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#15145008
The Taliban are winning



43 killed, 2 tanks destroyed in north; 2 posts taken over
December 24, 2020
14 enemy soldiers join Mujahideen
December 24, 2020
6 puppets killed in Paktia
December 24, 2020
3 killed in Ghazni province G
December 24, 2020
3 killed, 1 injured in Nangarhar
December 24, 2020
Arbaki injured in Kapisa
December 24, 2020
Key check post overrun in Saripul
December 24, 2020
Enemy martyr villager, abduct 7 others in Shindand
December 24, 2020
3 minions shot dead by sniper in Lashkergah
December 24, 2020
Key enemy gunman killed in Kandahar
December 24, 2020
2 policemen surrender in Farah
December 24, 2020
3 Arbakis join Mujahideen in Khaibar
December 24, 2020
10 killed, 6 injured; post overrun
December 23, 2020
9 killed, post taken over in northern Afghanistan
December 23, 2020
Puppet killed in Kunduz
December 23, 2020
Officer killed in Kabul
December 23, 2020
House, Masjid bombed out
December 23, 2020
Arbaki commander killed
December 23, 2020
3 killed, 1 captured
December 23, 2020
One killed in Ghazni province

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#15145015
SaddamHuseinovic wrote:The USA lost the war.

Should the Turks be send to Afghanistan?

The Jihadis would not like to fight a muslim Army

Turkey doesn't attempt to overthrow governments of foreign countries. That makes difference with being another muslim brother nation.
#15178213
I think the Taliban have won when they can spread in the North. The Northern Alliance had toppled them with US Air support.

The Afghan Army is well equiped (Apache's) but fails to defeat guerillas (AK-47). The local population is on the insurgent side or they could never ever make a stand against a modern army.


I hope just they will not be so strict with the burkha like in the 90s.
#15178353
Sandzak wrote:I hope just they will not be so strict with the burkha like in the 90s.




Isnt that asking too much of the Taliban? You have to give it to them. I recall very well when tbe US hit the Taliban following 9/11 and sent Mullah Omar and his merry men reeling. There was much big talk then about the folly of abandoning the likes of Tajik Ahmad Shah Masood after the retreat of the Soviets. Profuse appologies, and Blair promising that the Afghan people would never be abandoned again. It really looked then like finis for the Taliban. Curtains. But look at where we are today. The Taliban is the last man left standing. Just waiting impatiently to send that outfit presently in Kabul parking. It takes a special kind of man to absorb the blows the Americans threw at them over and over, getting blodied, yet crawling back up for more. You think such a man fights just for some Talibanlite?

The return of the Taliban to Kabul will be marked by a mass crucifixion on a scale as to dwarf Marcus Licinius' lining of the Appian way with 6000 crucifixions. Nothing less will do. The occasion would demand no less.
#15178380
Juin wrote:Isnt that asking too much of the Taliban? You have to give it to them. I recall very well when tbe US hit the Taliban following 9/11 and sent Mullah Omar and his merry men reeling. There was much big talk then about the folly of abandoning the likes of Tajik Ahmad Shah Masood after the retreat of the Soviets. Profuse appologies, and Blair promising that the Afghan people would never be abandoned again. It really looked then like finis for the Taliban. Curtains. But look at where we are today. The Taliban is the last man left standing. Just waiting impatiently to send that outfit presently in Kabul parking. It takes a special kind of man to absorb the blows the Americans threw at them over and over, getting blodied, yet crawling back up for more. You think such a man fights just for some Talibanlite?

The return of the Taliban to Kabul will be marked by a mass crucifixion on a scale as to dwarf Marcus Licinius' lining of the Appian way with 6000 crucifixions. Nothing less will do. The occasion would demand no less.

The Taliban have always reminded me of the Bolsheviks - fanatical believers in a noble cause, who are willing to sacrifice themselves and others in the service of that cause. And just as the Bolsheviks were refined in the crucible of the Russian Civil War, and emerged from it steel-hardened, stronger and more determined than ever, the Taliban have been refined in the crucible of two decades of war against overwhelming odds. You can never truly defeat enemies like this, as Hitler and now the Americans have learned to their cost.
#15178385
Potemkin wrote:The Taliban have always reminded me of the Bolsheviks - fanatical believers in a noble cause, who are willing to sacrifice themselves and others in the service of that cause. And just as the Bolsheviks were refined in the crucible of the Russian Civil War, and emerged from it steel-hardened, stronger and more determined than ever, the Taliban have been refined in the crucible of two decades of war against overwhelming odds. You can never truly defeat enemies like this, as Hitler and now the Americans have learned to their cost.


OTOH, the Bolsheviks eventually calmed down a few years after WWII - even more so after Stalin died.
#15178497
Red_Army wrote:I wonder when we are going to re-invade.



I think they will attack the neighbouring countries especially China, therefore the US retreats. Do not underestimate the deep state geo-strategists.

Most Afghans I know are proud to be the graveyard of empires. 20 Years ago was the US the sole super power, in military and economical terms, now are 2-3 super powers.
#15178518
Potemkin wrote:The Taliban have always reminded me of the Bolsheviks - fanatical believers in a noble cause, who are willing to sacrifice themselves and others in the service of that cause. And just as the Bolsheviks were refined in the crucible of the Russian Civil War, and emerged from it steel-hardened, stronger and more determined than ever, the Taliban have been refined in the crucible of two decades of war against overwhelming odds. You can never truly defeat enemies like this, as Hitler and now the Americans have learned to their cost.



The Bolsheviks had enormous economical growth, and industrialisation under Stalin, the taliban not.
#15178523
Sandzak wrote:The Bolsheviks had enormous economical growth, and industrialisation under Stalin, the taliban not.

Their Stalinist era has not yet begun. They are still in the closing stages of their foreign intervention and Civil War period; it's still only about 1921 or 1922 for them....
#15179464
Potemkin wrote:Their Stalinist era has not yet begun. They are still in the closing stages of their foreign intervention and Civil War period; it's still only about 1921 or 1922 for them....



The Bolsheviks eradicated within years illiteracy. The Bolsheviks were extremly pro science. The Bolsheviks provided for everybody jobs (if they wanted or not)

Afghanistan has enough resources industrialisation:

Afghanistan has over 1,400 mineral fields, containing barite, chromite, coal, copper, gold, iron ore, lead, natural gas, petroleum, precious and semi-precious stones, salt, sulfur, talc, and zinc, among many other minerals. Gemstones include high-quality emerald, lapis lazuli, red garnet and ruby.According to a joint study by The Pentagon and the United States Geological Survey, Afghanistan has an estimated US$7 trillion[5] of untapped minerals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan
#15179466
Sandzak wrote:The Bolsheviks eradicated within years illiteracy. The Bolsheviks were extremly pro science. The Bolsheviks provided for everybody jobs (if they wanted or not)

Afghanistan has enough resources industrialisation:

The Taliban are labouring under a great difficulty: they are not Marxists. Their highest aspiration is to establish a government based on Sharia law. This means that industrialisation is not an item high on their 'To Do' list.... :)
#15179672
It seems the deal was signed under Trump administration.
If Taliban cannot hold its words and attacked their counterparts (like what North Vietnam did),
why can't the Biden administration retract the agreement as transitional justice?
#15179673
Potemkin wrote:The Taliban are labouring under a great difficulty: they are not Marxists.
Their highest aspiration is to establish a government based on Sharia law.
This means that industrialisation is not an item high on their 'To Do' list.... :)


We can say it's actually industrialization that they are against.

Although one wonders what they could be left with if they take away the very source of their power (guns and bombs).
#15179674
Patrickov wrote:
We can say it's actually industrialization that they are against.

Although one wonders what they could be left with if they take away the very source of their power (guns and bombs).



Pakistan created them, supports them. Crippling the Taliban means crippling the ISI..
#15179684
Patrickov wrote:We can say it's actually industrialization that they are against.

Although one wonders what they could be left with if they take away the very source of their power (guns and bombs).

The source of their power is not guns or bombs. It is faith. This, after all, was the ultimate source of Soviet power; while the Soviet people had faith in the cause of Communism, Soviet power was a real thing. The Soviet military machine was never stronger than it was just before the collapse of 1991; but overnight all that military might became just so many hunks of scrap metal. All that power just crumbled into dust overnight. What they had lost was their faith, and without faith nothing else they had meant a damn thing.

The Taliban beat the Americans because they have faith and the Americans just had money and weapons. No contest.
#15179687
Potemkin wrote:The source of their power is not guns or bombs. It is faith. This, after all, was the ultimate source of Soviet power; while the Soviet people had faith in the cause of Communism, Soviet power was a real thing. The Soviet military machine was never stronger than it was just before the collapse of 1991; but overnight all that military might became just so many hunks of scrap metal. All that power just crumbled into dust overnight. What they had lost was their faith, and without faith nothing else they had meant a damn thing.

The Taliban beat the Americans because they have faith and the Americans just had money and weapons. No contest.


And the Americans and Soviets were not willing to take the necessary measures to actually defeat the Taliban for good, simply because doing so would have been much, much costlier for them than just losing.
#15179688
wat0n wrote:And the Americans and Soviets were not willing to take the necessary measures to actually defeat the Taliban for good, simply because doing so would have been much, much costlier for them than just losing.

This can be perceived as a lack of faith. If you believe in the rightness and necessity of what you are doing, then no price is too high to pay.

"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." - Matthew 17:20

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