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•Journal of Urology (Baltimore), vol 153, no 3 part I (March 1995: pp 778-779) states that the rate of accidents is from 1.5% to 15%.
Read the article "Newborn Penile Glans Amputation during Circumcision .." note that the doctor who operated had already performed the operation more than 300 times - so much for experience.

•Eva Brown, the mother of a now three year old boy, took Dr. Lynn Whittington to court for circumcising her son in 1992 without her consent. ...the hospital must pay the child $65,000 in compensatory damages for the circumcision.

•The programme, "It's a Boy," to be screened on Channel 4 this month, includes graphic footage of a circumcision in the Midlands that went disastrously wrong. The 8-day-old baby, circumcised without anaesthetic by a rabbi who is not a doctor, is seen bloodied and screaming in agony during the operation. When it was clear things were going wrong, the rabbi demanded the crew stop filming, but they secretly recorded what followed. The boy developed an infection and ended up in intensive care being pumped with antibiotics and kept alive by oxygen and drips.
The film -- the work of Victor Schoenfeld, the Jewish father of a circumcised son -- also presents details of 2 babies who died as a result of circ and contains an interview with the mother of a third who almost bled to death. It reveals cases of permanent genital disfigurement, claiming that, at a conservative estimate one in 50 circumcisions leads to serious complications. The impact of the film, which also shows Muslim circumcisions, will be intensified by Ch. 4's decision to show it without commercial breaks. The Observer, London, 3 Sept 1995

•LOSS OF PENIS DUE TO CIRCUMCISION TEL AVIV (AFP) - The parents of a two-year-old child who lost his penis due to an error during circumcision, have turned to the district court of Tel-Aviv, demanding US $800,000 in damages.

•...in late July a 5-year-old boy died after a routine circumcision. Jeremie Johnson went into a coma and died a week after his parents authorized the removal of life support. Jose Tovar, MD, an anesthesiologist at Doctors Airline Hosp. in Houston, where the circumcision was performed, has resigned in connection with the incident.

•During the course of the circumcision, Dr. Tam, a pediatrician, amputated approximately 30% of the distal glans penis and transected the glandular urethra. A less than successful attempt was made to reattach that which had been excised. The Plaintiff (an infant) has undergone 4 corrective surgeries and requires at least one further surgery at this time. Circ Info Network 950107

•Allen A. Ervin was born in July 1985 and had been on life support since December 1985, when his brain was damaged from oxygen deprivation during circumcision. The Anesthesiologists who attended to Allen during the circumcision settled the case for $435,000 and agreed to lifetime payment of his medical bills. He died at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center on Wednesday, three weeks before his 7th birthday. -- noharmm99

•My son, Jacob, was born normal and healthy at Providence Hospital in Anchorage Alaska in 1986, he was routinely circumcised on his second day of life. A few days later, we brought Jacob back to the hospital because an infection had developed at the circumcision site. A decision was made by his pediatrician to hospitalize him and administer antibotics. The next morning, he began to have seizures that went untreated. Twenty-six hours after entering the hospital, he stopped breathing during a massive seizure. As a result my son suffered profound brain damage. Today Jacob is almost ten years old, he requires 24 hour a day care as he will for the rest of his life. -- noharmm93

•NEW YORK -- A clinic has agreed to pay $1.2 million to an 8-year-old immigrant boy who was mutilated during a botched circumcision five years ago, his lawyer said. The clinic, a doctor and the rabbi who performed the operation were being sued for causing "permanent shortening and disfigurement of the penis." During the trial, experts testified that the mutilation would make sexual intercourse difficult when the boy reaches maturity, according to Wednesday's New York Post.

•At the age of 8 months, Bruce Weimer suffered horrific electrical burns when the doctor tried to perform a circumcision with an electric cauterizing scalpel. Only the base of the penis remained. It was decided that it would be best for Bruce to live life as a girl, and so his testicles were then surgically removed. Later in life he suffered from depression, caused in no small part by his unfortunate condition, and the trauma of having been raised as a girl, forced is his teens to take hormone replacement pills by his parents against his will. Later in life David committed suicide, shooting himself in the head with a shotgun.



"I knew that my penis was not as it ought to be, from the age of about 3. My reaction then was that I was born that way as a punishment for some wrong of mine which I could not recall nor comprehend. At age 9 I was told that my MGM was a mistake, that there had been nothing wrong with me that required its being done. The doctors had bullied my naive 19 year-old mother whilst my intact father was away at war to cut me and the various physical messes were a result of the MGM. She talked about having further surgery to correct the worst of them, and I can still re-live (and see with photographic clarity) the terror and my scream of "NO NO, Mummy, NO!" which probably reflected a deep memory of the original pain. Throughout childhood onwards I felt mutilated, ugly, and unlovely and unlovable.

When you add that to the ordinary doubts of puberty; when you add that to the loss of sexual function (every erection was uncomfortable because of lack of skin); when I saw every day the crooked, ragged scar, the skin bridge, tags, suture-holes, the scars of infections on the skin just below the corona, the large 'blister-scar,' the encysted remains of my frenulum and the resulting twisting and general deformation; when so much sensation had been lost that at age 20 I could not feel oral sex on my glans but had to look; when at age 40 so much sensation had been lost that sex is and always was just a mechanical thrusting which at best felt of nothing, and more usually was a dry, abrading grind of encrusted vaginal fluids on the base of the shaft; then it is little wonder that I am now impotent."

--from the NOHARMM mail list




OBJECTIVE: To describe the etiology and management of the group of abnormalities referred to as the inconspicuous penis. DESIGN: Analysis of 19 cases seen over a period of 2 years by chart review. SETTING: Children's hospital in a major metropolitan area. PATIENTS: Nineteen boys referred to two pediatric urologists over a period of 2 years with penises that appeared abnormally small, but on palpation and measurement, were found to have a normal shaft with a normal stretched length. Diagnoses included were buried penis, webbed penis, and trapped penis. Patients ages ranged from 1 week to 13 years. FINDINGS: There were eight patients (42%) with trapped penis, and all were complications of circumcision (at age 1 week to 7 months).

Abstract from: Pediatrics. 92(6):794-9, 1993 Dec. "The Inconspicuous Penis". Authors: Bergeson PS., Hopkin RJ., Bailey RB Jr., McGill LC., Piatt JP. Department of General Pediatrics and Urology, Phoenix Children's Hospital, AZ

http://www.stopcirc.com/kirks_story.html

http://www.savingsons.org/2011_03_01_archive.html


Stories like these are just one reason why circumcisions should not be routinely performed.
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Nearly half of all males in the USA have undergone the procedure of circumcision (cutting off of the foreskin) at birth. The procedure typically costs between 200 to 400 dollars.

The foreskin contains as much skin as a whole index card. It is not only a piece of skin, it is part of the sexual organ, and has the same touch sensations as any other part of the penis. Cutting it off is extremely painful, and obviously lots of blood comes out. Unlike hair or fingernails, it is a living tissue, which cannot regrow after it has been removed. Of course, people who have had their foreskin cut off at birth do not remember any of the pain (at least not in the conscious part of their memory).


Some common myths about the advantages of circumcision will be addressed:

Myth: "Circumcision reduces by approximately 3 to 7 fold the risk of getting HIV (AIDS), during sex with an infected person"
This was thought to be true from initial studies in Africa, but was later disproven. Statistically, circumcision does not offer significant protection against being infected with AIDS.

Myth: "If not circumcised soon after birth, up to 10% will later require one anyway for medical reasons"
The presence of the foreskin can lead to more complication in a small fraction of males, however, it is certainly not true that anywhere near a tenth of normal males will have to have their foreskins removed. This is unfortunately a phenomena in the USA, where physicians are all too enthusiastic about removing organs whenever there is a problem.
American doctors frequently remove tonsils, apendix, and dentists frequently remove molar teeth. Rates of gallbladder removal are also higher. In most other countries, even those with high standards of living and good medical care, these body parts are only rarely removed. In the wealthier eastern provinces in China (whose GDP is higher than Wales in the UK), operations to remove apendix are five times less frequent than the USA, and are usually successfully treated with herbal remedies.

Myth: "Most men are circumcised"
The circumcision rate in males for all ages is only 2% in Spain [Castellsague et al., 2005], indicating that less than 10% of males will ever require foreskin removal for medical reasons. And most of that 2% is from muslims that had a circumcision at birth for religious reasons. In Denmark the rate is only 1.6% for males 15 years of age [Frisch et al., 1995], and even this small figure is mostly from the many muslim Turkish immigrants here.

Argument: "If the boy is not circumcised at birth, he will probably have to be circumcised later in life"
It is more likely that a circumcised baby will later try "foreskin restoration" (stretching) or even surgery that attempts to restore, then that an uncircumcised child will later actually need to be circumcised . Simply because a normal penis gets a rash sometimes when it has not been washed absolutely does not mean the foreskin needs to be removed, but many doctors favor the procedure despite this. Also, overly tight foreskins in teenage boys usually loosen by themselves after several years, but again, if an American doctor is sought, surgery is usually recommended.

Myth: "Research shows that most women prefer the appearance of the circumcised penis. They also prefer it for sexual activity."
That women prefer it because it is a cultural norm in some societies, is not a good reason. Many muslim men in some societies prefer women that have meen completely genitally mutilated, with their hole sewed up. Imagine what would happen if muslim immigrants cut off their female children's labia minora (which is the female equivalent of the male foreskin). They would find themselves in great legal trouble.

Myth: "Hygiene is one reason of circumcision; increased contact of the penis with the vaginal wall, and stimulation, are others"
The inside of the foreskin is recommended to be washed after intercourse, so the hygiene reasoning is mostly a myth. Actually men who have not had their foreskins removed can more naturally go in and out because of the foreskin gliding. Fewer men with foreskins report using artificial lubrication. The foreskin also increases the effective width of the penis, meaning a slightly tighter and possibly more pleasurable fit for the female. Some females have commented that uncircumcised men are more pleasurable for them.

Myth: "In general, sexual function and sensation are the same or better in circumcised men."
Studies tend to find that sexual function is generally slightly lower or worse
for circumcised males, however the statistical difference was very minimal.

Myth: "The problem of overly tender sensitivity of the head of the penis experienced by most uncircumcised men is virtually eliminated"
Sensitivity potentially means more feeling during sex.
#15259088
This young man was told he need a circumcision to treat his overly tight foreskin. He had the procedure done, but then was very unhappy and regretted it.
He committed suicide 2 years after the surgery, leaving a note explaining why.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47292307


What this does demonstrate is not every person who has a circumcision later in life is happy with the results.


from the article:

"Lesley Roberts was stunned as she read the devastating final email from her beloved son Alex Hardy.
The email had been timed to arrive on 25 November 2017, 12 hours after he killed himself. Less than an hour before the email arrived, Lesley had opened her front door to find a police officer standing there, explaining her son was dead.
Alex was an intelligent and popular 23-year-old with no history of mental illness."
His home was in Cheshire but he was in Canada when the procedure was done.

"He immediately suggested circumcision," Alex wrote. "I asked about stretching and he completely lied to my face and said it would not work for me.

"I was mostly trusting as I felt he was the expert who knew best in this regard so with a pinch of salt I accepted it."

Lesley has since read online reviews of this urologist which have made her question his competence. One patient said she had been unable to work since having surgery for kidney problems, and he had "destroyed" her quality of life.
"I'm a mother of three young children who are scared every day I will die as they see me suffering in so much pain," she wrote.
"I can see how he misdiagnosed others, botched surgeries, and ruined lives," said another review. "He's dangerously incompetent."
Another review of the urologist read: "They left a surgical instrument in my bladder but I only got notified three months later. Run away before you get hurt!"

Alex booked what he believed was a minor procedure and had the surgery in 2015, at the age of 21.

In the email to his mother, Alex explained, in great detail, the physical problems he had suffered afterwards.

He described experiencing constant stimulation from the head of his penis, which was no longer protected by his foreskin.

"These ever-present stimulated sensations from clothing friction are torture within themselves; they have not subsided/normalised from years of exposure," he wrote. Alex also wrote about experiencing erectile dysfunction, and burning and itching sensations, particularly from a scar which sat where his frenulum was removed.

"Where I once had a sexual organ I have now been left with a numb, botched stick," he wrote. "My sexuality has been left in tatters."
Having lived with an intact penis for 21 years, Alex believed men circumcised as babies or young children would "tragically never be able to fully comprehend what has been taken away". He estimated he had been stripped of 75% of the sensitivity of his penis.

'My son killed himself after circumcision', 17 April 2019, Caroline Lowbridge, BBC News

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