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Interesting to me, the guy sounds like a leftist, not 'far-right'.

Prosecutor Alistair Richardson described Morgan as having a "deep-rooted anti-Semitic belief, embodied in a desire to do harm to the Jewish community and an obsession with abhorrent anti-Semitic material".


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His laptops, mobile phone and storage devices contained antisemitic and neo-Nazi material


Nazis - socialists/leftists/fascists, etc.

The left believes the opposite. These people are distrustful of the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They give primacy to group rights and identity. They believe factors like race, ethnicity, and gender compose the primary political unit. They don’t believe in strong property rights. They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities and render our social fabric more inclusive (as they define it). They believe the free market has failed to solve issues like campaign finance, income inequality, minimum wage, access to healthcare, and righting past injustices. These people talk about “democracy” — the method of collective decisions.

By these definitions, the Nazis were firmly on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” That this brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people or “volk” and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism — the nation being especially important to those who bled in the Great War.


The guy in this story is blatantly mentally/emotionally broken though, and i hope he finds help.
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Traveller wrote:Interesting to me, the guy sounds like a leftist, not 'far-right'.



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Nazis - socialists/leftists/fascists, etc.



The guy in this story is blatantly mentally/emotionally broken though, and i hope he finds help.

Unless you are referring to Strasserism , or perhaps the even lesser known tendency of Else Christensen , I would say that you don't know what you are talking about . As these videos illustrate , Hitlerism is not actually authentic socialism .
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Political Interest wrote:Far right or far left it makes no difference, it's all the same violent extremism perpetuated by people with absolutely no conscience.

Society must have solidarism. It is important to reject classism, racism and religious prejudice.

Far right and far left extremists should be put in jail. Movements like Alt-Right should be banned. Communists and Neo-Nazis should all be sent to prison.

Anyone who compromises national solidarism should be jailed.

Unfortunately the political class are creating the conditions for communalism and massive problems within the next 40 years.

The solution is not liberal capitalism but we will also not find alternatives in far right or far left ideas either. What is needed is an alternative centrism and one that is maybe outside the confines of democracy. We also need social democracy if not a complete socialist system with market characteristics.
I can imagine no system more totalitarian than your desire to penalize people for what is essentially thought crime . I contend that people should not be punished simply for their opinions , but rather solely for their actions . And as to Communists , in practice we have come to have more in common with the market socialist mixed economy than you realize . Case in point , Goulash Communism . We need not necessarily be personal enemies , just because your ideology seems to be rooted in either some sort of radical centrism , such as communitarianism , or a third position , such as maybe Justicialism , and mine is derived primarily from neo-Communism . Time will very well tell which approach to the social system works best , but I do not think that either of us should be vindictive towards one another , just because one of us gets the better of the other in the pursuit of political power .
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Deutschmania wrote:I can imagine no system more totalitarian than your desire to penalize people for what is essentially thought crime . I contend that people should not be punished simply for their opinions , but rather solely for their actions . And as to Communists , in practice we have come to have more in common with the market socialist mixed economy than you realize . Case in point , Goulash Communism . We need not necessarily be personal enemies , just because your ideology seems to be rooted in either some sort of radical centrism , such as communitarianism , or a third position , such as maybe Justicialism , and mine is derived primarily from neo-Communism . Time will very well tell which approach to the social system works best , but I do not think that either of us should be vindictive towards one another , just because one of us gets the better of the other in the pursuit of political power.


You see, my idea would be something like socialism of the type which existed in Warsaw Pact countries but with the addition of a market system alongside state planning. What I am against is far left extremists who pursue anti-social ideas and promote them in public. Anyone who promotes destabilising influences should not be given a platform. Can you imagine the USSR or East Germany tolerating anyone who did this?

Likewise we are seeing an increase in Neo-Nazism in a lot of Europe and these people are also a threat to social cohesion and stability.

I'm not against free speech that is moderate and not an avenue to radicalisation of society.

You have Tito as an avatar. I'm sure you're aware that he didn't run a democracy.

And you are not the sort of person I would want to imprison because you are not an extemist.

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