Tainari88 wrote:I don't buy your impartiality bullshit John, I don't. At all.
What gets me angry? Is the lack of caring. That pisses me off bad. The lack of caring about Latin America, Africa and nation who are not powerful and rich. That PISSES ME OFF.
If you don't care? You will sink most of the world and humanity with it. Start caring.
I don't understand your positions John. You are Estonian. ESTONIAN. You are not some American dummy voting for Trump in some rural town buying all that shit about the conservative pro corporate Democrats being Communists.
Yet you identify with them? Can you explain to me why you believe their lies and bullshit? Or are you a cynic and think politics is all liars and biased prejudiced idiotic talk without any validity or truth to anything?
I don't go for politics that are about selfishness, greed and cheering on Empires destroying the world and all the people who work hard and can't feed their families. That is not the reason I am on this forum talking about REALITY. Not some lies you bought about the USA.
The USA is in crisis. They got some people who believe in not dealing with democracy anymore or pretending to because they know something is not right. It is not right. It has not been for a very long time. But they are told lies all the time and eventually it will become a very ugly and violent situation.
And the fault of it all is the value system that allowed what John Perkins in the above video talks about John Rawls.
It is about....you accept the bribe and let us plunder your nation. Or we will kill and destroy you.
Do you like that naked aggression? Yes or no? Answer the question @JohnRawls ?
Because that is what the USA government in Latin America and the Caribbean is about. Not only there. In Indonesia, Asia, Africa and every place they can get a hold of.
I hate that. Why? Because it kills innocent people. It makes wages low and poverty grinding. It brings misery and hopelessness and lack of progress. And it is painful to see people living through it.
People are not living in fantasyland in these places. Why do they vote for someone like Jose Mujica or Evo Morales or Hugo Chavez or Trujillo in Panama or the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, or AMLO in Mexico or countless other leftists in Latin America? WHY VOTE FOR THESE CANDIDATES? If the Americans disapprove of them and will cause trouble?
Because the right wing sellouts don't do jack shit for poor people in these nations. NOTHING.
It is like @Potemkin stated with you. They are not liberal democrats John. They are brutal killing dictators. Backed by the people John Perkins video stated.
What is your answer to that reality? Don't run and answer the question!?
It is pretty simple, you have no trust in what the country and the world can be while I have seen first hand what can happen in good and bad outcomes from the liberal capitalist system and the alternatives. For you it is all lies. For me, I appreciate the system seeing the alternatives.
I wrote this couple of times but Estonia exited the collapse of the Soviet Union in a pretty bad state which gave it a lower start compared to most other European Warshaw pact countries and even worse it happened a bit later compared to other Warshaw pact countries like Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. The reality though is that we recovered and are part of the OECD club now, recently having surpassed places like Greece, Portugal and already coming up on places like Spain, Italy etc. And we did that starting from basically African situation in what? 25-30 years...
There was no secret to this success. It came through what the people that you hate describe. The reason why we succeeded is because we actually tried and cared and took the things like rule of law, democracy, competitiveness etc seriously. Estonia took a pretty hardcore libertarian approach from the start. We are the children of people like Milton Freedman. He helped us devise our goddamn economic policy to a degree.
When the 2008 economic crisis came, Estonia fired 25% of all government employees for example also so we are both in action, in law and in theory Neoliberal Freedmanist economies.
While people like you Tainari cry about being pillaged by imperialists, Estonia didn't do it. We learned, we persevered and we succeeded. Somehow we have become THE MOST successful post USSR republic. And we can compare our situation to places like Russia which is 3 times worse on average due to their crony capitalism and corruption. We can compare to Belorussia who are 4 times worse due to their left socialist leanings and dictatorship.
So my ideas have a lot to do with the reality that I live in and experiences that I can see around. So compared to your prejudiced view that everyone is imperialist, the reality is that most countries don't even try.(My reality) People and politicians don't care about corruption, don't care about rule of law, don't care about voting even which leads to their ruin and people like Putin, etc coming to power. But if you do then success awaits. THis is success that you will need to work for but it will come like it did with great many countries.
You complaining imperialism here, imperialism there is just an excuse. A story that you heard from your ancestors, your parents, and now tell yourself of why your country or countries nearby have not succeeded. It is always easy to blame somebody else and I would say it is an instinct. It is hard to blame yourself, it is hard to not be corrupt, to follow the law, etc. Imperialism existed and it is fair to criticize countries who have partook in it but it is not an excuse not to be successful after 30,40,50 etc years after becoming independent. If Estonia, one of the smallest countries in the world with no resources can do it then it is racist to think that others can't. The funny thing is that even dictatorships can be successful but it is a lot harder for them to do it. Look at Singapore as an example.
TLDR: Stop being a dictatorship, enforce the rule of law, fight corruption and have a sane economic policy will lead you to success. Imperialism is not an argument of why your country is poor. Estonia have been occupied by so many countries in its history that you won't have enough fingers on both hands to count but we are still here, better than most, not blaming Europe or even Russia for it. (Although we have disputes with Russia due to its current regime) IT IS REALLY RACIST TO THINK THAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN'T SUCCEED IF ESTONIA COULD, A COUNTRY SO SMALL MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTS WITH LITERALLY NO RESOURCES TO SPEAK OFF.
- By skinster