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Mexican police chief arrested in connection to the Mormon Families Ambush Massacre

Mexican authorities have arrested a municipal police chief for his suspected links to the killing of three women and six children of U.S.-Mexican origin in northern Mexico last month, local media and an official said on Friday. Several Mexican media outlets reported that law enforcement agents arrested Fidel Alejandro Villegas, police chief of the municipality of Janos, which lies in the neighboring state of Chihuahua, on suspicion of involvement in the crime. The reports said he is suspected of having ties to organized crime, but details of his alleged role were not clear.

Suspected drug cartel hitmen shot dead the nine women and children from families of Mormon origin in Sonora state on Nov. 4, sparking outrage in Mexico and the United States. Mexican officials believe the women and children were killed after becoming caught up in a dispute between local drug cartels battling for control of the area.

Under pressure from the Trump administration, Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador sought U.S. cooperation in the case, inviting the FBI to help in the investigation.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mun ... ocid=ientp

They need to bring in American law enforcement because so many of their own people are too corrupt to be trusted.
The FBI has many fluent Spanish-speaking specialists that can go down there and operate in Mexico.

That a police chief was believed to be connected to this (while not all too surprising) shows just how endemic corruption is in Mexico, and the close connection between the drug cartels and local police.


This isn't the first time Mexican police are believed to have been connected to a civilian massacre.

In 2014, September 26, students from a teacher training school in rural southern Mexico commandeered some buses to head off to a demonstration in Mexico City.
Two of the buses were stopped right outside the town of Iguala, surrounded by police or military-style forces. 43 of the students were ordered to get off the buses, and were never seen again.

The incident demonstrates the pervasive level of corruption in Mexico, since either local police or Mexican federal military forces with ties to a drug cartel are believed to have been involved in the incident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Igua ... kidnapping

According to the NY Times:

Municipal police officers encircled the bus, detonated tear gas, punctured the tires and forced the college students who were onboard to get off.

"We're going to kill all of you," the officers warned according to the bus driver. A policeman approached the driver and pointed a pistol at his chest. "You too," the officer said.

With a military intelligence official looking on and state and federal police officers in the immediate vicinity, witnesses said, the students were put into police vehicles and taken away. They have not been seen since.

They were among the 43 students who vanished in the city of Iguala one night in September 2014 amid violent, chaotic circumstances laid bare by an international panel of investigators who have been examining the matter for more than a year. The reason for the students' abduction remains a mystery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/worl ... s-say.html


On November 7, 2014, the family members of the missing students had a conference with the Attorney General Jesús Murillo Karam. In the meeting, authorities confirmed to the families that they had found several bags containing unidentified human remains. According to investigators, three alleged members of the Guerreros Unidos gang, Patricio Reyes Landa ("El Pato"), Jonathan Osorio Gómez ("El Jona",) and Agustín García Reyes ("El Chereje") directed authorities to the location of the bags alongside the San Juan river in Cocula. Murillo Karam stated that the three suspects admitted to having killed a group of around 40 people in Cocula on September 26, 2014. The suspects stated that once the police handed over the students to them, they transported them in trucks to a dumping ground just outside town. By the time they got there, 15 students had died from asphyxiation. The remaining students were interrogated and then killed. The suspects dumped the bodies in a huge pit before fueling the corpses with diesel, gasoline, tires, wood and plastic. They then filled up eight plastic bags, smashed the bones, and threw them in the river on orders from a Guerreros Unidos member known as "El Terco."

On December 6, 2014, the first of the 43 missing students, Alexander Mora Venancio (aged 19), was confirmed dead by forensic specialists after the bones were sent abroad to a university in Austria. Specialists were able to confirm the status of Mora Venacio by comparing his bone fragments with the DNA samples the laboratory had of his father and his brothers.


In an NPR interview with investigative journalist Anabel Hernandez, it is claimed the two buses contained secret compartments containing 2 million dollars worth of heroin. The students were on their way to a protest and, like they did every year, had taken and commandeered buses to get to the protest in Mexico City. Unknown to the students was the fact that two of the five buses they had taken were being used by drug dealers to transport drugs. They didn't know it and were almost just victims of circumstance.

Hernandez had to flee to Italy after publishing her book because her life was in danger.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/21/65890001 ... -in-mexico
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Patrickov wrote:
While the quickest solution seems to be absorption of Mexico into the United States and suppress the drug cartels with iron fist, it is hard to dismiss the feeling that the United States deliberately allow Mexico (and Latin America as a whole) rotten so as to purify their own land.



The Drug War causes a lot of the chaos.

We've been propping up Columbia for a generation because of it. It goes like this, we lean on a country like Columbia to come down hard on the drug lords. The drug lords stir up chaos (In Columbia they fund revolutionaries like the Shining Path) and spread corruption.

The country starts coming apart at the seams, and we send them help, and let them stop stirring up trouble. A few years later, the cycle starts all over.
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late wrote:The Drug War causes a lot of the chaos.

We've been propping up Columbia for a generation because of it. It goes like this, we lean on a country like Columbia to come down hard on the drug lords. The drug lords stir up chaos (In Columbia they fund revolutionaries like the Shining Path) and spread corruption.

The country starts coming apart at the seams, and we send them help, and let them stop stirring up trouble. A few years later, the cycle starts all over.


So you are trying to say that the governments are incompetent and can't finish the job? I feel like you are trying to blame the US for this somehow but i don't really see it.
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JohnRawls wrote:
So you are trying to say that the governments are incompetent and can't finish the job? I feel like you are trying to blame the US for this somehow but i don't really see it.



Back when Nixon was getting countries to agree to the Drug War, one of the few intellectuals in his administration pointed out that where there is demand, there will be supply.

Most people don't understand this, I am not surprised. But it's not complicated.

We went after suppliers and ignored demand. During Prohibition, when we got to this point, the people in government had enough sense not to spend massive amounts of money on an idea guaranteed to fail.

But we did.

Actually, this goes far beyond failure. When we shut down the border to pot, smugglers just switched to cocaine, and then we had the 1980s...

We then pressured Columbia to go after the drug lords, and the country nearly collapsed. That cycle I was talking about, when that happens we spend a lot of money knowing full well that we will have to stop, and cocaine production will crank back up.

France took the opposite approach, and worked on the demand side of the equation, treatment. Their drug war stopped. Portugal made drugs more or less legal, and drug use declined.

Nixon wanted his revenge on hippies, and the Americas have been paying a steep price for that stupidity since then.
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late wrote:The Drug War causes a lot of the chaos.

We've been propping up Columbia for a generation because of it. It goes like this, we lean on a country like Columbia to come down hard on the drug lords. The drug lords stir up chaos (In Columbia they fund revolutionaries like the Shining Path) and spread corruption.

The country starts coming apart at the seams, and we send them help, and let them stop stirring up trouble. A few years later, the cycle starts all over.

Shining Path were in Peru, not Colombia. And drug lords tend to fund far-right paramilitaries, not Maoist revolutionaries, who would surely execute all the drug lords as soon as they came to power. The drug lords aren't that stupid.
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Potemkin wrote:
Shining Path were in Peru, not Colombia. And drug lords tend to fund far-right paramilitaries, not Maoist revolutionaries, who would surely execute all the drug lords as soon as they came to power. The drug lords aren't that stupid.



"Peruvian guerrilla organization Shining Path is working closely with Colombian drug traffickers whose cocaine revenue is used to fund the leftist rebel organization, according to local media and authorities.

El Cuarto Poder, an investigative journalism program from Peru, reported that the 35-year-old guerrilla movement has proven ties to Colombian drug traffickers dubbed “Los Cafeteros.”
https://colombiareports.com/how-colombi ... ning-path/

You're right, they're Peruvian. But the point stands, the Drug War creates a highly destructive cycle that does great damage to a number of countries south of the border.
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Mexico is fighting an US drug war with death toll comparable of Syria.

Mexico should legalize drugtrade to prevent violence.

In the renaissance era the church cutted people the ears and noses off, those who smoked tabacco but the turkish cartells delivered it to Europe this plant originaly from South America.

Cocaine will also once have the status of tabacco. Like marihuana it will become legal.

Who is the government to say me you can drink buzz but not take a line coke?
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SaddamHuseinovic wrote:
Cocaine will also once have the status of tabacco. Like marihuana it will become legal.

Who is the government to say me you can drink buzz but not take a line coke?



Cocaine used to be legal. It kills a lot of people.

I don't want it legal. Prob the best option is court mandated treatment.

And again, policy should be set by a panel of Docs, you'd want a toxicologist, a pharmacist, etc.
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late wrote:Cocaine used to be legal. It kills a lot of people.

I don't want it legal. Prob the best option is court mandated treatment.

And again, policy should be set by a panel of Docs, you'd want a toxicologist, a pharmacist, etc.

Exactly. It fucks up people's hearts. After all, there's a reason so many Hollywood producers have died relatively young of heart attacks.... Lol.
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Most drug deaths is alcohole responsible.

Tabacco kills 50% of all consumers.

Cocaine enhances the brain activity thomas edison took coke, Sigmund Freud also, pure coke does not make heart problems but the cutted shit


I was Czech Republic where every drug got legalised for private consumption. It is a normal East European City, although 5% are methamphetamine users (cocaine of the poor).
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Potemkin wrote:Exactly. It fucks up people's hearts. After all, there's a reason so many Hollywood producers have died relatively young of heart attacks.... Lol.



Without coke no Wallstreet and no Hollywood. A Russian said the communism lost because they had no Hollywood.

Today get children cocaine light called ritalin
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