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Pants-of-dog wrote:Zimbabwe is not an anti-racist government.

It is anti-colonialist. The fact that the colonisers were white is just a matter of history.

Zimbabwe was one of Africa's most prosperous countries until people of your ilk and ideology assumed the government. Under your preferred economic system the nation was starving.
#15164430
If we are including anti-colonialism into abti-racism, then we should include the negative impacts of colonialism into the negative impacts of racism.

This would include the millions who died from smallpox, for example. And the human rights abuses of Rhodesia.
#15164433
wat0n wrote:Is Zimbabwe currently a racist regime?


I have no idea. Let us assume it is, since most of my ideological opponents argue that it is.

This would mean that the human rights abuses when it was Rhodesia were based on anti-black racism, and the abuses since it became Zimbabwe are based in anti-white racism.

And in both cases, it is racism that is one of the causes.
#15164438
Pants-of-dog wrote:I have no idea. Let us assume it is, since most of my ideological opponents argue that it is.

This would mean that the human rights abuses when it was Rhodesia were based on anti-black racism, and the abuses since it became Zimbabwe are based in anti-white racism.

And in both cases, it is racism that is one of the causes.

POD

Socialism drove Rhodesia into starvation. That is important and likely made racism worse.
#15164449
Julian658 wrote:
Socialism drove Rhodesia into starvation. That is important and likely made racism worse.



SSDD...

After independence, 60% of the Whites left. Because they had treated Blacks badly, they took with them most of the educated population, and most of those with business or governmental experience.

So while they got aid from countries like China, they fit neither definition of socialism.

You babble.
#15164456
late wrote:SSDD...

After independence, 60% of the Whites left. Because they had treated Blacks badly, they took with them most of the educated population, and most of those with business or governmental experience.

So while they got aid from countries like China, they fit neither definition of socialism.

You babble.

Over 100,000 thousand well educated Rhodesians stayed. Homes are protected by security fences, many avoid traveling after 5 p.m., and armed militiamen accompany farmers as they tend their cattle or visit neighbors. There is some racism going on. It works both ways.

To assume Africans cannot be racist would be a racist statement.
#15164459
Julian658 wrote:
Over 100,000 thousand well educated Rhodesians stayed. Homes are protected by security fences, many avoid traveling after 5 p.m., and armed militiamen accompany farmers as they tend their cattle or visit neighbors. There is some racism going on. It works both ways.

To assume Africans cannot be racist would be a racist statement.



That has not a thing to do with socialism...

You babble.
#15164466
late wrote:That has not a thing to do with socialism...

You babble.

Socialism drove the nation into near starving conditions. They were the bread basket of Africa before the left took over.
#15164470
Julian658 wrote:
Socialism drove the nation into near starving conditions. They were the bread basket of Africa before the left took over.



It wasn't socialism.

That was an agrarian economy, they didn't have much in the way of production. Returning land to the people isn't socialist, it's just short sighted. The old version of socialism is talking about industrial production. The new version is about strong social programs, which requires enough wealth from the economy to fund those programs. Wealth that a troubled nation did not have, even if they had had the skill to administer the programs.

This sort of thing has happened a number of times. A tribal people throw off their oppressor and have to take whatever help they can get. If the help came from Russia or China, they get that label.

You are out of your depth.
#15164471
late wrote:It wasn't socialism.

That was an agrarian economy, they didn't have much in the way of production. Returning land to the people isn't socialist, it's just short sighted. The old version of socialism is talking about industrial production. The new version is about strong social programs, which requires enough wealth from the economy to fund those programs. Wealth that a troubled nation did not have, even if they had had the skill to administer the programs.

This sort of thing has happened a number of times. A tribal people throw off their oppressor and have to take whatever help they can get. If the help came from Russia or China, they get that label.

You are out of your depth.

China is the new colonial power in the world. They want the resources of Africa. Same old story! But, now the Africans know the game. Let's see how it goes.
#15164473
How interesting. A childish thread, based upon a childish premise, and constructed solely for the purpose of giving racists a platform to rationalize their racist beliefs,,,,,,,is back.
#15164474
Julian658 wrote:
China is the new colonial power in the world. They want the resources of Africa. Same old story! But, now the Africans know the game. Let's see how it goes.



I accept your implicit admission of defeat.
#15164475
late wrote:I accept your implicit admission of defeat.

If you say something that is of value I will immediately accept. We are here to exchange ideas and viewpoints. The idea is to leave the echo chamber behind.
#15164481
Patrickov wrote:To be fair, you [Stud]forgot to reassert that your discussion had been about the US until late in the argument, and if your challenge to him was seen verbatim he didn't go off topic.



Let me make a few things clear here. Unless I am mistaken, Stud is just another poster, and enjoys no special rights. I went back up the thread to see who originated the thread, I can tell you it was not Stud. Meaning he hopped unto the thread like any other poster but somehow is under the impression he can limit the parameters of the discussion to his comfort zone? Are we now gonna be limiting the parameters of discussions because some posters' horizons do not extend beyond the borders of the American Imperium :D ?

It was not Stud's discussion to begin with. He did not originate the thread. I can respect that his intellectual horizons do not extend beyond the borders of the United States. I do not ask him to venture beyond his comfort zone. But it is for him to humbly bow out if I had taken the discussion beyond his comfort zone. It is a totally different matter for him to expect me to limit my horizons so to accomodate his limitations.
#15164484
Patrickov wrote:@Juin Next time read what you were quoting first. Godstud's been talking about USA all the time, and he's such an savage and aggressive debater that, I am afraid you are making a very foolish move to challenge him without reading carefully.




A savage and aggressive debater is a rare breed. I do not go to a debate forum to chat with posters who agree with me. A debater is lucky if it is his fortune to cross swords with a debater notorious for savagery and aggression. I am not a novice when it comes to savagery and aggression. If Stud is the savage you claim then I will rather be bested by him than by a novice.

Problem is I am not so far impressed by his savagery or aggression. The fact that he limits his intellectual horizons to the borders of the United States is to me a weakness and not a strength. What satisfaction accrues from debating an adversary with clear limitations?
#15164489
Godstud wrote:If you aren't mature enough to stick to the topic, then I am done with you. Start up a thread about racism in Zimbabwe, so you can take your "Whataboutism" where it belongs.




You did NOT start this thread, dude. And even if you started it it is not your prerogative to tell anyone to get off the thread. It seems you have a reputation for savagery and aggression in debates, according to another poster in the thread. I like that in a debater. I am quite capable of a little bit of savagery and aggression myself. But you will have to earn your savagery and aggression. Your inability to operate beyond the borders of the United States suggests timidity and ignorance to me, not savagery and aggression
#15164491
Godstud wrote:All racism is NOT equal, and WHERE it happens makes a big difference, even if you can't accept that, with your limited view on racism.



My limited view of racism?? From the dude whose horizons do not extend beyond the borders of the United States?
#15164501
Juin wrote:Let me make a few things clear here. Unless I am mistaken, Stud is just another poster, and enjoys no special rights. I went back up the thread to see who originated the thread, I can tell you it was not Stud. Meaning he hopped unto the thread like any other poster but somehow is under the impression he can limit the parameters of the discussion to his comfort zone? Are we now gonna be limiting the parameters of discussions because some posters' horizons do not extend beyond the borders of the American Imperium :D ?

It was not Stud's discussion to begin with. He did not originate the thread. I can respect that his intellectual horizons do not extend beyond the borders of the United States. I do not ask him to venture beyond his comfort zone. But it is for him to humbly bow out if I had taken the discussion beyond his comfort zone. It is a totally different matter for him to expect me to limit my horizons so to accomodate his limitations.


This is an admission of defeat. The OP is about the USA, not about Zimbabwe.

Both the racism and the anti-racism of the OP is about their use within the American context.

Also, it is a Rule 2 Violation to misuse people's usernames.

Unless a serious argument sourcing from the OP's debate video(which is actually very interesting) is posted in this necro-resurrected thread, it will be locked.
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