- 16 Mar 2019 05:03
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That's a deliberate distortion. I have stated my doubts about the safety of vaccines but the point I've been making all along is that the science does not support the establishment's claims that vaccines are proven safe and effective.
Those "certain things" are the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.
I never said it did and I don't need it to because I have plenty of evidence for both.
No, it's not just 'some person", I got the top babbitts themselves like the director of the CDC saying vaccines can cause autism. You want me to repost the video of Julie Gerberding saying vaccines can and do cause autism? I can also repost the recording of the chief of the Immunization Safety Branch of the National Immunization Program saying the same exact thing. I can repost the testimony of Dr Spitzer saying that the epidemiology is underpowered to the point that it couldn't detect a vaccine/autism association in up to 20% of cases and I can repost the director of NIH saying the science isn't settled and the public health establishment is trying to ignore the issue.
I have posted ten pages of thread(conservatively) of just the opinions of top experts, and another ten of studies, meta analyses, and systematic reviews and you've ignored it all. You don't care what the reality is, you're only interested in defending your inane worldview. For any honest, intelligent person, this "debate" was over like 50 thread pages ago.
Expert opinion is definitely evidence.
I post the science, you just ignore it because you don't like what it says. Just a few pages back I posted two studies discussing the under-reporting of adverse events and your response was to just to flat out deny that I had posted them.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, you have been saying that they are not safe and effective.
That's a deliberate distortion. I have stated my doubts about the safety of vaccines but the point I've been making all along is that the science does not support the establishment's claims that vaccines are proven safe and effective.
And then you present evidence that the data collected by US government bodies is not enough to determine certain things.
Those "certain things" are the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.
And I am pointing out that the latter does not provide evidence for the former.
I never said it did and I don't need it to because I have plenty of evidence for both.
Or you present the opinion of some person with credentials.
No, it's not just 'some person", I got the top babbitts themselves like the director of the CDC saying vaccines can cause autism. You want me to repost the video of Julie Gerberding saying vaccines can and do cause autism? I can also repost the recording of the chief of the Immunization Safety Branch of the National Immunization Program saying the same exact thing. I can repost the testimony of Dr Spitzer saying that the epidemiology is underpowered to the point that it couldn't detect a vaccine/autism association in up to 20% of cases and I can repost the director of NIH saying the science isn't settled and the public health establishment is trying to ignore the issue.
I have posted ten pages of thread(conservatively) of just the opinions of top experts, and another ten of studies, meta analyses, and systematic reviews and you've ignored it all. You don't care what the reality is, you're only interested in defending your inane worldview. For any honest, intelligent person, this "debate" was over like 50 thread pages ago.
That is also not evidence
Expert opinion is definitely evidence.
thought they sometimes allude to such evidence in the quotes you choose.
I post the science, you just ignore it because you don't like what it says. Just a few pages back I posted two studies discussing the under-reporting of adverse events and your response was to just to flat out deny that I had posted them.
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