The others can read son. I am not going to repost what I have already posted in this thread or others.
As to your calling me a poser. There are those here who know very well whether I am competent to comment or not. Your opinions about me are chlidish and laughable. The last resort of the defeated.
Note that the entire extent of your knowledge on the subject is what you have read on anti-vaxer websites and googled. Frequently you do not understand what you are reading and it is glaringly obvious to the rest of us.
Yeah, so let's err on the side of massive underreporting. Brilliant safety strategy there, it'll keep all that pesky data from mucking up the science.
Naive at best. Under reporting what? Which data set? What method would you use (since you
brought up Lupus) to report association between vaccines and SLE? Tell me how to structure that reporting in a way that is not being done already and presents usable data. (Pro-hint: You can't.)
You seem to think that a major flaw in this system is like inconceivable or something,
A major flaw in the safety of vaccines is highly unlikely given their save use all around the world for generations. Where is the data to even suggest a "major flaw"? That is something you have seemed to forget to post.
but maybe it is, after all government bureaucracies are known for their perfect record of getting shit right.
I see. You base your rejection of vaccine use on some general paranoia about governments getting shit wrong. And you accuse others of being unscientific?
The arrogance of youth.
In this case you have concluded that every country in the world is getting this shit wrong. Every college, every university, every health department, every researcher, and every manufacturer has fucked it up.
And I have never suggested "getting rid of vaccination entirely", that's just more blatant bullshitting from you.
Really? What do you want? A 100% guarantee that life will not deal you a misfortune? That for something to be a good idea it must be a 100% solution? Life is not like that.
We have a term for what you are doing. "Pole vaulting over mouse turds."
There are very few things that have been more carefully studied and successfully used for so long as vaccines. Every year they save quite literally millions of lives. You are far too young to remember life when diseases that most doctors have never seen killed thousands of Americans and millions world wide. And maimed many times more than that.
The year I graduated from high school smallpox killed 2 million people and maimed 15 million more. In the 20th centrury (half of which I experienced) 500 million people died of smallpox. Now it has been eradicated. But WAIT! What if it caused a tiny fraction of people to have a reaction? Well it did. And some died. We knew that it was contraindicated in some patients. But they were protected by the almost universal vaccination of others. Any way you parse the numbers we are infinitely better off without smallpox and the tiny fraction of those injured by the vaccine, while sad in each case, died that others might live.
So let me give you an example of the kind of shit anti-vaxer sites believe would be important to illustrate the naivety of their claims.
The year my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer she got a flu shot. Was the flu shot a contributing factor to her developing breast cancer? How do you know? Perhaps the CDC should ask all doctors to ask all newly diagnosed breast cancer patients whether or not they had received the flu vaccine that year. What would the numbers show? 36.5% of all new breast cancer cases were in women who received flu vaccine! Holy shit! Did you learn anything from this very real number?
Imagine what would happen if, acting on nothing more than a suggestion of a correlation, the CDC required all doctors to report all new cases of breast cancer in women who received flu vaccine. What would these data tell us? More importantly, how many women would be frightened into not getting flu vaccine because.... "there must be some reason the CDC is investigating this stuff and I can survive flu but not breast cancer"....and so she does not get vaccinated for flu, gets it, takes a few days off work, and her coworker, who she gave it to, dies.
You see, young man, there are consequences to even suggesting a problem or solution.
A few decades ago there was a Nobel Prize winner (chemistry and peace) named Linus Pauling. He got Brights disease and treated it with vitamins. He published a book pushing the value of vitamin C to fight everything from cancer to the common cold. Soon everyone and their brother were taking massive doses of vitamin C. I did too on occasion. The anecdotal stories of colds prevented and other diseases cured abounded. The sale of Vitamin C went through the ozone. It is still there by the way as deluded people eat the shit like candy. Too bad that it was all bullshit. Mayo disproved the cancer cure myth during controlled studies in the early 80s. Other claims fell and continue to fall. But you are the guy who would google the Nobel winner, post his youtube video, and conclude that government and the "cancer industry" were suppressing this miracle cure because there is money in it and governments are fuck-ups.
You want me to post data to refute the claims of a very few. The data on vaccine safety has been around for generations. You simply chose out of hand to reject it. Or to propose a solution that very well may do vastly more harm than good.
Research into vaccine safety has not stopped. It is ongoing. It is not a subject for the five o'clock news. Why? Because people like you don't understand how these studies are done and come to absurd conclusions.
Meanwhile I am going to go today to get my second Hep A+B shot with complete confidence.
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