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Albert wrote:Lauren Southern!


She is pretty hot, her voice is a bit too husky though, almost manly. ick.

Just watched this documentary this past labor day. the wife and I were eating hot wings in our pajamas if I remember correctly.... She fell asleep towards the end (last 20 minutes), but then again, we didn't start the bloody thing until midnight.

It was pretty good, just a bit too short. I didn't like how she shoved the microphone in people's faces. that was annoying.

She whips that thing around in peoples faces like a frat boy does his cock at a bunch of passed out sorority girls or new pledges during hazing.

I wanted to punch her for it. Oh well....minor quip.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:This thread should be moved to conspiracy theories.

This exact movie is mentioned in this article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_g ... acy_theory


except if you watched the documentary you would know that she explicitly denies that there is a white genocide at the end of the documentary, she only warns that the white population is in danger of violence and possible genocide in the future as tensions rise. Which is a reasonable conclusion.
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:except if you watched the documentary you would know that she explicitly denies that there is a white genocide at the end of the documentary, she only warns that the white population is in danger of violence and possible genocide in the future as tensions rise. Which is a reasonable conclusion.


I have no interest in watching racist propaganda.

Why do you think that is a reasonable conclusion?
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I have no interest in watching racist propaganda.


I watch the propaganda of psychotic leftist commies because I believe every angle should be analyzed without bias and to understand the concerns and real motives of my opponents, that you are not so enlightened is not surprising.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Why do you think that is a reasonable conclusion?


Because Genocide watch has put South Africa at stage 6-7. They are not associated with any political ideology and are an international humanitarian grouping seeking to end genocides.

Lauren Southern echoes this, she went to South Africa because she had heard from the far-right that there was an on-going genocide and from the left that there was nothing to talk about and that the right was being conspiratorial. She went in person to do interviews and analysis and concluded that there is NOT a genocide of whites in South Africa, but that the situation is a powder-keg. Anyone with a brain knowing the situation there, especially in light of the recent move towards land appropriation (which had yet to occur when this documentary was made) would conclude that things are heading towards a potential conflict.

http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2018/07 ... eard-this/

Genocide Watch in an international human rights organization especially concerned with genocide. It rates various countries with strong ethnic or religious conflicts according to ten stages of genocide. In the last few years, it has rated South Africa as being on the border of Polarization and Preparation, currently steps 6 and 7.

Step 8 is Persecution and Step 9 is Genocide. Step 10 is Denial of Genocide, an almost certain indication of further genocidal acts to come. South Africa’s 55 million population is just over 80 percent black, and the endangered group is the white minority of approximately 8.4 percent of the current population.

Before World War I, whites made up 22% of the population, but it had dropped to 11 percent by 1994, following the end of Apartheid and white political rule.

Moreover, on February 2018, The South African National Assembly voted 241 to 83 to amend the country’s constitution to allow confiscation of white-owned land without compensation. There may be other property confiscations of homes, businesses, and even art coming soon.

Former President Jacob Zuma had been threatening the move for some time, but a coalition of the ruling ANC (African National Congress with 249 seats) led by new President Cyril Ramaphosa) and the relatively new (2013) and even more radical EFF (Economic Freedom Fighters with 25 seats) led by Julius Malema pushed the confiscation without compensation bill through. Apparently 76 members of the total of 400 did not vote. Ramaphosa had previously promised to pursue “radical economic transformation.”

Ominously, Malema, the most violent and hateful in speaking of the white population, was allowed to introduce the legislation. Genocide Watch is concerned with the high murder rates in South Africa, especially the disproportionate number of white farmers killed. South Africa also has the highest rape crime rate in the world. There is also growing hate speech against whites in South Africa, much of it coming from powerful politicians. South Africa’s economy has been on a strong down-trend. The unemployment rate for 2016 was 26.6 percent. There have been many anti-white laws passed and more proposed. In desirable job categories, whites are limited to eight percent of the total.

The ANC has been in power since the end of Apartheid and the election of Nelson Mandela as President of South Africa in 1994. Although Mandela was a Communist member of the ANC coalition during Apartheid, he governed with deliberate moderation. The ANC was always a Leftist party, but it has grown more radical in its social and racial policies since Mandela. The EFF broke from the ANC in 2013 and can only be characterized as a Radical Left, black racist party. Malema and his red-dressed members dance and sing about killing Boers at their rallies. You can watch this on Willem Petzer’s June 25 YouTube video on the Farm Murders.

The second largest party in South Africa is the Democratic Alliance (DA), with 89 seats in the National Assembly. It is headed by Musi Maimane and is strongly opposed to confiscation of property without compensation. The party is strongest in urban areas, and is sometimes described as moderate and center-right. The ANC, while sill dominating with more than 62 percent in most elections, has been losing some ground to both the more moderate DA and the radical left EFF. The recent coalition of the ANC and EFF indicates Ramaphosa and the ANC feel there is a surge of black racial unity against whites and other races. Some are saying that despite Malema’s violent hate rhetoric, his followers may be as much as 10 percent of the voters and are especially strong among younger voters where unemployment is 53 percent.

Of the 4.6 million whites in South Africa, about 2.6 million are descendents of Dutch speaking early pioneers who began settling South Africa in 1652. These call themselves “Boers” Boer is the Dutch word for “farmer.” These Dutch emigrants were of the Dutch Reformed faith, and were joined by many emigrants of German, Swiss, French, and Scottish Reformed denominations. Their strongly differentiated dialect of Dutch is now recognized as a separate language called Afrikaans. The balance of the whites are predominantly of British descent.

In addition to the white minority, there is a mixed-race “coloured” minority of 8.8 percent and an Asian minority of 2.5 percent. In addition, there are about 5.0 million illegal black immigrants from Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe (formerly Southern Rhodesia) was a prosperous agricultural country until former President Robert Mugabe implemented his disastrous land redistribution program. The economy there collapsed when white farms were forcibly occupied and their owners driven off by persecution, violence, rape, torture, and murder. The leaders of the ANC and EFF do not seem to recognize that these same actions in South Africa will probably reap the same economic tragedy as in Zimbabwe.

The Boers owned about 85 percent of the farmland at the end of Apartheid and still own 72 percent. They did not take these farms from blacks. The Boers established and occupied most of these farmlands to get away from British rule in the early 19th century, before the black Bantu tribes began to emigrate in mass from central Africa.

According to a Genocide Watch report in July 2012, over 3,000 of 40,000 white farmers had been murdered since 1994. Crime statistics in South Africa have become unreliable for political reasons. However, AfriForum, a white civil rights organization, reported recently that trials occurred for 105 black on white murders with 73 convictions in 2017 versus 16 white on black murders. This report also revealed that the media was more than ten times as likely to report white on black violence than black on white, an ironic extreme in political correctness.
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:I watch the propaganda of psychotic leftist commies because I believe every angle should be analyzed without bias and to understand the concerns and real motives of my opponents, that you are not so enlightened is not surprising.


These little personal attacks are not relevant. Moving on...

Because Genocide watch has put South Africa at stage 6-7. They are not associated with any political ideology and are an international humanitarian grouping seeking to end genocides.


So you think that all the countries with a score higher than 6 are all going to commit genocide?

Why? Does Genocide Watch’s criteria make this likely?

Let us look at what Genocide Watch says about level 6, where South Africa is:

    POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Motivations for targeting a group are indoctrinated through mass media. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Leaders in targeted groups are the next to be arrested and murdered. The dominant group passes emergency laws or decrees that grants them total power over the targeted group. The laws erode fundamental civil rights and liberties. Targeted groups are disarmed to make them incapable of self-defense, and to ensure that the dominant group has total control.

    Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions. Vigorous objections should be raised to disarmament of opposition groups. If necessary they should be armed to defend themselves.

As far as I can tell, there are no extremists driving the groups apart. The only people who broadcast polarizing propaganda are people like Lauren Southern, and while I consider her and her ilk to be hate groups, I doubt you do.

The rest seems to be inapplicable to SA.

There are no arrests, no use of mass media, no laws against intermarriage, etc. This seems to describe Apartheid era SA more than it describes modern SA.

Lauren Southern echoes this, she went to South Africa because she had heard from the far-right that there was an on-going genocide and from the left that there was nothing to talk about and that the right was being conspiratorial. She went in person to do interviews and analysis and concluded that there is NOT a genocide of whites in South Africa, but that the situation is a powder-keg. Anyone with a brain knowing the situation there, especially in light of the recent move towards land appropriation (which had yet to occur when this documentary was made) would conclude that things are heading towards a potential conflict.

http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2018/07 ... eard-this/


The claim that the media is in a conspiracy to keep it quiet is one of the reasons why this whole thread should be moved to conspiracy theories.

And the whole “white farmers”are being killed meme is based on dodgy statistics and is unverified.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642

    According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.
    South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year.
    That's broadly in line with figures collected by the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU). They rely on media reports, social media posts and tip-offs from their members, which means they don't pick up every murder or attack that takes place.
    They counted 64 murders on farms in 2015, 71 in 2016, and 68 in the first nine months of 2017 alone.
    It is worth noting that both the police and the TAU are counting murdered farmers, farm workers and visitors to farms - irrespective of race.
    But a rise in the number of farm murders doesn't tell us anything about whether farmers are more at risk than average South African.
    To do that, we need to calculate the murder rate - the chance of being murdered.
    It's easy enough to tell you what the average is for South Africa.
    There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.
    According to Statistics South Africa's mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.
    That's 34 murders for every 100,000 people.
    Are farmers at greater risk than this national average?
    How many farmers?
    The truth is, we don't know. We can't calculate a meaningful murder rate for farmers, because we don't know how many there are.

    Do we include all 810,000 people employed in agriculture? That gives a farm murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000 - much lower than the South African average.
    Or, do we restrict ourselves to the 32,375 commercial farmers counted in the country's last agricultural census in 2007?
    That's what AfriForum, a group that campaigns for the interests of Afrikaners in South Africa, appears to have done.
    It has estimated a farm murder rate of 156 per 100,000 that has been widely quoted in recent days.
    It appears to be calculated as follows.
    First, take the 50 murdered farmers counted by the TAU in 2016 (which excludes murders of family members, employees and visitors).
    Then, divide by 32,000 - an estimate of the total number of farmers, based on the 2007 figure.
    There are problems with this approach.
    First, the data is very old, so the number of farmers may be different now.
    Second, to exclude murdered family members, employees, and visitors to the farm from such an analysis misses part of the picture of what is happening on South African farms - but we don't know how many of those people there are.
    Third, the 2007 census did not include small, non-commercial farms - but some of the murders counted in the figures did take place on smaller farms. By leaving them out, the murder rate comes out higher than it should.

So, what numbers are being used to come up with the GW numbers?
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How about we make a deal Pants.

If the blacks genocide the whites in south africa, you agree to refer to me as Daddy for the rest of our times on PoFo. :lol:

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