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Saeko wrote:I think most people are placing too much of the responsibility for this genocide on Israel and far too little on the real culprit, the US. Israelis are welcome to protest their government all they want, but the genocide will not stop no matter who is in power in Israel unless there is a radical change in US foreign policy.

This is happening because of the racist nature of the Jewish religion and culture. The Jews in Israel have run an apartheid state for 57 years. The Christian Afrikaans felt obliged to abandon their apartheid state decades ago. You should listen to some of those settler religious Jews, they're not in the slightest bit ashamed of their racism. The Jews have been practicing apartheid for thousands of years. They chose to segregate into ghettos considering the Goy unclean. The inherent racism of the Jewish religion bleeds in to the secular culture in the same way that the extreme misogyny of Islam bleeds into secular Muslim culture.

Israel is not an agent of American imperialism. America is an agent of Jewish imperialism.
#15310318
wat0n wrote:^ there's nothing wrong with toppling Hamas from power in Gaza.


That you think this is a possibility is very silly. Even Israeli politicians have admitted this won't happen.

Besides, Hamas are looking to form a unity government with all of the other factions.

@skinster Yeah, there are tens of thousands of Israeli civilians displaced... But they are in Israel itself.


They're not occupying Lebanon anymore. :excited:

And sooner or later, they'll return.


I doubt it.
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Saeko wrote:I think most people are placing too much of the responsibility for this genocide on Israel and far too little on the real culprit, the US. Israelis are welcome to protest their government all they want, but the genocide will not stop no matter who is in power in Israel unless there is a radical change in US foreign policy.


The US provides weapons, sure, but Israel could afford to buy them.

As far as I can tell, nobody of importance is actually sanctioning Israel. Not the EU, Russia or China. It's all just rhetoric.
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skinster wrote:That you think this is a possibility is very silly. Even Israeli politicians have admitted this won't happen.


What, ending Hamas' government in Gaza? I'd say it's definitely possible. What's unlikely is to literally kill each and every Hamas member, but making it impossible for it to govern is very possible.

skinster wrote:Besides, Hamas are looking to form a unity government with all of the other factions.


We've heard this before, and I see no reason why it would change now.

skinster wrote:They're not occupying Lebanon anymore. :excited:


They were not in Lebanon either. In fact no Israeli has occupied Lebanon since 2000.

skinster wrote:I doubt it.


I doubt Israel and Hezbollah will trade shelling forever. Neither wants that in the long run.
#15310401
Saeko wrote:I think most people are placing too much of the responsibility for this genocide on Israel and far too little on the real culprit, the US. Israelis are welcome to protest their government all they want, but the genocide will not stop no matter who is in power in Israel unless there is a radical change in US foreign policy.


There is a dialectical relationship between United States imperialism , and Israeli settler colonialism . They each reinforce one another . Israel is a client state of the U.S. , and such special interest groups as AIPAC continues to hold sway over the U.S. government . Therefore they are part and partial to each other . As to what @skinster mentioned , pertaining to Israelis acquiring dual citizenship , this was actually advocated for by the Hadash politician , Avraham Burg . https://www.haaretz.com/2007-06-07/ty-article/burg-defining-israel-as-a-jewish-state-is-the-key-to-its-end/0000017f-f559-ddde-abff-fd7d798f0000
#15310408
Settlers are going nuts in the Knesset today. I guess it's finally dawned on them that their government doesn't give a shit about them.


wat0n wrote:What, ending Hamas' government in Gaza? I'd say it's definitely possible. What's unlikely is to literally kill each and every Hamas member, but making it impossible for it to govern is very possible.


Israel has been trying to make it impossible for Hamas to govern Gaza for over a decade now. It's not happening. And it's especially not happening when Hamas' popularity has never been greater.

Besides, Hamas are seeking a unity government with the other factions anyway, including Fatah. That is likely the near-future leadership of the Palestinians; different factions holding power together, just as their armed wings are doing on the ground today.

We've heard this before, and I see no reason why it would change now.


Because as I mentioned above, it's already happening.

They were not in Lebanon either. In fact no Israeli has occupied Lebanon since 2000.


Sheeba Farms is Lebanese territory.

I doubt Israel and Hezbollah will trade shelling forever. Neither wants that in the long run.


The difference is the natives of the land are willing to die for it whereas the settlers are not, they're busy holed up in hotels for a time period that is yet to be known, probably forever. :excited:

Hezbollah are not returning their land. Israelis can get the fuck out of Lebanon just as they can gtfo out of Syria's Golan Heights and of course, Palestine.
#15310411
skinster wrote:Israel has been trying to make it impossible for Hamas to govern Gaza for over a decade now. It's not happening. And it's especially not happening when Hamas' popularity has never been greater.


Israel had not tried to remove Hamas from power by force, until this war that is.

skinster wrote:Besides, Hamas are seeking a unity government with the other factions anyway, including Fatah. That is likely the near-future leadership of the Palestinians; different factions holding power together, just as their armed wings are doing on the ground today.


Fatah is already distancing itself from Hamas.

skinster wrote:Sheeba Farms is Lebanese territory.


Not according to the UN

skinster wrote:The difference is the natives of the land are willing to die for it whereas the settlers are not, they're busy holed up in hotels for a time period that is yet to be known, probably forever. :excited:

Hezbollah are not returning their land. Israelis can get the fuck out of Lebanon just as they can gtfo out of Syria's Golan Heights and of course, Palestine.


Israel doesn't have any interest in holding Lebanese territory forever.

The Lebanese civilians in the southern border with Israel were also evacuated.
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wat0n wrote:Israel had not tried to remove Hamas from power by force, until this war that is.


And they're not going to succeed.

Fatah is already distancing itself from Hamas.


Parts of Fatah have and other parts of Fatah are considering a unity government with Hamas and PIJ, PFLP, DFLP etc.





Not according to the UN


The United Nations considers the Sheeba Farms to belong to Syria and the Syrians say they're Lebanese. :D

Israel doesn't have any interest in holding Lebanese territory forever.


Not out of choice. They've been forced to depart by Hezbollah.
#15310427
skinster wrote:And they're not going to succeed.


Let's wait and see. It will depend mostly on the US.

skinster wrote:Parts of Fatah have and other parts of Fatah are considering a unity government with Hamas and PIJ, PFLP, DFLP etc.





I still remember when we heard about these attempts all these years, what makes you believe this one will work when Hamas is already severely weakened? Even worse after this.

skinster wrote:The United Nations considers the Sheeba Farms to belong to Syria and the Syrians say they're Lebanese. :D


Yet when the Lebanese say "OK, then hand them to us" the Syrians say "oh no, they're actually ours".

skinster wrote:Not out of choice. They've been forced to depart by Hezbollah.


...Because the Israelis don't want that land.
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wat0n wrote:Let's wait and see. It will depend mostly on the US.


Only insofar as everything depends on the U.S. because Israel is its aircraft carrier in the region, but the Palestinian resistance give as much of a fuck what the Americans think about their governance as they do the Israelis, which is about...zilch.

I still remember when we heard about these attempts all these years, what makes you believe this one will work when Hamas is already severely weakened? Even worse after this.


No we didn't hear about a unity government between all Palestinian factions until this war and it only followed last year's Lions Den movement which brought all the factions together, for the first time.

Yet when the Lebanese say "OK, then hand them to us" the Syrians say "oh no, they're actually ours".


Syrians consider Sheeba Farms Lebanese territory and the Syrian Arab Army and Hezbollah are allies, as are Assad's government and Nasrallah.

...Because the Israelis don't want that land.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
#15310434
skinster wrote:Only insofar as everything depends on the U.S. because Israel is its aircraft carrier in the region, but the Palestinian resistance give as much of a fuck what the Americans think about their governance as they do the Israelis, which is about...zilch.


Actually if the US decides to save Hamas, Hamas will be spared. If not, sooner or later Israel will go after Rafah and Hamas' regime will be over.

skinster wrote:No we didn't hear about a unity government between all Palestinian factions until this war and it only followed last year's Lions Den movement which brought all the factions together, for the first time.


You give too much stock to some armed group with 100 members or so that was founded in 2022.

Remembering the timeline never hurts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2% ... n_timeline

skinster wrote:Syrians consider Sheeba Farms Lebanese territory and the Syrian Arab Army and Hezbollah are allies, as are Assad's government and Nasrallah.


Just because they are allies it doesn't mean Syria wants to give them territory. Even more so since Syria was traditionally the senior member in this alliance.
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wat0n wrote:Actually if the US decides to save Hamas, Hamas will be spared. If not, sooner or later Israel will go after Rafah and Hamas' regime will be over.


Hamas doesn't need saving, and if it does, it has the Axis of Resistance at hand, who by the way is doing a spectacular job training for the long war to get the Zionists out from where they do not belong. :excited:

You give too much stock to some armed group with 100 members or so that was founded in 2022.


:eh:
Somebody does not know thy enemy..

The Lions' Den is the name of all the Palestinian factions as one.

Just because they are allies it doesn't mean Syria wants to give them territory. Even more so since Syria was traditionally the senior member in this alliance.


:lol:

Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon are allies and Syria considered Lebanon's Sheeba Farms as Lebanese territory. The cope with you today... :lol:
#15310445
skinster wrote:Hamas doesn't need saving, and if it does, it has the Axis of Resistance at hand, who by the way is doing a spectacular job training for the long war to get the Zionists out from where they do not belong. :excited:


So long in fact that Syria is in ruins... And Israel had little to do with it :lol:

skinster wrote: :eh:
Somebody does not know thy enemy..

The Lions' Den is the name of all the Palestinian factions as one.


No, it's not.

skinster wrote: :lol:

Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon are allies and Syria considered Lebanon's Sheeba Farms as Lebanese territory. The cope with you today... :lol:


Only when the Israel is involved, at other times Assad says they're Syrian.
#15310447
Shin Bet threatens Israeli protesters after violent clashes
Protests in Israel have become increasingly chaotic as Netanyahu is being accused of sabotaging prisoner release talks

The head of Israel’s Shin Bet security agency, Ronen Bar, warned on 3 April that violent demonstrations could lead to “dangerous places,” coming as chaos continues to unfold in protests condemning the government and demanding the release of Israeli prisoners in Gaza.

“The violent discourse online and some of the scenes we saw [last night] in Jerusalem go beyond acceptable protest, harm the ability to maintain public order, could lead to violent clashes with law enforcement, disrupt their ability to carry out their work and even cause harm to individuals under protection,” Bar said in a stern warning.

The Shin Bet chief added that “there is a clear line between legitimate protest and violent and illegal protest. This is a worrying trend that could lead to dangerous places which we must not come to.”

Dozens of Israelis, including the family members of prisoners being held by the Palestinian resistance in Gaza, swarmed the Knesset in Jerusalem on Wednesday.

Protests in Jerusalem also took a chaotic turn on the evening of 2 April, as Israeli police described what they saw as an “unbridled riot.”

Police officers were treated for injuries sustained as a result of clashes with the protesters. The police clamped down aggressively on many of the demonstrators, as evident from video footage circulating on social media.



Tuesday evening marked the third consecutive day that scores of protesters descended on the residence of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem after beginning their demonstration at the Knesset.

Throughout the demonstrations, protesters attempted to break through barricades to enter Netanyahu’s private residence.

Israeli protests have increased recently. On Saturday, protests across several cities were described as the largest since 7 October.

The surge comes as frustration with the government is at an all-time high, with many, including the prisoners' families, accusing Netanyahu of deliberately sabotaging efforts to reach a prisoner exchange deal with Hamas.

A senior intelligence source on the team of Israeli negotiator Nitzan Alon was cited by Haaretz as saying, "There are increasing signs that [Netanyahu is] doing almost everything possible to postpone, delay and ruin the chance of a deal to release the hostages.”

Bar’s warning on Wednesday was not the first time the Shin Bet has warned protesters to exercise caution.

Representatives of the anti-government protesters held a meeting in February with members of the Shin Bet. The meeting aimed to “prevent the crossing of Red Lines,” as the Shin Bet warned at the time that protesters trying to break through the perimeter of Netanyahu’s private home could be shot, according to Haaretz.
https://thecradle.co/articles/shin-bet- ... nt-clashes



wat0n wrote:So long in fact that Syria is in ruins... And Israel had little to do with it :lol:


As I said, Hamas doesn't need saving and if it does, the Axis of Resistance is at hand.

And yes, Syria is in ruins because armies from many countries attacked it spending billions and ultimately failing because Syria didn't fall. Syria will rebuild. And Israel did have much to do with it, Israel has been bombing it at least on a weekly basis, including last week when it attacked the Iranian consulate there. Now the settlers in Israel are bracing themselves for retaliation...

No, it's not.


"It comprises members of other Palestinian militant organizations," according to Wikipedia, who you keep using as a source even though we know what Zionists do there.


I think I'll stick to the resistance factions own news channels for news about them, rather than Wikipedia and Zionists' versions of events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_Farms#Israeli_claims]Only when the Israel is involved, at other times Assad says they're Syrian


:lol: :lol: :lol:
#15310457
skinster wrote:As I said, Hamas doesn't need saving and if it does, the Axis of Resistance is at hand.


It definitely does, given it's holed up in Rafah.

skinster wrote:And yes, Syria is in ruins because armies from many countries attacked it spending billions and ultimately failing because Syria didn't fall. Syria will rebuild. And Israel did have much to do with it, Israel has been bombing it at least on a weekly basis, including last week when it attacked the Iranian consulate there. Now the settlers in Israel are bracing themselves for retaliation...


Syria is in ruins because, in a Middle East that was becoming ever more religious, sooner or later Sunnis would not tolerate a minority Alawite government.

skinster wrote:"It comprises members of other Palestinian militant organizations," according to Wikipedia, who you keep using as a source even though we know what Zionists do there.


I think I'll stick to the resistance factions own news channels for news about them, rather than Wikipedia and Zionists' versions of events.


It does not include Fatah.

It is also separate from Hamas and the other groups.

skinster wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It is true, though. Just note the change in position from 2000 to 2011.

And it actually makes sense, since Syria was forced out of Lebanon in 2005.
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wat0n wrote:It definitely does, given it's holed up in Rafah.


Hamas is not holed up in Rafah. Hamas and other resistance factions, in between kicking terrorist Zionists out of their land either with sniping, RPGs or sending rockets into Israel, is chilling down in their tunnels. I imagine the "they're holed in Rafah" lie is being pushed by Zionists now to justify their ongoing genocide in Rafah, after forcing Gazans to move there..

Syria is in ruins because, in a Middle East that was becoming ever more religious, sooner or later Sunnis would not tolerate a minority Alawite government.


Is every new post of yours meant to be a bigger lie than the one before? Because that's definitely happening here.

Syria is in ruins because of the imperialist war on it from many countries, and in particular: the U.S. empire and all of its vassal states, Saudi Arabia and all the gulf states, Turkey, Jordan, etc. Thankfully Russia and Iran defended it from ruin and Assad ended up staying around.

As for the Zionist nonsense about Muslim sectarianism, Sunnis make up the vast majority of the population in Syria and Assad won with their vote too. The U.S. pushed the Sunni-Shia bullshit in Iraq and it worked, but it's not happening again and Axis of Resistance leaders, including those who are Sunni, have written repeatedly against sectarianism. Zionist attempts to push it again will fail just like Zionism is currently, in general.

It does not include Fatah.

It is also separate from Hamas and the other groups.


If that's what you want to believe, that's fine with me, you can add it to all of that other shit you believe. :D

It is true, though. Just note the change in position from 2000 to 2011.

And it actually makes sense, since Syria was forced out of Lebanon in 2005.


The delusions are strong with the Zionists. But that's good, better they are not grounded in reality than if they were, as it'll make their exit occur sooner...

It is true, though.


No it isn't. The Sheeba Farms are Lebanese territory even though the U.N. considers it Syrian territory because the Syrians also say it's Lebanese territory.

And ultimately, the point is, it's not occupied Zionist territory. But it was before October 7th. Hezbollah have promised that isn't happening again and the hundreds of thousands of settlers who were occupying it better may as well look for somewhere else to live..
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skinster wrote:Hamas is not holed up in Rafah. Hamas and other resistance factions, in between kicking terrorist Zionists out of their land either with sniping, RPGs or sending rockets into Israel, is chilling down in their tunnels. I imagine the "they're holed in Rafah" lie is being pushed by Zionists now to justify their ongoing genocide in Rafah, after forcing Gazans to move there..


Yes, they also still have tunnel under civilian homes, a war crime. That doesn't mean Hamas has been able to drive the IDF out.

skinster wrote:Is every new post of yours meant to be a bigger lie than the one before? Because that's definitely happening here.

Syria is in ruins because of the imperialist war on it from many countries, and in particular: the U.S. empire and all of its vassal states, Saudi Arabia and all the gulf states, Turkey, Jordan, etc. Thankfully Russia and Iran defended it from ruin and Assad ended up staying around.

As for the Zionist nonsense about Muslim sectarianism, Sunnis make up the vast majority of the population in Syria and Assad won with their vote too. The U.S. pushed the Sunni-Shia bullshit in Iraq and it worked, but it's not happening again and Axis of Resistance leaders, including those who are Sunni, have written repeatedly against sectarianism. Zionist attempts to push it again will fail just like Zionism is currently, in general.


This sounds like a typical conspiracy theory, and a pathetic one at that. The Sunni-Shia conflict long predates the Syrian civil war.

skinster wrote:If that's what you want to believe, that's fine with me, you can add it to all of that other shit you believe. :D


It's the truth.

Even worse, you are still ignoring the history of failed unity attempts - that are now unnecessary given the current state of Hamas. And of course, we have this statement by Abbas which does not make your case at all.

skinster wrote:The delusions are strong with the Zionists. But that's good, better they are not grounded in reality than if they were, as it'll make their exit occur sooner...


Are you waiting for the Mahdi? I mean, this just follows from reading the statements by Assad himself.

skinster wrote:No it isn't. The Sheeba Farms are Lebanese territory even though the U.N. considers it Syrian territory because the Syrians also say it's Lebanese territory.

And ultimately, the point is, it's not occupied Zionist territory. But it was before October 7th. Hezbollah have promised that isn't happening again and the hundreds of thousands of settlers who were occupying it better may as well look for somewhere else to live..


There are no Israeli civilians living in the Sheba farms either.
#15310502
So Gantz has said he doesn't want an election now. He wants Netanyahu to have a free hand for the killing till September, at which point he hopes to take over in order to help Biden get reelected in November. Rather than throwing out election dates, it would be nice to hear what Gantz actually wants to do different from Netanyahu, aside from putting more weapons in the hands of the ultra Orthodox..

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