Victoribus Spolia wrote:I watch the propaganda of psychotic leftist commies because I believe every angle should be analyzed without bias and to understand the concerns and real motives of my opponents, that you are not so enlightened is not surprising.
These little personal attacks are not relevant. Moving on...
Because Genocide watch has put South Africa at stage 6-7. They are not associated with any political ideology and are an international humanitarian grouping seeking to end genocides.
So you think that all the countries with a score higher than 6 are all going to commit genocide?
Why? Does Genocide Watch’s criteria make this likely?
Let us look at what Genocide Watch says about level 6, where South Africa is:
POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Motivations for targeting a group are indoctrinated through mass media. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Leaders in targeted groups are the next to be arrested and murdered. The dominant group passes emergency laws or decrees that grants them total power over the targeted group. The laws erode fundamental civil rights and liberties. Targeted groups are disarmed to make them incapable of self-defense, and to ensure that the dominant group has total control.
Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions. Vigorous objections should be raised to disarmament of opposition groups. If necessary they should be armed to defend themselves.
As far as I can tell, there are no extremists driving the groups apart. The only people who broadcast polarizing propaganda are people like Lauren Southern, and while I consider her and her ilk to be hate groups, I doubt you do.
The rest seems to be inapplicable to SA.
There are no arrests, no use of mass media, no laws against intermarriage, etc. This seems to describe Apartheid era SA more than it describes modern SA.
Lauren Southern echoes this, she went to South Africa because she had heard from the far-right that there was an on-going genocide and from the left that there was nothing to talk about and that the right was being conspiratorial. She went in person to do interviews and analysis and concluded that there is NOT a genocide of whites in South Africa, but that the situation is a powder-keg. Anyone with a brain knowing the situation there, especially in light of the recent move towards land appropriation (which had yet to occur when this documentary was made) would conclude that things are heading towards a potential conflict.
http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2018/07 ... eard-this/
The claim that the media is in a conspiracy to keep it quiet is one of the reasons why this whole thread should be moved to conspiracy theories.
And the whole “white farmers”are being killed meme is based on dodgy statistics and is unverified. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642
According to the best available statistics, farm murders are at their highest level since 2010-11.
South Africa's Police Service says 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017, up from 58 in the previous year.
That's broadly in line with figures collected by the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU). They rely on media reports, social media posts and tip-offs from their members, which means they don't pick up every murder or attack that takes place.
They counted 64 murders on farms in 2015, 71 in 2016, and 68 in the first nine months of 2017 alone.
It is worth noting that both the police and the TAU are counting murdered farmers, farm workers and visitors to farms - irrespective of race.
But a rise in the number of farm murders doesn't tell us anything about whether farmers are more at risk than average South African.
To do that, we need to calculate the murder rate - the chance of being murdered.
It's easy enough to tell you what the average is for South Africa.
There were 19,016 murders in South Africa in 2016-17, according to the police.
According to Statistics South Africa's mid-year estimate for 2016, there were 55,908,900 people in South Africa.
That's 34 murders for every 100,000 people.
Are farmers at greater risk than this national average?
How many farmers?
The truth is, we don't know. We can't calculate a meaningful murder rate for farmers, because we don't know how many there are.
Do we include all 810,000 people employed in agriculture? That gives a farm murder rate of 9.1 per 100,000 - much lower than the South African average.
Or, do we restrict ourselves to the 32,375 commercial farmers counted in the country's last agricultural census in 2007?
That's what AfriForum, a group that campaigns for the interests of Afrikaners in South Africa, appears to have done.
It has estimated a farm murder rate of 156 per 100,000 that has been widely quoted in recent days.
It appears to be calculated as follows.
First, take the 50 murdered farmers counted by the TAU in 2016 (which excludes murders of family members, employees and visitors).
Then, divide by 32,000 - an estimate of the total number of farmers, based on the 2007 figure.
There are problems with this approach.
First, the data is very old, so the number of farmers may be different now.
Second, to exclude murdered family members, employees, and visitors to the farm from such an analysis misses part of the picture of what is happening on South African farms - but we don't know how many of those people there are.
Third, the 2007 census did not include small, non-commercial farms - but some of the murders counted in the figures did take place on smaller farms. By leaving them out, the murder rate comes out higher than it should.
So, what numbers are being used to come up with the GW numbers?