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@Zionist Nationalist

But colonization certainly isn't more better. The aftershock of colonization is greater than any technology or economic growth that could be brought to the colonized place. The aftershocks of colonization cause hurting even to this day.

South Africa would've modernized at it's own pace. This is the best scenario for any civilization. If South Africa modernized at it's own pace, even though it would take forever, it would still be better off than being colonized. Colonization creates skepticism of modernization since the people of the formerly colonized country would associate it with imperialism. If it wasn't colonized it would view modernism more nicely.
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By Suntzu
#14820029
Oxymandias wrote:@Suntzu

So do you. You also know nothing of the history of South African history.

Just saying that I do doesn't excuse you from being ignorant.


I'm actually quite conversant in SA history, not a expert, but you obviously know nothing.

Oxymandias wrote:@Zionist Nationalist

But colonization certainly isn't more better. The aftershock of colonization is greater than any technology or economic growth that could be brought to the colonized place. The aftershocks of colonization cause hurting even to this day.

South Africa would've modernized at it's own pace. This is the best scenario for any civilization. If South Africa modernized at it's own pace, even though it would take forever, it would still be better off than being colonized. Colonization creates skepticism of modernization since the people of the formerly colonized country would associate it with imperialism. If it wasn't colonized it would view modernism more nicely.


SA was a colony a very long time ago, not since 1806.
#14820037
Zionist Nationalist wrote:South africa was nothing before colonization

a wasteland with some tribes in it who were still living in the stone age


Yes, the Europeans were the pioneers, there were no Black Africans when Europeans arrived in the region. The only Natives were a couple of Bushmen.
The Black Africans came later, and they genocided the native Bushmen.
See the Bantu expansion in Wikipedia.
#14820052
@Suntzu

That's not my point. I'm not saying it was a colony now, I'm saying that colonization isn't as cracked up as it's thought to be which is what @Zionist Nationalist was arguing.

It was an apartheid state shortly afterward, which in a sense, is still imperialism and therefore colonization.
#14820061
@Suntzu

South Africa became a colony in 1806 and ended in 1910, it became a apartheid in 1948. This is in fact, shortly after since there's only 30 year gap. Not only that, but during that 30 year gap, it was still under British occupation.

In the end, you have information that shows you are wrong.

[Bulaba edit: warning issued, multiple off-topic personal attacks / Rule 2s removed]
#14820160
South Africans trapped ‘like frogs in boiling water’ as racial violence escalates

HELESTI Daye-Fourie never leaves her house after dark. The risk of being carjacked and shot standing in her own driveway is too high.

Every day after picking up her eight-year-old son from school, the Johannesburg mum-of-two takes a different route home, eyes on the rear-view mirror. Her 20-month-old toddler sits in his car seat behind her, where he can easily be grabbed at a moment’s notice.

That’s because Ms Day-Fourie doesn’t want her son, in the event of an attack, to be trapped by his seatbelt, dragged along outside of the car and killed — as happened to a four-year-old boy whose parents and sister were forced out of their car by three armed men in nearby Boksburg, just 30 minutes away.

In Centurion, an hour’s drive away, a two-year-old was shot in the head during an attempted carjacking earlier this year.

“It makes us sound extremely paranoid, but this is how you need to live in South Africa if you want to stay safe,” she said. “Always cautious, always aware and always ready with an escape route. This is how we have to live, because s**t like this happens.”

The 37-year-old, who works in digital marketing, said that she and most other South Africans were “so used to being frogs in the pot of boiling water that most days we don’t really realise how much is wrong with South Africa at the moment”.

“We have become so used to the daily instances of crime around us that we probably don’t even react to it anymore,” she said. “And that is the scary part. I guess if we had to react to what is happening around us, like ‘normal’ people would, we just won’t be able to function on a day-to-day basis.”

There has been rising racial violence in South Africa. Farmers in South Africa suffer more murders per capita than any other community across the world outside a war zone, and many are increasingly weighing their future.

But for the average family, the plummeting currency makes emigration unaffordable. Countries like Australia, the US and Canada accept a certain number of refugees each year, mainly through referrals from the UNHCR.

As of 2015, the UN body had about 112,000 registered refugees in South Africa, the majority from Somalia, the Congo and Ethiopia, with 899 resettlement submissions made in that year. For those wishing to come to Australia, the only other option is under the special humanitarian program, which requires a sponsor already here to apply on their behalf.

Ms Day-Fourie said most South Africans don’t want to leave, but for the sake of her children, “not considering emigration would be selfish”. She believes becoming a victim of violence is only a matter of time if they remain in the country.

She said the process of leaving “starts with a mind shift”. “We have a beautiful country and 85 per cent of the people are warm and loving. But bad things happen and becoming a victim of violent crime is not a case of if but when,” she said.

(...)

News Au


South Africa is rapidly disintegrating, with the current corrupt junta using rhetoric similar to Zimbabwe's Mugabe, calling for 'whites' to be stripped of their land. It's racial-class warfare. Interestingly enough, Canuckstan has recently denied an asylum claim from white Africans. Which is amusing, considering all the other dubious asylum claims they've been granting.
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@Suntzu

But you said in your previous post that you want to be in their place

Suntzu wrote:White South Africans have proven to be very resilient.

That said, I would want to be in their place.

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