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colliric wrote:You both need to take a chill pill.
I agree with @Patrickov that Godstud trusts the CCP too much.
We all know this virus originated in Wuhan, Hubei probably at that wet market or in that Lab and that the CCP decided it was a good idea to repeat the SARS cover-up controversy again on an even bigger scale than last time.
Drlee wrote:The US response has been pathetic at the federal level. Economic support has been absurdly small and no accountability. The epidemiological response is a major embarrassment.
Lab lies: U.S. continues disinformation campaign about Wuhan virus lab
As COVID-19 maintains its devastating spread throughout the world, it has found an unlikely ally: The United States government.
Case and fatality counts in the U.S. continue to rise—nearly 1.4 million infected and over 80,000 dead as of May 11—but rather than take stock of its disastrous response and chart a new course, the U.S. appears poised to double down on its cataclysmic policies by stoking acrimony toward countries that have successfully contained their own outbreaks. As is so often the case lately, the prime target is China.
More specifically the target is the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a Biosafety Level 4 lab working on the front lines of epidemic detection and prevention since its opening in 2015. It, along with other Chinese medical facilities, contributed to the sequencing and publication of the virus’s genetic code. This allowed the world to begin research into the vaccines and treatments that will save countless lives. Despite the essential role it has played in combating the outbreak, the institute’s work with bat coronaviruses has fallen under a great deal of scrutiny. This is because the natural reservoir of the novel coronavirus—and by extension, the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic—is almost assuredly bats.
An unfortunate coincidence—and one that has thrown fuel on the conspiratorial fire. Crackpot theories that used to be the exclusive domain of the fringe are now finding purchase in the mainstream. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has been at the fore of this disinformation offensive, implying on several occasions that the institute has something to hide. He has not, of course, provided any evidence to back these charges. Perhaps as a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, he’s grown used to lying every time he opens his mouth.
To no one’s great surprise, this isn’t the first time the WIV has been used as a political football. Earlier in the year—when the outbreak was considered a “Chinese problem” and figures in the U.S. gleefully predicted the country’s demise—a wildly inflammatory claim was floated by prominent hawks like Arkansas Republican Sen. Tom Cotton and former White House strategist Steve Bannon.
With vague, insinuating language, they began “just asking questions” about the institute and its role in the spread of the virus. Few mainstream outlets took the bait, and scientists were quick to dismiss the idea COVID-19 was created in a lab. As even the most basic level of analysis reveals no signs of human tampering or modification, the prevailing opinion among scientists worldwide is the virus is zoonotic, or of natural origin.
But that didn’t stop the media-industrial complex in its ongoing efforts to shift culpability for the virus onto China. An alternative theory emerged, one which sounds more reasonable to the average person but has the same level of proof—that is to say, none whatsoever. Hence the hubbub over a supposed “lab leak.”
If Pompeo really had “enormous evidence” of a lab origin, as he declared in a recent interview, he would have released it already. Are we to believe Pompeo’s State Department, which has spewed endless vitriol at China, would just sit on a smoking gun? The same goes for the vaunted “intelligence community,” which has laundered baseless rumors through anonymous officials by telling reporters they have proof of X, Y, or Z transgression from China—again, without providing said proof or even a quote. Actual journalists would refuse to publish these obvious attempts at damage control, but that’s not who’s employed in the U.S. stenography service that calls itself the “free press.”
Through this diverse set of narratives, U.S. pundits and politicians are taking advantage of widespread panic, anger, and ignorance to deceive the public and deflect blame from their own country’s disastrous mishandling of the outbreak. Just as allegations of a “cover-up” ignored the inevitable challenges any country would experience dealing with a brand new virus, the plausibility of this alternative line of attack depends on a profound scientific illiteracy.
Few familiar with the stringent safety and security protocols of a BSL-4 lab would make this accusation with a straight face. Field researchers wear full protective gear and instantly freeze the samples they collect with nitrogen. Any samples that made it back to the lab would have an inactivated virus, not a cultured specimen that could infect staff. These practices were followed strictly, in keeping with all international standards.
What’s more, a “publish or perish” culture prevalent in world academia means the lab would have published its initial findings almost immediately, including the genetic sequence—as was done mere days after the novel coronavirus was identified. No such records exist; bat coronavirus specialist Shi Zhengli pored over the WIV’s data and found zero matches among samples collected for the institute’s work.
Some might argue, wrongly, that the word of Chinese scientists can’t be trusted. But they aren’t the only ones speaking out. Epidemiologist Jonna Mazet, disease ecologist Peter Daszak, and microbiologist Robert Garry were all quoted in a story for National Public Radio categorically denying the possibility of a lab-grown virus or accidental infection. Columbia University virologist Angela Rasmussen hit out at Washington Post reporter Josh Rogin on Twitter after his column dredging up an old State Department memo helped to mainstream the “leak” story.
This includes people with direct knowledge. Danielle Anderson, virologist at Singapore’s Duke-NUS Medical School, said this to educational non-profit Health Feedback: “I have worked in this exact laboratory at various times for the past two years. I can personally attest to the strict control and containment measures implemented while working there. The staff at WIV are incredibly competent, hardworking, and are excellent scientists with superb track records.”
I find it curious that the people ginning up this furor over the WIV are almost entirely journalists and politicians. I’m sure it’s purely by chance many of them have had an axe to grind over China for years. On the other hand, medical professionals, virologists, and epidemiologists—people with years of training and firsthand experience in outbreak control—have, for the most part, been refuting the lies peddled by the media and political classes. The trouble is they don’t have those groups’ platforms or prestige.
A culture that habitually rejects science for conspiracy-mongering and sensationalism—most notably in the proliferation of “vaccine skeptics” responsible for a resurgence of long-dormant diseases like measles—means corporate media outlets and the politicians they cover dominate the conversation. These forces march in lockstep when it comes to anything involving China, and even ostensibly “left-wing” figures jump aboard the bandwagon. They talk a big game about peace and international cooperation, but when the time comes to fight the rhetoric of a new Cold War, they’re as bloodthirsty as their rightist counterparts.
If we’re to have any hope of eradicating this pandemic, it’s going to take a group effort. Countries that beat back the virus have much to teach the rest of the world—but they can’t force anyone to learn. If the U.S. government is determined to continue on this path, stubbornly sticking to its guns as thousands die each day, then the least it can do is stop trying to take others with it.
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/la ... virus-lab/
Godstud wrote:213 countries with Covid-19 and USA is #31 when it comes to the worst place to be? How is that "good", unless you are demented and don't care about human lives?
Godstud wrote:USA is #1 in most infections in a country.
Godstud wrote:Are you also proud of that, or of the 93,439 death Americans from Covid-19?
Godstud wrote:@Patrickov you are as willfully ignorant as @Hindsite, in that everything you don't want to believe, is fake news.
Godstud wrote:If we don't agree with you, we're in league with CCP or Satan, or anything else stupid like that.
Godstud wrote:Feelings... Present some facts, instead.
Godstud wrote:China hasn't been a big topic of discussion until this pandemic came about.
Godstud wrote:I don't believe in Communism, @Hindsite, any more than I believe in a god the likes of which you worship.
It's good, because people aren't dying at high rates like they are in Belgium, home to the capitol of the European Union.
Drlee wrote:The president is touting and taking a drug which is useless in this disease and dangerous to some people.
late wrote:But first among them is that our response has been so feeble, and the blame for that resides almost entirely on the president...
late wrote:Perhaps it's time to pay a little less attention to your handlers, and a little more to the pandemic guys.
late wrote:"Often, not always ... often the second wave of a pandemic is worse," Poland said
Godstud wrote:@blackjack21 Your argument is anti-intellectual. The NHS isn't the problem.
Godstud wrote:You can believe bullshit that China had more cases of Covid-19 than the USA, but that would be something not supported by any facts, and only American propaganda designed to downplay the damage of the virus in the USA.
Godstud wrote:It's also handy to scapegoat China, to distract from America's terrible handling of the virus, from the top, down.
Rugoz wrote:The president is touting and taking a drug which is useless in this disease and dangerous to some people.
colliric wrote:I'm not attacking you.... I'm deliberately misrepresenting and over simplifying your beliefs. Get it right. Lol.
And Hindsite is going really nuts this time. Getting to sound like Greta Thunberg the 70+ yo evangelical Zionist edition. You're making him worse. Lol.
Can't you both just agree to disagree?
A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.
Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.
All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.
US President Donald Trump was criticised this week after he said he had been taking hydroxychloroquine, despite warnings it might be unsafe.
But the new clinical trial has begun in Brighton and Oxford, proving that Trump's hydroxychloroquine claims are not entirely bogus.
ThirdTerm wrote:Donald Trump has said he is actually taking hydroxychloroquine to ward off coronavirus.
President Trump was believed to have been exposed to his military valet that tested positive for covid-19. Therefore he consulted the White House doctor and they both agreed for him to take Hydroxychloroquine and zinc for 14 days. As I understand it, he goes off of it tomorrow and has been doing fine. He is still testing negative for the covid-19. For me, I would rather take Hydroxychloroquine and zinc for 14 days, instead of being a new vaccine guinea pig.
Hindsite wrote:I have already agreed to disagree with Godstud once, but he continues his nonsense anyway and attacks my character as a Christian.When every second post has a "Praise the Lord", "Hallelyah", or a Bible quotation next to it, you are placing your religious character out there to be criticized.
Why take a drug tested to be safe and effective when you can take a drug that doesn't work and is a known killer.
Hindsite wrote:If Hydroxychloroquine was a know killer, you Trump haters should be happy that he is taking it.... or because you can really dislike someone without wishing they were dead.
Hindsite wrote:That is the kind of thing that the Pharisee did to Jesus for speaking the truth.You're about as far from Jesus as you can get. Jesus didn't call poor people lazy, or even imply that. You are only speaking the "truth" in so far as you believe. That doesn't mean that it's fact.
Godstud wrote:If you plaster your faith over every one of your posts, and make posts that are contrary to said religion, then I am going to criticize it.
Godstud wrote:You're about as far from Jesus as you can get. Jesus didn't call poor people lazy, or even imply that. You are only speaking the "truth" in so far as you believe. That doesn't mean that it's fact.
Godstud wrote:Anecdotal evidence is poor evidence. It has also been disputed by some clinical trials. Thank you for posting information from 45 days ago, though.
Hydroxychloroquine Fails to Help Coronavirus Patients in Largest Study of the Drug to Date
MAY 7, 2020 7:21 PM EDT
The study published Thursday is the largest to date to investigate the drug, which is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to treat malaria and certain autoimmune disorders, as a treatment for COVID-19. Dr. Neil Schluger, chief of the division of pulmonary, allergy and critical care medicine at Columbia, and his team studied more than 1,300 patients admitted to New York-Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia University Irving Medical Center for COVID-19. Some received hydroxychloroquine on an off-label basis, a practice that allows doctors to prescribe a drug that has been approved for one disease to treat another — in this case, COVID-19. About 60% of the patients received hydroxychloroquine for about five days. They did not show any lower rate of needing ventilators or a lower risk of dying during the study period compared to people not getting the drug.
“We don’t think at this point, given the totality of evidence, that it is reasonable to routinely give this drug to patients,” says Schluger. “We don’t see the rationale for doing that.”While the study did not randomly assign people to receive the drug or placebo and compare their outcomes, the large number of patients involved suggests the findings are solid.
https://time.com/5833945/hydroxychloroq ... rus-study/
The only thing your post proves is that many people can be fooled by anecdotal evidence, and not to rely on it.
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