- 22 Oct 2018 04:11
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Conservatives being assholes for the sake of being assholes, how predictable.
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Ho hum. Another person accusing me of something I did not say. If you read carefully, all my post did was laugh at the absurd belief Obama’s changes should have more validity than Trunp’s.
Under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, no State shall 'deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.' The fundamental liberties protected by this Clause include most of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.
One Degree wrote:So, the battle is not about denying rights to those who deserve them.
Rugoz wrote:@Kaiserschmarrn
Oh please. This is just the usual right-wing angst
Rugoz wrote:that everybody will turn trans once you allow transgenders to officially change their gender.
It's certainly debatable what kind of evidence of sex change should be required, but categorically denying the right to anyone is right-wing idiocy at its best.
Rugoz wrote:P.S. Your twitter anecdotes are utterly worthless.
standard.co.uk wrote:
'Gender fluid' Credit Suisse director named on FT list of Top 100 Women in Business
A "gender fluid" senior director at Credit Suisse has been awarded a place on a list of the Top 100 Women in Business.
Rugoz wrote:The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:I'm taking right-wing angst to mean the rational and science-based approach and I would be very surprised if you actually knew what you are talking about here.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:Sex and gender are not equivalent, Rugoz. If you must style yourself as a defender of rights, at least make sure you know which ones you mean.
One Degree wrote:Using this issue to excuse the actions of mentally unstable people is the issue today.
Again, liberal issues are not being overturned because conservatives are backward Bible thumpers, but because liberals insist upon expanding their issues to absurd lengths. You are your own worst enemy.
As for Bible thumpers. Why is this not even an issue where I live? I don't even remember a debate. No doubt because my country isn't full of retarded Bible thumpers.
Rugoz wrote:There's a science-based approach that proves that people will be turning trans when transgenders are allowed to change their official gender? Interesting...
Rugoz wrote:You can fight terminology wars with somebody else. The one that's official, like in your passport.
Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender incongruence.
Biological sex is assigned at birth, depending on the appearance of the genitals. Gender identity is the gender that a person "identifies" with or feels themselves to be.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:If you have to invent something I have never stated and argue against it I'd call that a retreat.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:How is this is a "terminology war"? Will you accept it when it comes from the NHS?
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:Now there is certainly increasingly a push to muddy the waters and conflate the two and maybe you are in favour of that, but I'd hope we are still living in a somewhat rational society where sex is a biological reality grounded in science.
Rugoz wrote:What? You responded with "science-based approach" to my post which clearly stated that.
Rugoz wrote:Whatever's official.
Rugoz wrote:Biological reality only matters to the extent laws are different for men/women for biological reasons. The only thing that comes to my mind right now is military service. The question would then be how surgical or hormone treatment changes the biology relevant to those laws. But even if transgenders were still fit to serve as men (they won't serve as men since they're now officially women), I would rank the individual interest of transgenders higher in this case.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:I responded to a part of your post which didn't state that.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:Yet here you are bitching about the US govt planning to make a science-based definition "official ". Why is that?
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:This is amazingly stupid. Sorry to break it to you, but you will never be able to bear children, and even if the law explicitly stated that you can, it won't become a reality. Of course it's not entirely out of the question that in the near future we will be forced to pretend with a straight face that Rugoz is indeed pregnant if he chooses to sport a big belly. You could even be pregnant just for a few days a week!
Yes, that is how it was addressed before transgender became an issue. That does not mean exceptions were not allowed. Surgeries were performed on those who were not clearly defined. This is the only issue that has merit. Using this issue to excuse the actions of mentally unstable people is the issue today.
Again, liberal issues are not being overturned because conservatives are backward Bible thumpers, but because liberals insist upon expanding their issues to absurd lengths. You are your own worst enemy.
Surgeries were performed on those who were not clearly defined. This is the only issue that has merit.
Using this issue to excuse the actions of mentally unstable people is the issue today.
Please note that the Trump administration is using a “science based” (i.e biological) defintion of sex as the defintion for gender. So what they are doing is redefining gender in such a way that ignores sciences outside of biology, and in such a way as to stop trans people from having the same rights as everyone else.
Do you think trans people are freaks, lunatics, and wastrels?
Do you think that trans people are not working class?
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