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SolarCross wrote:I recall someone here some time ago "proving" that communism was better than capitalism because Communist China was more technological than Capitalist Kenya as if the average iq of the Chinese 105 in comparison with the average iq of Kenya 80 was not the more pertinent reason. This is what I mean by saying "Africa is less developed now than Europe was a thousand years ago" because a thousand years ago europeans had the ingenuity and will to build cathedrals and all manner of tech and social practices even without an external example. A thousand years ago the foundations of modern europe were already being laid. No such thing is happening in Africa even now and probably never will.


100 years ago the average IQ in Europe was below 80.

I don't get the obsession with IQ tests. AFAIK they're like any other test, the more effort you put into them, the better you get. Some ragged children in Africa probably don't give a damn while the communist party drills its school children to do well.
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Same for height! The more you practice standing tall, the taller you will be. Intelligence, measured imperfectly by I.Q., is innate. It can be limited by factors such as poor nutrition. Most of the problems in Sub-Saharan Africa can be attributed to low I.Q.

Like the terms used to describe the stupid, idiot, imbecile, moron, retarded, the Third World will remain the Third World no matter what name is attached to it. I think Shakespeare said something about a rose.
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Rugoz wrote:100 years ago the average IQ in Europe was below 80.


The European average was raised by a combination of industrialisation and killing off the lower classes through intense and sustained structural violence. Conscripting the lower classes into military service and killing them off in pointless wars was the preferred method of industrial eugenics but the penal system got rid of quite a few useless eaters as well. There were over 200 offences on the books that carried the death penalty so that helped thin the herd, and the ones that weren't executed got sentenced to transport.
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You musta never been to Ethopia. Don't think I ever saw in fat poor folks in Sub-Saharan Africa. 8)


Actually I have. And I did see them. I really don't see how that matters.

There was an old one liner...."What's the fastest thing in Ethiopia? A chicken."
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Sivad wrote:The European average was raised by a combination of industrialisation and killing off the lower classes through intense and sustained structural violence. Conscripting the lower classes into military service and killing them off in pointless wars was the preferred method of industrial eugenics but the penal system got rid of quite a few useless eaters as well. There were over 200 offences on the books that carried the death penalty so that helped thin the herd, and the ones that weren't executed got sentenced to transport.


That makes no sense. The only major war in Europe in the past 100 years was WW2, but in most Western European countries only ~1% or less of the population died in that conflict. Those countries experienced the same raise in average IQ. Even ignoring that fact, it is questionable whether lower classes were massively overrepresented in the population that died and whether class and (innate) IQ were actually closely related at the time. 100 years ago only ~5% of the population got some college education, 88% didn't even graduate high school (in the US).

Suntzu wrote:Same for height! The more you practice standing tall, the taller you will be. Intelligence, measured imperfectly by I.Q., is innate. It can be limited by factors such as poor nutrition. Most of the problems in Sub-Saharan Africa can be attributed to low I.Q.


I wasn't even referring to the whole nurture vs. nature debate (we all know it's both), but to the simple fact that when you put two equally intelligent children to the test, one ambitious and the other not, the outcome is obvious.
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Rugoz wrote:That makes no sense. The only major war in Europe in the past 100 years was WW2, but in most Western European countries only ~1% or less of the population died in that conflict.


I dispute this.

What about WW1, which most of England seems to think more devastating to this day?
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:eh: WW1 was not more devastating. England was not bombed in WW1. Can you provide a source for this claim, @Patrickov ?
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Godstud wrote::eh: WW1 was not more devastating. England was not bombed in WW1. Can you provide a source for this claim, @Patrickov ?


In WW1 their soldiers suffered and died in trenches spanning France and Belgium, while in WW2 they either were quickly evacuated (through Dunkirk) or simply were counterattacking. Being bombed at home, by comparison, seemed not that devastating...
#15009498
@Patrickov If you ONLY look at casualty counts of WW1 and WW2, then yes, WW1 killed more English. If you look at long-term economic and physical damage to the nation, then WW2 was far more damaging to the nation, as a whole.
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Godstud wrote:@Patrickov If you ONLY look at casualty counts of WW1 and WW2, then yes, WW1 killed more English. If you look at long-term economic and physical damage to the nation, then WW2 was far more damaging to the nation, as a whole.


Rudoz and Sivad mainly focused on casualties, and in fact that part of the discussion was about "how European countries achieved greatness through elimination of lower-end population", so I consider other damages less relevant.
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