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False. Get a decent graphics card and Oblivion shines. It makes 'Morrowind' itself look lacklustre. And nothing beats galloping through the lush countryside of Cyrodiil on horseback. Coolness

Oblivion is bad as a game and a story, not graphicly.

False. Under communism, there is a dialectical interaction between individualism and collectivism. It is fascism which valorises crass collectivism, and anarchism which valorises crass individualism. And in a classless society (which a communism society, by definition, would be), there are no class anatagonisms and therefore no need for a state.


Dialectics is when two opposed forces negate eachother to make something better. At least that's what I remember from Hegel anyway.

The state is not the result of class antagonisms. No, the state is the result of collectivism, of communism effectively beacause collectivism, requires regulation and regulation neccesitates a state. Every endeavor, whether invidiual or collective is regulated, an endeavor

It is the normal pattern of individualist exploiters, like capitalists, to try and make the collective their property. Indeed that is the basis of what they are. It is also, in an opposed tendancy, for the collective, as embodied by the goverment, to try and make the individual and their efforts their property.

I've come up with a saying, which sums up my political/economic philosophy

Without individuals the collective doesn't exist.
Without the collective, the individual cannot live.

Neither the collective or the individual can live without one-another.

Where do you get that idea from? The state is actually used to mediate between antagnostic social classes; it can portray itself as being 'above' such class conflicts and able to impose a 'just' social order. Marx's analysis of the government of Napoleon III makes this very clear. Even Blair is doing it right now, with his hot air about creating a 'meritocracy' through the New Labour state.

The classes are economic in origin. The state exists above the economic realities that govern the rest of society, the state has the power to take whatever it wants from the economy. Beacause it is above the collective, it is above economics. A state is governed by ideals and pragmatism, all other groups do their best to ensure that the ideals of the state are aligned to their interests and ensure that serving them is pragmatic.

The just state, ensures that all groups are subject to it's will and that it does not serve any group, but all groups. The realisation of the just state, creates "communism" beacause such a state, by ensuring that none get the upper hand, ensures equality and thus ensures that true collectivism is realised. States fail, beacause they are subject to the power of other groups, of classes and to
ideals which favor those groups. They lose their transcendancy, thus they fail.

A system without a state is entirely realisable. It's called 'Communism'.


No system without a state is really possible to realise. Communism, ie the collectavisation of property, accentuates the need for the state, beacause it creates a group, which must have a mind and a will to "act". The state, whoever
may constitute the governing body of it, ultimately presides over collective endeavor. That is it's purpose, to preside over that which is a collective endeavor. If all property is collective, then everything is a collective endeavor, which means a state *must* exist.
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