Oxymandias wrote:Do you consider a Christian shooting up a black church an act of terrorism?
Well, I assume that question considers the shooter to be white, since lots of blacks are Christians too. If the shooter is not tied to a larger group and isn't inspired by one, it could be treated as a so-called "lone wolf" terrorist attack. However, I tend to think that is somewhat pointless unless they are shouting some slogan or phrase that might appeal to a larger group. Otherwise, it's a more standard "hate crime," a notion I also disagree with.
Oxymandias wrote:Do you consider a Muslim punching a random person in the face an act of terrorism?
Same answer. Is it a random Muslim too, or someone with ties to Al Qaeda or Isis and trying to achieve a political objective?
Oxymandias wrote:What does American television have to do with this?
Terrorism itself makes little sense without mass media of some sort. I don't think it stops and starts at American television, but that is generally where people have gone to get their news in the recent past. That is changing dramatically now with the internet and smart phones.
Oxymandias wrote:I am talking about Omar Mateen specifically, not all Islamists and given the information we have of his personal life, His being gay is very feasible. A male friend of his from 2006, when the two were in police academy together, said that Mateen went to gay clubs with him and that Mateen once expressed an interest in dating him. Club-goers also recalled Mateen dancing with another man. One classmate, who asked not to be identified by name, said Mateen asked him if he was gay.
Furthermore Omar Mateen was reported to have been a regular at the aforementioned night-club where the tragedy happened. Sometimes Mateen drank in a corner by himself, other times he was loud and obnoxious. A witness, who recognized Mateen outside the club an hour before the shootings, told investigators that Mateen had been messaging him for about a year using a gay dating app called "Jack'd". He gave his phone to the FBI for analysis, along with his login details for the application. Another witness said that Mateen had tried to pick up men at the nightclub.
Perhaps. So wouldn't that ultimately mean that mikema63 is really not being honest with himself? What he really has to fear isn't Christians or Muslims per se, but rather other homosexuals who are not comfortable with their own nature? And what is the rationale for people like Mohammed Atta? Are extremely violent people really just repressed homosexuals in general?
Oxymandias wrote:Furthermore, his father was an Islamist himself, had very negative thoughts on gays and lesbians, and was described as a strict, abusive father.
Ironically, he was also a Hillary Clinton supporter just like mikema63. I recall the left going bananas saying Trump needed to deliberately and repeatedly distance himself from David Duke, but the same apparently did not apply to Hillary Clinton distancing herself from Mateen's father who was something of a fan of the Taliban. Since the right picked up on that, eventually Hillary Clinton did distance herself from Mateen while providing a similar argument to Donald Trump about not controlling who supports you.
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