[Sivad]

Lol. And Trump isn't a billionaire oligarc? And all his ilk with Bannon, the NRA, large corporations, big oil & gas and of course Russia and her oligarcs?

By all means deride the liberal establishment but it's just priceless to pretend Trump et al are anything other than much, much worse.

I'm not pretending Trump isn't part of the ruling class, he is. But I'm also not pretending that Trump is any worse than any of the lying thieving murdering liberal psychopaths that have occupied the White House over the last 30 years. I don't give a fuck about your stupid partisan nonsense, I'm not caught up in that retarded paradigm.

[Presvias]

Ha haha ha, what total and unadulterated crapola you spout.

Just skimmed yer posts mate.

Wingnuts don't need an overwrought teenage girl, they have a fucking Trump. Libtards brought a Greta to a Trump fight."

That she was the perfect evil at the perfect time and eight years of her scandalous ass would tank the liberal establishment for good and all. If you want to win at politics you can't play checkers, you gotta play chess and chess requires strategic sacrifices. But I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch, I was all in for Sanders and my politics run in the direction of left libertarian by way of social democracy.

The establishment definitely uses extremists on both ends of the spectrum to drive the masses into the neoliberal technocratic "center" but the alt-right isn't part of the establishment.

30:39 When Trump’s message resonates with black voters

The establishment definitely uses extremists on both ends of the spectrum to drive the masses into the neoliberal technocratic "center" but the alt-right isn't part of the establishment.

You're like an even more confused and manipulated Tim Pool or something. Everything you write supports alt-rightery but you affect to be a lefty or non-partisan depending on the weather.

[Sivad]

You're like an even more confused and manipulated Tim Pool or something. Everything you write supports alt-rightery but you affect to be a lefty or non-partisan depending on the weather.

I'm not confused in the slightest, I know exactly where I'm coming from and my positions are coherent and consistent. You on the other hand are deeply confused, you think the alt-right is the establishment and liberal technocracy is the way to go, your politics is Tim Pool on crack.

[foxdemon]

Chinese President Xi Jinping on Tuesday vowed to further open the nation’s economy and rallied support for globalisation in a bid to position himself as a leader in promoting international cooperation and free trade amid the threat of a trade war with the United States.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2141099/chinese-president-xi-jinping-stands-globalisation-free-trade


Xi Jinping is part of that global establishment. In fact, he would like to lead it. It is only liberal while the Americans shape it. Would you prefer a global establishment that was based on authoritarian values instead?

[Presvias]

I'm not confused in the slightest, I know exactly where I'm coming from and my positions are coherent and consistent. You on the other hand are deeply confused, you think the alt-right is the establishment and liberal technocracy is the way to go, your politics is Tim Pool on crack.

Yet you've amply demonstrated that you haven't the foggiest what socialism actually entails, nor do you know the difference between social-democracy; you're just wildly flinging the same accusation back at me with some additions and a childish dig, excellent, good luck... you can quite clearly see I'm not fussed.

But feel free to keep defending every alt-right cause and Trump, whilst affecting to be a socialist, if such makes you happy..

[Sivad]

:lol: Yet you've amply demonstrated that you haven't the foggiest what socialism actually entails, nor do you know the difference between social-democracy;

[Sivad]

:lol: Yet you've amply demonstrated that you haven't the foggiest what socialism actually entails, nor do you know the difference between social-democracy;

well right here you're amply demonstrating that you don't shit about it because anyone that knows anything about socialism knows that it's a contested term that's used as a label for a wide range of systems. Your little grade school dictionary definitions are a fucking joke, far too simplistic to have any real utility for serious discussion.

But feel free to keep defending every alt-right cause and Trump, whilst affecting to be a socialist, if such makes you happy

[Presvias]

Anyone can see that I'm 100% right by reading annatar's thread.

(shrug)

And indeed. You may continue you as you were, sir..

[skinster]

[Patrickov]

https://twitter.com/TimothyS/status/1183762424941428741?s=20

It is stupid to trust whoever fully. However, with there's only one entity both willing and capable to balance the wicked Chinese influence, are there any other choices?

I dare these deniers to provide a viable and successful alternative!

Anyone who are doubting the stainless protesting souls, including the re-poster above, are just Chinese enablers and collaborationists. In other words, they are Lebensunwertes Leben, and deserve every bit of the worst possible fates that can be inflicted.

[Hong Wu]

I didn't see many Pepe the frogs at first but he's showing up a lot more often lately.

A character for the police lately, in spray paint and posters, appears to be some sort of yellow cat-like animal, possibly a Pikachu. I'm not sure why they selected this since I don't really talk to anyone about the protests, my best guess though (if it is indeed Pikachu) is that maybe a police officer tasered someone and Pikachu emits lightning bolts...

[Hong Wu]

Would you prefer a global establishment that was based on authoritarian values instead?

[Patrickov]

I didn't see many Pepe the frogs at first but he's showing up a lot more often lately.

A character for the police lately, in spray paint and posters, appears to be some sort of yellow cat-like animal, possibly a Pikachu. I'm not sure why they selected this since I don't really talk to anyone about the protests, my best guess though (if it is indeed Pikachu) is that maybe a police officer tasered someone and Pikachu emits lightning bolts...

I might have seen these pictures on passing buses as well, although I fail to reckon what those images represent as well.

[Hong Wu]

What is wrong with the alt-right? I understand they are stigmatized by the fact that some of the members are indeed Nazis but most of them are only looking for a way out from the situation in their part of the world. The reason alt-right exists is the same reason radicals came to power in the 20's,30's and 40s of the 20th century. People are dissatisfied with their life. If we don't fix that then this process will only intensify. Housing that costs 40 years of your lifes work, low salaries, debt slavery basically, no work in society that bases your value by the amount of money you earn etc They are not exactly incorrect in saying that liberalism is at fault here along with globalisation.

European, American, developed nations middle classes are the losers that are subsidising the global growth right now. The more you impoverish the middle class, the more radical it will get until heads start flying of peoples heads. We will face a massive middle class revolt in both US and EU if nothing changes within the next 5-20 years. The current alt-right, Trump and Brexit are not revolts but just minor symptoms of what is to come if nothing changes.

Funnily enough, Hong Kong is facing a similar situation that pilled on top of the long existing problem of the encroaching CCP authoritarianism, assimilation and full destruction of HK autonomy. Don't forget, HK has perhaps the most priciest housing in the world, well at least one of the most priciest for example.

This was a great post. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to play devil's advocate on at least one thing here. People act as if they want housing prices to be lower so that they can buy one house to have their family in and so-on. Yet, the last time housing prices were significantly decreased, we saw a lot of houses getting flipped by unqualified people. The relaxing of loan guidelines (later termed "predatory lending") and the securitization of mortgages obviously didn't help, yet I think that what most people really want is to be rich. If housing is made too accessible, many are not going to buy just one house and be content with it. They'll inflate their numbers, buy a house on loan, flip it, rinse wash and repeat...

I suspect that private land ownership will increasingly be a thing of the past for many reasons, this is one of the more subtle ones. What people really need is a secure place to live, ownership in the traditional sense is not necessarily a part of that.

[Patrickov]

This was a great post. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to play devil's advocate on at least one thing here. People act as if they want housing prices to be lower so that they can buy one house to have their family in and so-on. Yet, the last time housing prices were significantly decreased, we saw a lot of houses getting flipped by unqualified people. The relaxing of loan guidelines (later termed "predatory lending") and the securitization of mortgages obviously didn't help, yet I think that what most people really want is to be rich. If housing is made too accessible, many are not going to buy just one house and be content with it. They'll inflate their numbers, buy a house on loan, flip it, rinse wash and repeat...

Indeed. I, for one, do not hesitate to admit the desire to be rich too (which, to say the least, opens the prospect of accessing decent members of the opposite gender ) However, there are simply more than one ways to be rich, and if a house (actually just a very small apartment!! Detached houses can cost in the order of 10M USD or even more!!) costs as much as a lottery first prize it is simply not worth owning one anyways.

I suspect that private land ownership will increasingly be a thing of the past for many reasons, this is one of the more subtle ones. What people really need is a secure place to live, ownership in the traditional sense is not necessarily a part of that.

I have to point out that, both the Chinese and the American Systems do not provide security as I understand it. In China, the Government can seize whatever you have if you get in someone's way, especially if the person in concern is a local bully (someone higher in order would have to be more careful); while in America, one might get their heads popped by a lunatic randomly.

The problem here is, the Chinese not only are negligent to our security, they are actually trying to impose a System where the Government or a local bully can arbitrarily bleed us to death.

[Hong Wu]

Indeed. I, for one, do not hesitate to admit the desire to be rich too (which, to say the least, opens the prospect of accessing decent members of the opposite gender ) However, there are simply more than one ways to be rich, and if a house (actually just a very small apartment!! Detached houses can cost in the order of 10M USD or even more!!) costs as much as a lottery first prize it is simply not worth owning one anyways.

That's probably the point. At best, it's a balancing act. It should be worth owning, yet too expensive for filthy casuals to be able to flip it. Exactly how to accomplish that though, or for how long people will fall for it before wanting something other than ownership (it might be a long time), is unclear.

I have to point out that, both the Chinese and the American Systems do not provide security as I understand it. In China, the Government can seize whatever you have if you get in someone's way, especially if the person in concern is a local bully (someone higher in order would have to be more careful); while in America, one might get their heads popped by a lunatic randomly.

The problem here is, the Chinese not only are negligent to our security, they are actually trying to impose a System where the Government or a local bully can arbitrarily bleed us to death.

Also in America, there is something called eminent domain. This means that the government can seize your land at any time they deem it necessary, provided of course that they pay you fair compensation. The ones who determine what fair compensation is are more or less the same people who are seizing your land. So, actual property ownership is arguably an illusion anyway because every government in the world has some form of eminent domain. However, in America and other western countries the eminent domain clause is rarely invoked and so people are under the impression that they own their land forever.

A funny side note here is that according to a YouTube video I watched, the Queen of England technically owns all of the land in the UK, Canada and Australia, it's just that no one expects her to even attempt to exercise this ownership right in any real way, aside from the eminent domain clause in the UK probably mentioning Her Majesty or something.

The housing crisis in Hong Kong is a strange animal. You have huge demand and wealthy people, whereas other people are earning barely more than a mainland Chinese-level wage, so there is a huge disparity in purchasing power and wealth here. The government is even building an artificial island to fill with public housing structures, which seems like a worthy project to me. Exactly how housing issues should be handled is beyond my expertise but I feel as if I have a handle on why most of the world is in more or less the same state regarding this.

Ironically, the place with the most real estate flipping right now is probably mainland China, yet this has been accused of being a bubble economy with unusable "ghost cities" for many years and just how that plays out is pretty unclear.

[Patrickov]

The housing crisis in Hong Kong is a strange animal. You have huge demand and wealthy people, whereas other people are earning barely more than a mainland Chinese-level wage, so there is a huge disparity in purchasing power and wealth here. The government is even building an artificial island to fill with public housing structures, which seems like a worthy project to me. Exactly how housing issues should be handled is beyond my expertise but I feel as if I have a handle on why most of the world is in more or less the same state regarding this.

Ironically, the place with the most real estate flipping right now is probably mainland China, yet this has been accused of being a bubble economy with unusable "ghost cities" for many years and just how that plays out is pretty unclear.

This more or less is down to the social fairness in China. From what I am told and (somewhat) experienced, had China been a freer and (more importantly) fairer (e.g. rule-of-law instead of rule-by-law) society, there would be no over-population issue in Hong Kong at all, as most people with Chinese descent here would have been more than glad to return to either their hometown or the closest metropolis to there (e.g. Guangzhou / Canton).

[Rancid]

Looks like LeBron James has sold out to such on the sweet sweet tit of China.

[Patrickov]

Looks like LeBron James has sold out to such on the sweet sweet tit of China.

If he has, he worded it rather carefully.

IMHO celebrities can only do one of the two extremes. Their business make them very hard not to take a side. It takes a Nixon to go to China after all.

[Presvias]

Indeed. I, for one, do not hesitate to admit the desire to be rich too (which, to say the least, opens the prospect of accessing decent members of the opposite gender ) However, there are simply more than one ways to be rich, and if a house (actually just a very small apartment!! Detached houses can cost in the order of 10M USD or even more!!) costs as much as a lottery first prize it is simply not worth owning one anyways.




I have to point out that, both the Chinese and the American Systems do not provide security as I understand it. In China, the Government can seize whatever you have if you get in someone's way, especially if the person in concern is a local bully (someone higher in order would have to be more careful); while in America, one might get their heads popped by a lunatic randomly.

The problem here is, the Chinese not only are negligent to our security, they are actually trying to impose a System where the Government or a local bully can arbitrarily bleed us to death.

Oh gawd, you tacitly support all the pepe le frog rubbish do you? And there's a new pikachu type mascot as the logo of these glorious protests now? Already felt sick, now the puerile childish, self-destroying stupidity has reached new lows. You're making China look good with that shit. The child is so, so very apt..

What planet do you inhabit?