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Albert wrote:These protests are serious. I hope all the Macarons and Muttis of new age progressive globalist order are freaking out at this sight.



They're not, they figure they'll just keep pushing this shit until they wear down the masses and it's finally accepted. Protests and riots are expected, they'll burn through a few empty suits like Macron(plenty more where he came from), but if they keep pumping the propaganda sooner or later they'll have their shiny new carbon controls.
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Rancid wrote:But they voted for him... no?

They voted for him, he defeated his opponent by a 2-to-1 margin while he was running on a Neoliberal-Europeanist-Environmentalist platform as a former investment banker ~1.5 years ago and all this was affirmed by a parliamentary election too. This whole undemocratic nonsense would be smashed in the US and no president would ever negotiate with them.
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I am a fanboy of democracy and it would be hard to find any leader with a stronger democratic mandate. And this is nothing special, all French presidents have to deal with this kind of thing. They had to organise something really big this time because Macron's legitimacy is hard to question.
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Oh now all of the sudden you support democracy. Perhaps we should have a second election on Macron like so many desire a second referendum for Brexit.




Check out the EU flag on the armour. Very subtle.



Fucking asshole. Fuck them all!

There are reports that she had lost an eye.
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Albert wrote:Oh now all of the sudden you support democracy. Perhaps we should have a second election on Macron like so many desire a second referendum for Brexit.


Beren doesn't support a second referendum Albert. Although in the UK, the referendum is not a democratic process. It is advisory.
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Macron is an EU creation that sold the electorate fairy tales. Now the illusions are gone and people can see what Macron actually represents. 70+% of people support the yellow vest protesters. Sorry Beren, but it must be nice to keep your head in the sand.
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The Yeĺow Vests have no democratic mandate or legitimacy, they only have some sympathy because it's easy to support their demands, and they can easily demand things because they're just a spontaneous bunch of unelected people with no responsibility. Macron is the legitimate leader of the country that has to face some civil unrest as usual in France.
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Beren wrote:The Yeĺow Vests have no democratic mandate or legitimacy, they only have some sympathy because it's easy to support their demands, and they can easily demand things because they're just a spontaneous bunch of unelected people with no responsibility. Macron is the legitimate leader of the country that has to face some civil unrest as usual in France.


The People are the ground of earthly sovereignty, they have no need to ''elect'' themselves. Macron did not ''lose'' his legitimacy, for he has none to begin with, being a paid tool of the monied interests in Europe and America.
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Sivad wrote:The only way to sufficiently reduce emissions without killing billions of people is by developing a superior alternative energy source and investing in infrastructure to break path dependency.


I think path dependency has already been broken in some fields, for example in 2017 157GW of renewable energy generating capacity was added vs. 70GW of fossil fuel energy generating capacity.

Beren wrote:They voted for him, he defeated his opponent by a 2-to-1 margin while he was running on a Neoliberal-Europeanist-Environmentalist platform as a former investment banker ~1.5 years ago and all this was affirmed by a parliamentary election too.


Macron won 2 to 1 against Le Pen because the left voted for him when their candidates dropped out in the first round. In a 2-round system a decisive victory in the second round isn't necessarily a sign of a strong mandate.

Since we've seen the same shit under past presidents, I think France needs a 6th republic. Something different than the current presidential system, it's ill-suited to the French.
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Macron’s Defeat in Paris Sounds Alarm for Europe

Less than a month ago, French President Emmanuel Macron staked his claim as the flag-bearer for globalism. In a speech to 60 world leaders at the Arc de Triomphe, he eulogized the United Nations and declared nationalism the “betrayal” of patriotism.

Last Saturday, tear gas and cobblestones flew in the same part of Paris as protesters trashed the iconic monument and demanded Macron’s embattled government withdraw a proposed fuel-tax increase. For the first time in his presidency, he backed down. It was a humbling moment for opponents of the populist revolts that spawned Donald Trump.

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Europe has seen many a critical juncture in recent years, from the Greek debt crisis to the anti-immigrant backlash against refugees and Britain’s Brexit vote. Rarely, though, have so many political vultures been circling around one leader with so much at stake for the world order.

Poland is flirting with the far right and nationalist parties cajoled by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban are plotting a rebellion at European Parliamentary elections in May. Meanwhile, Italy has collided with the European Union by taking a defiant stand on its budget spending.

With the EU’s erstwhile firefighter, Angela Merkel, planning to step down as German chancellor, the baton was supposed to pass to Macron to uphold liberal democracy. But Merkel’s power on the world stage was underpinned by a political fortress at home, and the French leader looks anything but solid.

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“You can’t make speeches about defending the international order when your popularity is at 20 percent and there are protesters in the street,” said Nicholas Dungan, a Paris-based senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. “It’s very difficult to get your credibility back.”

It’s a stark contrast to the weekend of Nov. 11 as leaders marked a century since the end of World War I. Macron championed the need for global cooperation while Trump cut an isolated figure. Europe’s divisions were laid bare that day as Polish government officials marched through Warsaw with far-right groups to mark the country’s Independence Day. Macron, though, stood firm as Europe’s statesman.

The images televised around the world last weekend were of burning cars in the French capital. The retreat by the 40-year-old French leader was mocked by Trump. Macron admitted, via his prime minister, that he’s not been able to connect with the French people. “No tax merits putting our nation’s unity in danger,” Edouard Philippe said in a televised address.

The trouble for opponents of Trump-style nativism and protectionism is that there’s no one else to take up his mantle, Dungan said.

After Macron was elected in May 2017, he sought to work with Merkel and a friendly government in Rome to deepen European integration. He reached out to Trump to convince the American president to stick to international agreements.

Trump ignored him and withdrew from the Iran nuclear accord and the Paris climate agreement. Trump tweeted that Macron’s climb down over a carbon tax that would raise fuel prices was proof that he’d been right all along.
Prevailing Wind

Merkel, meanwhile, was wounded in German elections in September 2017. She was formally replaced on Friday as the head of her party by Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, albeit an ally whose presence boosts the likelihood Merkel will see out her final term. Italy elected a Euroskeptic government in March.

“His ambitions for a strong Europe had already taken a hit from events in Germany and elsewhere,” said Philippe Moreau Defarges, an adviser at the Paris-based French Institute for International Affairs. “But he emerges seriously weakened from the recent events. He’s just not appeared up to the level, and France's image has taken a terrible blow.”

At home, his popularity has been sinking, hurt by the failure of his early unpopular changes to labor and tax law to revive the French economy. Macron’s policies are seen to favor the wealthy, and poll after poll have shown the French electorate thinks the former banker is aloof and arrogant. His approval rating is at 28 percent, according to an average of seven polling institutes.

Then came the “Yellow Vests.” The grassroots protest movement was sparked by opposition to his environmental policy of hiking taxes on diesel and gasoline to fund incentives to buy cleaner cars and home housing systems. But it’s evolved into widespread anger about the rising cost of living and declining services in rural and small-town France.

The protesters’ demands have expanded accordingly. Some want to restore the wealth tax, increasing pensions, raising the minimum wage, cutting the salaries of politicians, and even to Macron resigning and replacing the National Assembly with a “people’s council.” Polls show three-quarters of the French support their demands, even if they also disapprove of the violence that’s accompanied many of the protests.

It’s also been felt in the bond market. The yield on French securities compared with Germany, a barometer for political risk, rose to the highest level since Macron was elected.

He doesn’t face national elections again until 2022, and he’s always said he doesn’t care about popularity polls. French opposition parties will file a joint no-confidence motion against the government on Monday. It’s unlikely to make much difference.

But European elections and a series of municipal and regional votes over the next two years could shape up as referendums on his policies, according to Antonio Barroso, an analyst at Teneo Intelligence, which looks at political risk.

“Whether Macron will have enough political space to implement more economic reforms will probably be determined by the European Parliament elections, which will likely be interpreted as a ‘midterm vote’ on the presidency,” Barroso said.
Isolated

Even after Macron climbed down on the fuel taxes, the Yellow Vests have said they won’t dismantle their roadblocks and blockades. While they don’t have the formal organization of populist groups Italy’s Five Star Movement, the momentum is with them. Copycat protests have spread to Belgium and the Netherlands.

Most of its members will vote for either Marine Le Pen’s anti-immigrant National Rally or Jean-Luc Melenchon’s far-left France Unbowed, said Marc Lazar, a professor at Sciences Po in Paris. Both party leaders were defeated by Macron last year and eye another shot at power. The worry for the EU is that neither of them are defenders of the bloc’s integrity.

Any breakthroughs by those parties in May’s European elections will make it difficult for Macron to push on with his agenda -- for France and beyond. “Macron emerges from this extremely weakened and isolated,” said Lazar. “Both at home and in Europe.”
The protesters’ demands have expanded accordingly. Some want to restore the wealth tax, increasing pensions, raising the minimum wage, cutting the salaries of politicians, and even to Macron resigning and replacing the National Assembly with a “people’s council.” Polls show three-quarters of the French support their demands, even if they also disapprove of the violence that’s accompanied many of the protests.

It’s also been felt in the bond market. The yield on French securities compared with Germany, a barometer for political risk, rose to the highest level since Macron was elected.

He doesn’t face national elections again until 2022, and he’s always said he doesn’t care about popularity polls. French opposition parties will file a joint no-confidence motion against the government on Monday. It’s unlikely to make much difference.

But European elections and a series of municipal and regional votes over the next two years could shape up as referendums on his policies, according to Antonio Barroso, an analyst at Teneo Intelligence, which looks at political risk.

“Whether Macron will have enough political space to implement more economic reforms will probably be determined by the European Parliament elections, which will likely be interpreted as a ‘midterm vote’ on the presidency,” Barroso said.
Isolated

Even after Macron climbed down on the fuel taxes, the Yellow Vests have said they won’t dismantle their roadblocks and blockades. While they don’t have the formal organization of populist groups Italy’s Five Star Movement, the momentum is with them. Copycat protests have spread to Belgium and the Netherlands.

Most of its members will vote for either Marine Le Pen’s anti-immigrant National Rally or Jean-Luc Melenchon’s far-left France Unbowed, said Marc Lazar, a professor at Sciences Po in Paris. Both party leaders were defeated by Macron last year and eye another shot at power. The worry for the EU is that neither of them are defenders of the bloc’s integrity.

Any breakthroughs by those parties in May’s European elections will make it difficult for Macron to push on with his agenda -- for France and beyond. “Macron emerges from this extremely weakened and isolated,” said Lazar. “Both at home and in Europe.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... for-europe

This is indeed bad news for the EU.
The result of globalist policies.
The people have had enough.
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