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By Rancid
#15209912
late wrote:That's not middle ground.


It is temporal middle ground. Meaning, all good with the lockdowns for year 1. Beyond that, it's time to get on with life. You've just fallen for the COVID industrial complex fear porn.

late wrote:Getting control of this means mandates and testing.


There's no getting control of this, what a ridiculous thought to maintain at this point. Take your vaccine and get on with it. All good.

noemon wrote:We do a lot of testing here as a matter of habit now.

We have to test the kids every time they cough or feel unwell. We then have to test ourselves also in the idea that positive tests count for natural immunity certificates.


That's exactly what all of the testing companies want. At my kid's school, they do weekly "pool testing". When there is a positive, then they test some more to figure out who specifically is positive. Then they send that kid (and kids from his/her group) home. Most of the time, the kid has 0 symptoms. Thankfully, we can opt out of that. Which we did, so my kids don't get tested, but about 70% of the kids do. It's time to stop shoveling public money into these testing companies. In the US, we should shovel that money to teachers.

If you don't feel sick, you're not sick in my book. :lol: I say let the asymptomatic kids stay in class.
#15209914
There many different groups with interests in pushing the COVID hysteria indefinitely. We have:

- Pharmaceutical Companies that have been making tons of cash off the government paying for the vaccines. Don't get me wrong, we need this vaccine, but these companies see the government cash cow on COVID. Continuing the hysteria benefits them.
- COVID testing companies and labs. Most of these were created overnight by opportunistic capitalists looks to cash in on COVID. Most of these people have no experience in the medical industry. In other words, their top priority is profit, not public health.
- Government. Governments are deathly scared of being told they didn't do enough. Hence they will push and push and push for lockdowns and mandates.
- Media. Lots of click bait around new variants, anti-vax ridiculing (rightly so). Basically, they are selling fear because it gets clicks. This is the left wing media equivalent of "The communists are going to get you" shit you see from fox news and the like.
- Social media. Both left and right wing fear mongers. They need their clicks and views.

All of these are interested in pushing the COVID industrial complex further and further. It's time to let COVID rip.

Get vaccinated and FREE THE OMICRON!

I also propose we stop free testing. Make people pay $5 for each test. That will stop a lot of this hysterical testing that's being done.
#15209926
US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

Walter Reed’s Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine, or SpFN, completed animal trials earlier this year with positive results. Phase 1 of human trials, wrapped up this month, again with positive results that are undergoing final review, Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad, director of Walter Reed’s infectious diseases branch, said in an exclusive interview with Defense One on Tuesday. The new vaccine will still need to undergo phase 2 and phase 3 trials.

"We're testing our vaccine against all the different variants, including Omicron," Modjarrad said.


I ask You: if you can't trust the US Army, who can you trust? Anyway, this SpFN appears to be a distinct new technology, and bears watching.
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By Rancid
#15209929
quetzalcoatl wrote:if you can't trust the US Army, who can you trust?

Is that a serious question? :lol: :eek:
By late
#15210007
Rancid wrote:

It is temporal middle ground. Meaning, all good with the lockdowns for year 1. Beyond that, it's time to get on with life. You've just fallen for the COVID industrial complex fear porn.




And you got your degree in epidemiology where?

Don't you have an internal BS meter that says, 'Oh, that's propaganda' When you type something like " COVID industrial complex fear porn"??
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late wrote:And you got your degree in epidemiology where?


It's not about my understanding of epidemiology. It's about balancing epidemiology with the rest of reality. Time to get on with life.

Epidemiologists and Doctors will always say "Lock it down! Vaccinate 100% of everyone!" They have to, it's their profession to prioritize public health. In fact, I want them to do that. However, that doesn't mean we let them call all the shots all the time either as there are other factors to consider (economic, personal liberty, limiting hysteria, limiting public exhaustion, limiting the public's growing mistrust, limiting corporate interests fueling the hysteria, etc.). This is about priority calls, and optimizing a single parameter is not a good design decision ever. I was fine with giving their opinion the highest weight pre-vaccine. However, now? It's time to shift priority away from that. FREE THE OMICRON!

The deaths and severity simply don't justify this shit anymore. LET ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET VACCINATE DIE! That's fine! Let's move on.

Oh man, democrats are going to lose so bad if you represent the typical democrat (I think you do).. Thanks for screwing America by giving Republicans the crack to destroy the government.


EDIT:
Good on Denmark for removing ALL restrictions.

late wrote:Don't you have an internal BS meter that says, 'Oh, that's propaganda' When you type something like " COVID industrial complex fear porn"??


The numbers on vaccine efficacy look fucking fantastic. The numbers on omicron death and hospitalization look pretty good. My BS meter say's you are hysteriacal and not being rational. The number say "it's time to move on".

Let her rip. Let those that want to die (by not taking a vaccine), die. Let's raise insurance rates on the unvaccinated too! It's time to stop shoveling money in free testing. Let's give that money to teacher pay! Let's give the money to Nurse's pay! Let's stop feeding the corporate fat cats. This is how the cat got fat!
By Rich
#15210038
On this issue as so many others at the beginning of this I asked "The Liberals" the question "Do you want a serious conversation over how we approach Covid or do you want a Culture War?" And as usual I got the same resounding answer back. "We want a culture war and we want it now!" Of course they wanted a culture war where we don't fight back. So my answer to the "The Libs" is if you want a Culture War I'll give it to you.

If they'd been serious one of the obvious things to do would have been to advise,or maybe even order all health workers, care workers, supermarket workers who were in the more vulnerable categories to go home. These workers could not avoid substantial contact with others. They were mostly likely to get seriously ill themselves and overload the health care system. Young health people who wanted to volunteer should have been drafted in as replacements rather than sent home to play video games. People who had caught the virus and recovered or who had anti bodies should have been our most valuable asset, the safest people to interact with most vulnerable.

Also the "Liberals" in the hospitals should never have been allowed to dump all the old people into care homes, knowing full well that many of them were infected. it was obvious that hospitals are the biggest spread points at the start of a pandemic. The disrespect for care workers just beggars belief. And then we were expected to clap for the NHS knowing what they had done.
By wat0n
#15210039
Rancid wrote:The numbers on vaccine efficacy look fucking fantastic. The numbers on omicron death and hospitalization look pretty good. My BS meter say's you are hysteriacal and not being rational. The number say "it's time to move on".

Let her rip. Let those that want to die (by not taking a vaccine), die. Let's raise insurance rates on the unvaccinated too! It's time to stop shoveling money in free testing. Let's give that money to teacher pay! Let's give the money to Nurse's pay! Let's stop feeding the corporate fat cats. This is how the cat got fat!


One caveat: The numbers don't look that great compared to other countries that have somewhat higher vaccination rates than the US. The thing is, this is driven by those not fully vaccinated (2 doses) and those missing the booster - they are choosing to take the risk and dealing with the consequences.

I think the CDC will have to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" to include those missing the booster shots soon.
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Rancid wrote:It's not about my understanding of epidemiology. It's about balancing epidemiology with the rest of reality. Time to get on with life.

Epidemiologists and Doctors will always say "Lock it down! Vaccinate 100% of everyone!" They have to, it's their profession to prioritize public health. In fact, I want them to do that. However, that doesn't mean we let them call all the shots all the time either as there are other factors to consider (economic, personal liberty, limiting hysteria, limiting public exhaustion, limiting the public's growing mistrust, limiting corporate interests fueling the hysteria, etc.). This is about priority calls, and optimizing a single parameter is not a good design decision ever. I was fine with giving their opinion the highest weight pre-vaccine. However, now? It's time to shift priority away from that. FREE THE OMICRON!

The deaths and severity simply don't justify this shit anymore. LET ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET VACCINATE DIE! That's fine! Let's move on.

Oh man, democrats are going to lose so bad if you represent the typical democrat (I think you do).. Thanks for screwing America by giving Republicans the crack to destroy the government.


EDIT:
Good on Denmark for removing ALL restrictions.



The numbers on vaccine efficacy look fucking fantastic. The numbers on omicron death and hospitalization look pretty good. My BS meter say's you are hysteriacal and not being rational. The number say "it's time to move on".

Let her rip. Let those that want to die (by not taking a vaccine), die. Let's raise insurance rates on the unvaccinated too! It's time to stop shoveling money in free testing.

Agree. We have vaccines and therapeutics. And we are more familiar with the disease. It is time.

Thanks for screwing America by giving Republicans the crack to destroy the government.

Agreed. You know what would be funny, if democrats flip the switch on them now. Because you know that they will go agaist no matter how nonsensical :lol: . We ned to go reverse psychology on their asses.
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By Rancid
#15210043
wat0n wrote:One caveat: The numbers don't look that great compared to other countries that have somewhat higher vaccination rates than the US. The thing is, this is driven by those not fully vaccinated (2 doses) and those missing the booster - they are choosing to take the risk and dealing with the consequences.

I think the CDC will have to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" to include those missing the booster shots soon.



I do wonder if the government had not pushed so hard for mandates and lock downs. Would vaccination rates be higher? Often, the harder you push, the harder the resistance.

Honey instead of vinegar...
By wat0n
#15210044
Rancid wrote:I do wonder if the government had not pushed so hard for mandates and lock downs. Would vaccination rates be higher? Often, the harder you push, the harder the resistance.

Honey instead of vinegar...


I don't know, but I don't think there was much of a choice in 2020 and even part of 2021.
#15210046
wat0n wrote:I don't know, but I don't think there was much of a choice in 2020 and even part of 2021.


Agree. Pre-vaccine, sure. Post vaccine, just makes people more exhausted and distrustful.
By late
#15210047
Rancid wrote:



Oh man, democrats are going to lose so bad if you represent the typical democrat (I think you do)..


My BS meter says you are hysterical and not being rational.





Thanks for the laugh. I don't mind talking about my past, but not here, and not without a beer in my hand. There's a lot I am willing to say, but this thread isn't the thread to do it in.

That looks a lot like projection to me..
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By Rancid
#15210048
late wrote:
Thanks for the laugh. I don't mind talking about my past, but not here, and not without a beer in my hand. There's a lot I am willing to say, but this thread isn't the thread to do it in.

That looks a lot like projection to me..


What are you blabbering about?
By late
#15210049
Rancid wrote:
What are you blabbering about?



I'd say that proves my point, so thanks again. You seem upset...

You said I was a typical Dem, which was really quite amusing. I've actually done political stuff, it's not hard to tell which political tribe a Dem comes from.
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By Rancid
#15210050
late wrote:
I'd say that proves my point, so thanks again. You seem upset...

You said I was a typical Dem, which was really quite amusing.


Sure, whatever.

Anyway, it's time to get on with life.
By late
#15210051
Rancid wrote:
Sure, whatever.

Anyway, it's time to get on with life.



Politics is not an ideological test for spectators...

For example, you don't want Republicans to win. What are you actually doing to fight that? And when you tell me nothing, why is that your answer?

I used to feel roughly the same as you. But then I started doing stuff. Looks different from the trenches.
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By Rancid
#15210052
late wrote:
Politics is not an ideological test for spectators...

For example, you don't want Republicans to win. What are you actually doing to fight that? And when you tell me nothing, why is that your answer?

I used to feel roughly the same as you. But then I started doing stuff. Looks different from the trenches.


What is this trash?

Anyway, I don't mind Republicans winning. I just don't want a MAGA moron Republican winning.

Democrats are a bunch of fucking morons too.
By late
#15210054
Rancid wrote:
What is this trash?

Anyway, I don't mind Republicans winning. I just don't want a MAGA moron Republican winning.

Democrats are a bunch of fucking morons too.



Things can change, but at the moment only a MAGA kook can get the nomination...

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