[Puffer Fish]

This is what can happen in a socialized health care system.


A woman who had a severe cough says she was initially denied a medical appointment, due to her young age.
"They kept telling me I wasn't eligible for an urgent appointment because it was just a cough," Chloe Girardier, who is 23-year-old, said.
Eventually, Girardier said, she was given antibiotics, inhalers, and acid reflux tablets, but her symptoms didn't change.

It took her 5 months and 7 doctor visits later before she finally became fed up, and realizing something was wrong, insisted to the doctor that she at least have a chest X-ray.
The X-ray scan showed she had cancer, there was a 4.25-inch mass in her chest.

"I can't believe it wasn't looked into further and if I hadn't pushed for the chest X-ray, I may still not have a diagnosis," she said.
Other young women have spoken up about advocating for themselves in the healthcare system.


"A 23-year-old says doctors dismissed her worrisome cough for 5 months. It turned out to be cancer" - Insider, December 15, 2021


It seems doctors just weren't really motivated to give her a thorough examination or really look hard for what might be wrong with her. If she hadn't taken the reigns and demanded that X-ray, the cancer might have continued to spread and reached a fatal stage where it was too late. Tests like X-rays cost money, and doctors in the national healthcare systems can be reluctant to want to have to spend the money, since the system is trying to get them to reduce costs and ration care.

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This is what can happen in a socialized health care system.


A woman who had a severe cough says she was initially denied a medical appointment, due to her young age.
"They kept telling me I wasn't eligible for an urgent appointment because it was just a cough," Chloe Girardier, who is 23-year-old, said.
Eventually, Girardier said, she was given antibiotics, inhalers, and acid reflux tablets, but her symptoms didn't change.

It took her 5 months and 7 doctor visits later before she finally became fed up, and realizing something was wrong, insisted to the doctor that she at least have a chest X-ray.
The X-ray scan showed she had cancer, there was a 4.25-inch mass in her chest.

"I can't believe it wasn't looked into further and if I hadn't pushed for the chest X-ray, I may still not have a diagnosis," she said.
Other young women have spoken up about advocating for themselves in the healthcare system.


"A 23-year-old says doctors dismissed her worrisome cough for 5 months. It turned out to be cancer" - Insider, December 15, 2021


It seems doctors just weren't really motivated to give her a thorough examination or really look hard for what might be wrong with her. If she hadn't taken the reigns and demanded that X-ray, the cancer might have continued to spread and reached a fatal stage where it was too late. Tests like X-rays cost money, and doctors in the national healthcare systems can be reluctant to want to have to spend the money, since the system is trying to get them to reduce costs and ration care.

Only because the Tories are trying to kill the NHS, This is what happens when people vote conservative and this austerity bull crap,


Socialized healthcare works fine. It's cheaper and gets better results.

Under capitalism healthcare doctors often don;t treat poor people and over treat others, US's opioid problems from drug companies bribing doctors to subscribe opiods to people that donlt need them,

The death toll for capitalist medicine is vast.

[Godstud]

@Puffer Fish What a load of bullshit. I can find far more instances like this in the American shit-show of a healthcare system.

Only fucking morons think that universal healthcare is to blame, when accidents and mistakes happen all the time.

Hospitals
1 in 3 misdiagnoses results in serious injury or death: study
An estimated 40,000 to 80,000 deaths occur each year in U.S. hospitals related to misdiagnosis, and an estimated 12 million Americans suffer a diagnostic error each year in a primary care setting—33% of which result in serious or permanent damage or death.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospit ... or%20death.

It seems doctors just weren't really motivated to give her a thorough examination or really look hard for what might be wrong with her. If she hadn't taken the reigns and demanded that X-ray, the cancer might have continued to spread and reached a fatal stage where it was too late. Tests like X-rays cost money, and doctors in the national healthcare systems can be reluctant to want to have to spend the money, since the system is trying to get them to reduce costs and ration care.

None of this is true. You're making up lies to fit a narrative you made. This was a case of misdiagnosis, and nothing more.

Your idiotic anti-socialism narrative is just dumb. Your delusions about universal healthcare have no basis in reality.

[XogGyux]

And you think this would have been much different anywhere else? Cough is a very common, non-specific symptom. Most of the time it is due to benign issues (post-nasal drip, acid reflux, post-viral cough, etc). Young healthy person with single complaint of cough would likely be managed conservatively by most doctors anywhere in the world. Nobody is jumping the gun and thinking "Lung cancer" on a 23-year-old. This is a hit-by-lightning twice diagnosis on a 23-year-old. This is NOT evidence of the system not working. What is more, there is a good chance this 23 year old would not have health insurance or if she had, would have avoided visit due to co-pays and deductibles and would have gone undiagnosed until very advanced disease.

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@Puffer Fish[/usermention] What a load of bullshit. I can find far more instances like this in the American shit-show of a healthcare system.

Millions, as a matter of fact.

[Puffer Fish]

@Puffer Fish I can find far more instances like this in the American shit-show of a healthcare system.

Only poor people trying to use the Emergency room in hospitals to get free healthcare. Yes, it does happen, sometimes a hospital attendant does turn people like this away because they know they are never going to pay, and the hospital worker is trying to avoid costing the hospital money , and besides they have to make room for the more serious and paying patients because these Emergency room waiting rooms can have long queues.

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@Puffer Fish

If you want to compare countries with public healthcare to countries with private healthcare for cases such as the one in the OP, you want to look at “mortality amenable to health care”.

This is a stat that looks at how many people died from preventable causes.

So if your argument is correct that public healthcare has more of this mortality, it would show in those stats.

From the last time I looked at them, the US and other countries with private health care are often worse.

[Puffer Fish]

The case of a 27-year-old woman, who died a day after being diagnosed with cervical cancer and after claiming she wasn't listened to by doctors, has been described as "shocking and traumatic" by a coroner.

Porsche McGregor-Sims, an events manager from the U.K. city of Portsmouth, died at Queen Alexandra Hospital on April 14, 2020, a day after being diagnosed with stage 4 cervical cancer, Hampshire Live reported. Prior to her diagnosis she had suffered from abdominal pain and bleeding for 15 months.

https://www.newsweek.com/woman-dies-can ... uk-1692851

[Puffer Fish]

I've been warning people for a long time that this was going to happen. The NHS has been overburdened and stretched beyond capacity.
You can't keep adding more people without increasing funding proportionally. Either that or quality goes down, as we're seeing.
Hiring foreign medical workers to cut down on labor costs was only a stopgap measure. Last I read, the majority of doctors working in the NHS aren't even ethnically British. The NHS doesn't have the money to stop bringing in foreign doctors.

Look at the NHS like a lifeboat. If you keep adding more people to the boat eventually that boat is going to start sitting lower in the water, until it starts taking on water from the sides. If you don't either stop taking on more people or make the boat bigger, eventually the whole boat's going to go down.

If the population of the U.K. has gone up 12.8% over the last two decades, that means you're going to have to increase the funding for the NHS by 12.8%, in addition on top of that adjusted for inflation and increases in the cost of living. (inflation alone would have made the cost go up 80%)

[Godstud]

If you want to compare privatized systems to universal healthcare systems, you'll find that mistakes happen in BOTH. It has nothing to do with the system, but with humans being fallible.