Hindsite wrote:No, I did not ignore what Joseph did to save Egypt from the famine. I just did not see any need to bring it up since it seemed self-explanatory to me. But you are wrong about Joseph seizing private property. He actually sold food to the people in exchange for the property. Then he gave them seed to plant the land and required them to give a fifth of the harvest to Pharaoh and allowed them to keep the remaining harvest for themselves. Joseph gained control over all the property and became wealthy through economic supply and demand capitalism.
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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Saint Joseph the Patriarch saved civilization during the seven year famine by instituting Socialism upon the Egyptians during the crisis. There was not talk of him ''gaining control of the property'', but as basically the Pharaoh's prime minister, the wealth was turned over to the government. There was no talk of any kind of ''supply and demand Capitalism'' in the scripture verses I quoted
, so let's look at it
again ;
13 There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.”
16 “Then bring your livestock,” said Joseph. “I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone.” 17 So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.
18 When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, “We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19 Why should we perish before your eyes—we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”
20 So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude,[c] from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.
23 Joseph said to the people, “Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24 But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children.”
25 “You have saved our lives,” they said. “May we find favor in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.”
26 So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt—still in force today—that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh’s.
Emphasis in Bold.
Here's some common sense for you to think about. If there is an economic crisis under Capitalism, a emergency in which the collapse of civilization is imminent because of potential mass starvation. A man comes and takes first all of everyone's money and withdraws it from circulation and gives it to the government, in return for distributing some of the food grains stored during the seven years of plenty. Then people ask for more, and he takes all their livestock for the government in return for more grain. They get through that next year alright, but then they run out of foodstuffs and give all their land and themselves to give to the government. If this were the case, everyone would say that the politician who did this had the government buy up private property and place it into their stewardship, from Capitalism into Socialism.
But for you, who worships wealth and rich people and capitalism, this presents a problem, because all of this is in the Holy Bible. If this man (who saved ancient civilization in my opinion) had been anyone else than the man of God, Joseph, mentioned in Scripture, you'd be defaming his memory and sending him to hell in a New York minute. So you go blind, you claim the clear meanings of these Scriptures mean something else.
This is the real reason that the Israelites and those who follow the God of Israel today bother the world so much, that these type of versus in Scripture are revolutionary dynamite that would change the world order if carried out in society.
But you are invested emotionally in what you have said to people here, and there is probably a zero chance of you saying anything different, of changing your mind. I'm not saying these things for you, but for others who don't worship your Golden Calf nor follow the sick end-times theology that has ruined and ended millions of lives already.
I'm done.
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