effect.

And you 're talking about what poor victims these hooligans and the IDF supposedly are while eradicating pretty much everything in Gaza(gloating with "no more schools in Gaza because we killed all the kids" which is what Maccabi fans also shouted) because it has to deal with "human shields" as if that justifies Maccabi hooligans in Amsterdam causing a riot or the 70 year long Israeli campaign to eradicate the Arabs from Palestine.

A campaign against humans [hields]?

Bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse.

Where's the evidence that any of the Israelis attacked were hooligans?

Government being extremely pro-Israel, they allowed the Israeli hooligans total free roam while following from a distance, this in turn meant the Israelis engaged in a city-centre mayhem for an abnormally long period of time under the watchful eye of the police long after the game had ended, keeping the mob active long enough enabling the locals to organise and piecemeal the mob. Within seconds quite competent Dutch police was there to arrest the locals(60 arrests apparently).

Maccabi hooligans very clearly abused Dutch and Ajax's hospitality. As Ajax is a Jewish club in a pro-Israel government, they felt comfortable enough to engage in all this.

All football fans know you disperse after the game, you don't stay on to make a mob.

Football fans are always escorted by police before and during entry and during and after exit.

This escorting takes place for a few blocks until the masses disperse, Maccabi hooligans and the rest of the fans travelling know the rules too but they did not disperse for hours until they were violently dispersed by taxis and locals. Not only they did not disperse but they tore down metal and wood batons from benches with clear intent.

Tell me something, should Dutch Jews start chasing around random immigrants because some people vandalize Jewish property or Holocaust memorials in their country?

If the issue is with hooligans, why hunt for anyone who's Jewish? I've already provided you with evidence that's what the very europeanized immigrants were doing.

[noemon]

So why was the response so brutal? You are from Greece and I am pretty sure that there are ultra fans around in Greece in large numbers but is the response that brutal usually in Greece when Ultras just pop off and do some random bullshit as they often do?

You need to specify "brutal"?

Yes, we get Albanian, Serbian, Bulgarian and Greek Ultras that engage in shit usually a lot more violent.

But Gaza is quite next level brutality, what brutality did you see in Amsterdam?

Maccabi hooligans grabbed gear to go look for trouble. Trouble they found once they started assaulting locals, none of the instigators got arrested.

What was brutal for them about all this?

Bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse

Just plain reality:

Where's the evidence that any of the Israelis attacked were hooligans?

What's your imaginative point here? 60 arrests were made, none for Israeli hooligans instigating and clearly participating in the riots in Amsterdam.

Tell me something, should Dutch Jews start chasing around random immigrants because some people vandalize Jewish property or Holocaust memorials in their country?

If the issue is with hooligans, why hunt for anyone who's Jewish? I've already provided you with evidence that's what the very europeanized immigrants were doing.

No such evidence either, there are thousands of Jews living in Amsterdam that noone bothers for being Jews, these people were looking for the same Maccabi group of hooligans attacking their town while chanting racist slogans against them.