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By Beren
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QatzelOk wrote:But to call this "common sense," is a bit of a stretch.

Indeed, because you're just being a bitch here, however, Epstein being alive and sipping champagne on a yacht or a sandy beach on a perfect sunny day would make a great scene in a Hollywood movie for sure. :lol:
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Beren wrote:Indeed, because you're just being a bitch here, however, Epstein being alive and sipping champagne on a yacht or a sandy beach on a perfect sunny day would make a great scene in a Hollywood movie for sure. :lol:

"Being a bitch" at the appropriate time, is a product of common sense.

The opposite of common sense is false consciousness. And False Consciousness is, in our day, mainly a product of media fabrications (lying).

False Consciousness says, "I'm not sure if Jeffrey was killed or killed himself. But he's definitely dead, so he will never be forced to testify against the other "bad apples" he may-or-may-not-have been involved with."

False Consciousness says, "This story is just another one about the inequality of young women."
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By Beren
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QatzelOk wrote:"Being a bitch" at the appropriate time, is a product of common sense.

It's rather a product of wanting to make the story even bigger than it is and squeeze 110% out of it. I wonder if being a bitch could ever be appropriate during a supposedly honest and reasonable debate, I wouldn't think so.
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blackjack21 wrote:Trump clearly met Epstein, but Trump also kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. By contrast, Clinton was on the so-called "Lolita Express" many times, and he had the reputation consonant with what is alleged of the goings on with Epstein. What's more interesting is that there are many others involved, but the FBI appears to have known about this--much of it criminal--and did nothing about it. I've said multiple times, it's just too pat that we see people like Robert Mueller, James Comey and Patrick Fitzgerald popping up all the time with these scandals. Clearly, Epstein ran a blackmail honey pot operation. It's principals are still lurking in the shadows.


Yes, but opinions and conspiracy theories in this case are much more likely than what we're being told by the media and pundits.


I do, but you are talking about transforming it from capitalist into socialist, which is a revolutionary matter.

Yes, BJ, I think socialism is going to improve the living conditions of the working class. Giving them greater security and it will also improve the USA in general. If you have the majority of your population with decent living standards, more opportunities for being educated and with preventive medicine and health measures and unemployment insurance, and making sure babies, toddlers and children are taken care of? Just general investment in the society's well being over time and not wasting money on useless wars and both liberal and and conservative wasteful spending and corruption? You get a better society. I want that for ALL nations. Just not the USA. Got a lot of work ahead of us if we go for real improvement and not hot air bullshit that never improves anyone's life.

Do you think Donald Trump has scrupulously groomed people to assume unelected government bureaucratic positions over many decades, put people in elected positions, used these people to thwart adversaries, etc? Trump is rich, but he wasn't born that wealthy. Compare and contrast the previous generation of Kennedys; Jay, David and Nelson Rockefeller, Pete du Pont, and so forth.

I don't give a shit about Trump being some victim. He is not a victim. He is a power-hungry man with no scruples and a lot of bad choices that affect too many people. He needs to be gone.

American old money doesn't consider Donald Trump to be one of "them."

Do I care about old money or new money? No. I care about getting a representative of working-class value and people candidates elected in there. Get a person who's parents were struggling and hardworking with decent values and the kid went to uni and is brilliant, had no money, and is extremely bright, accomplished, educated, and talented and is great at everything. The BEST of humanity should be running nations. Not fools or greedy bastards. I got food standards. Do you think I won't have president material standards? No one wants bland, dull, low quality food when they want a good gastronomic experience. Why should I go for a low-quality politician and think that is an improvement BJ? It is not.



I don't see how someone like Mujica could even get elected in the US. You really have to fight hard to become president of the United States--harder than Mitt Romney was willing to fight.


:lol: :D You don't know who he is do you? The man was an activist that opposed the government. He was thrown in solitary confinement, starved, tortured and beaten and nearly died for 12 years in jail. He wound up taking over the government and becoming president of the nation. His mother visited him in prison and told him, "Hold on Jose. Don't commit suicide or give up. No matter what they do to you." He never gave up. They made a movie about his life and the lives of his other men in prison for life. Easy road to the presidency? :lol: No.

I don't go for people who don't sacrifice something really profound to lead. They are such great leaders that the system wants to kill them or jail them and can't kill them outright because they became innately too powerful via popular support. But they had zero money in the bank account. Pure courage and deep intelligence. Those are the ones I respect. The ones who die trying to accomplish what the rest of the leaders are too fucking scared to do.

The rare ones. Like Jose Mujica, ex president of Uruguay. Lol. He is the poorest prez. He lives in some modest home in the outskirts of Montevideo. He never gave one damn about wealth. That is the right sort of president. You can't buy him off because he ain't interested in money. Easy road to the presidency? No. :lol: :lol:

An interview:



That is the kind of leader I like. Not some spoiled piece of shit out for himself. That is not the leader I respect BJ. You don't know Latin American political history at all. That is the reality. You are not me.

My values are different than yours.
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Tainari88 wrote:Yes, BJ, I think socialism is going to improve the living conditions of the working class. Giving them greater security and it will also improve the USA in general. If you have the majority of your population with decent living standards, more opportunities for being educated and with preventive medicine and health measures and unemployment insurance, and making sure babies, toddlers and children are taken care of?

Socialism in this case is an abstraction. Real problems need real solutions, and you have to fight real entrenched interests. Decent living standards aren't hard to achieve if you're willing to give up free trade agreements. That means a lower standard of living for the upper classes though, so you have to take them on. Education opportunities would also be easy to address, as schools are effectively already socialist. So you have to take on the entrenched bureaucracy--the labor unions, etc. Unemployment insurance has been part of the US since the 1930s, like 90 years now. WIC, etc. has been around for a long time too. Basically, there are two things that need to be addressed:

1) Neoconservative/neoliberal trade policies
2) Democratic party political machine

Crush those two factions, and things generally start to improve for people.

Tainari88 wrote:I don't give a shit about Trump being some victim. He is not a victim.

I'm not encouraging you to take pity on Trump. I'm trying to help you see beyond "capitalism=bad; socialism=good" so that you can understand the political system in the United States better than you do. Let's remove race from the equation for the moment. Watch this lecture when you have some time:



The establishment either breeds or educates who they want to be in power later in life. Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, John F. Kennedy, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush were of "breeding." People like Clinton, Obama and Biden were educated to the establishment's desires--moulded into politicians, having done nothing else with their lives. In the absence of grooming, the establishment sees people like Clinton and Obama as trash, but they are the Pygmalion product of the establishment. Trump is not. For all intents and purposes, to them Trump is white trash. He doesn't deserve to be president, because they didn't mold and shape him. Ironically, the more they attack him, the more they alienate themselves from the seat of power.

Tainari88 wrote:He is a power-hungry man with no scruples and a lot of bad choices that affect too many people. He needs to be gone.

A guy who decides against retaliating against Iran shooting down a drone, because it is not proportionate is someone with scruples. A guy who gets through all the lawfare attacks on him unscathed has scruples. Is he a paragon of moral virtue? No. However, your emotional attachment to people like Jose Mujica leaves you with a one-dimensional view of other politicians. If Trump loses, he will be replaced by the neoliberal cabal and we'll be back at war again. There is no Jose Mujica in the 2020 election with better than a snowball's chance in hell of winning the White House.

Tainari88 wrote:Do I care about old money or new money? No. I care about getting a representative of working-class value and people candidates elected in there.

That's not a viable choice in the 2020 presidential elections in the US.

Tainari88 wrote:Get a person who's parents were struggling and hardworking with decent values and the kid went to uni and is brilliant, had no money, and is extremely bright, accomplished, educated, and talented and is great at everything.

Bill Clinton? Barack Obama?

Tainari88 wrote:The BEST of humanity should be running nations. Not fools or greedy bastards.

That's a normative statement. It's not realpolitik.

Tainari88 wrote:You don't know who he is do you?

Personally, no.

Tainari88 wrote:The man was an activist that opposed the government. He was thrown in solitary confinement, starved, tortured and beaten and nearly died for 12 years in jail.

Maybe Michael Flynn should run for high office.

Tainari88 wrote:You can't buy him off because he ain't interested in money.

That's also true of John F. Kennedy, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Donald Trump. They already have enough money.

Tainari88 wrote:You don't know Latin American political history at all. That is the reality.

Back in the 1990s, I was actually invited to the old presidential palace in Rio for a musical performance. We were staying in a penthouse in the Copacabana neighborhood of Rio, within walking distance of the Copacabana Palace hotel. The owner had a major domo in charge of the property who was gay and the son of the former secretary of Brazil's communist party. He gave us quite a bit of background of Brazilian politics, being a red diaper baby himself. He was the one who pointed out to me the differences in architecture in Rio, and the gaps in architectural styles that are present in liberal countries when the government in Brazil was totalitarian. I also visited the old palace up in Petropolis, where Pedro II lived.

If Augusto Pinochet were a family friend of mine, you'd say the same thing.

In 2006 when I was in Costa Rica and Nicaragua, I got a deeper reading of the kinds of things that Daniel Ortega's forces did there. We were looking at property, and I decided against investing in Nicaragua due to the cloudy title problems from the years of the Sandinista government. We went up to the caldera at Masaya, where it was said the Sandinistas used to throw their political opponents into the lava lake at the bottom of it. Daniel Ortega was a poor boy once too, and he's a fairly wealthy socialist now.

Tainari88 wrote:You are not me.

My values are different than yours.

Indeed. I don't believe in socialism, because human nature doesn't quite work that way.
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blackjack21 wrote:I got a deeper reading of the kinds of things that Daniel Ortega's forces did there.

Was this deeper reading a product of Reagan's the Contras are cuddly - "53 cents per day supports a freedom fighter" - Office of Public Diplomacy for Latin America and the Caribbean, by any chance?


:lol:
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colliric wrote:I'm probably going to get flagged by @Noemon for pointing this out and maybe I'll deserve it, but alot of these people (Cohn, Rosenstein, Epstein, Weinstein and Anthony Weiner) are rich Ashkenazi Jews.

That's because Ashkenazi Jews are highly successful, particular in the places where one has the greatest potential for the use of power to gain sex.
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ingliz wrote:Was this deeper reading a product of Reagan's the Contras are cuddly - "53 cents per day supports a freedom fighter" - Office of Public Diplomacy for Latin America and the Caribbean, by any chance?


:lol:


Ingliz I need to be a lot more like you are. Succinct and to the point and make an excellent point without any other elaboration involved.

I do envy you that. ;)
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blackjack21 wrote:Socialism in this case is an abstraction. Real problems need real solutions, and you have to fight real entrenched interests. Decent living standards aren't hard to achieve if you're willing to give up free trade agreements. That means a lower standard of living for the upper classes though, so you have to take them on. Education opportunities would also be easy to address, as schools are effectively already socialist. So you have to take on the entrenched bureaucracy--the labor unions, etc. Unemployment insurance has been part of the US since the 1930s, like 90 years now. WIC, etc. has been around for a long time too. Basically, there are two things that need to be addressed:

1) Neoconservative/neoliberal trade policies
2) Democratic party political machine

Crush those two factions, and things generally start to improve for people.

Crushing the elite and the ones controlling international trade, banks and powerful interests are basically far Left things BJ. The far right sucks at that. You guys keep supporting conmen and bullshit. I will try to be as succinct as @ingliz is today. Try it out? Lol. All the liberal bandaid solutions are there because capitalists keep using the state to address the things they refuse to concede to workers. There are Walmart workers who work full time and are on food stamps and go to public health clinics. The capitalists want workers on the edge of starvation. The liberal state keeps them happy.

I'm not encouraging you to take pity on Trump. I'm trying to help you see beyond "capitalism=bad; socialism=good" so that you can understand the political system in the United States better than you do. Let's remove race from the equation for the moment. Watch this lecture when you have some time:



Why do you think I have not read the history of white trash in the USA? I have extensively. I even recommended it to Skinster for reading. Why do you believe I don't understand the USA system as well or better than you do? I am from un incorporated territory of the USA. Puerto Rico. From a politically involved and educated family who made it a point to study the US's gov't system extensively because it is affecting us very negatively BJ. You got to study a system that is in control and harming your people and society extremely well to come up with ways to overcome. Otherwise what is the point. I think I understand the system very very well. I just don't benefit from it like you do BJ. You are a man who very much believes in the system still. You left the Republican party in 2006. That means you were part of the mainstream for a very long time. I have never been part of it. I studied it and had to deal with the way they cope with 'dissidents'. You have not. You are a Trump voter. It makes you very establishment in my point of view. You are not going to commit class suicide because you are living a good, comfortable life receiving funds from a company that dedicates itself to making some money off of 5G. You are most probably not a millionaire but you are comfortable. What angle do you come from? Establishment but you got your principles. Mainly keep the lower classes with minimal supports and make sure the ones who have a skill that is rewarded in the market are stable. I don't know much about your general policy questions because as far as I know, "You haven't worked on those details." Why? You say your main goal is to get rid of the neoliberals/neoconservatives. Not on how to create a more just society for the majority (which happen to be the working classes and lower-middle classes in the USA). Again, over 60% of the USA population makes 40k or less a year in income. Those people's concerns you have not worked out yet. I find that deficient.

The establishment either breeds or educates who they want to be in power later in life. Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, John F. Kennedy, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush were of "breeding." People like Clinton, Obama and Biden were educated to the establishment's desires--moulded into politicians, having done nothing else with their lives. In the absence of grooming, the establishment sees people like Clinton and Obama as trash, but they are the Pygmalion product of the establishment. Trump is not. For all intents and purposes, to them Trump is white trash. He doesn't deserve to be president, because they didn't mold and shape him. Ironically, the more they attack him, the more they alienate themselves from the seat of power.
Most politics is about the real world BJ. In the real world, people like Trump and Biden are not considered 'men of the people'. The lower classes here in Mexico would never consider either of them working-class Mexicans at all. People are not naive like that in terms of class conflict. They are in the USA because the entire propaganda machine in the USA feeds a bunch of bunk to the American public about how you too are gonna be a rich success story. All you need is to believe in capitalism, play by the rules, and don't buck the system. When they find out it is all a sham? They are not happy. Most Americans are radicalized not by being Americans believing in the American Dream, but being disillusioned by the American Reality. There is very little social mobility now in the USA. A lower-class person has more of a chance to become middle class in the UK or even Italy than they do in the USA. There are a lot of very angry white people now in the USA. It is not good for thinking the society is going to stabilize with that Biden winning. But the Americans got to learn the hard way what never had to be explained or taught to the Latin Americans BJ. Over here? There are no WiC programs, social security checks and welfare and unemployment insurance for all. You don't have to ask people if hard work gets you far in this society. They all know the answer. No, it does not. It only makes wealthy people more rich and more powerful. They got tired of it. And now the only people protesting in the streets are wealthy folks in expensive cars too afraid of Covid to be out in the open. They are few compared to the vast sea of humanity in Mexico who live hand to mouth. In a democracy? The majority should be ruling. They are. So there are less of a problem in keeping consensus about who is approved to be in power. The rich know this in Mexico and they fall behind the socialist president who has openly said he is not a capitalist believer. He doesn't antagonize the capitalists but he threatens them with loss of their huge fortunes if they don't start doing things differently with an effort towards providing for the vast poor population of the nation. The USA is totally controlled by corporations and are sellouts. They have nothing of class consciousness left. They are going to have to burn for a while till they get it. Biden won't prevent what will happen. You really should dedicate more time to studying the political histories of other nations and societies BJ. You learn what works and what fails. A very important thing in politics to learn. But you are far too comfortable in your position to do so with any seriousness.


Are you seriously trying to say to me BJ? That Trump is the same as some white trash person with no money in the bank? Latin Americans would find your theories extremely funny. Because I do. He is a product of American coarse shady capitalistic greed. He is the epitome of low life capitalist values. But he is a capitalist believer. Your side has to own him and all he does. Do you think Trump wasn't molded by his great grandfather's trashy brothel past and all the rest? He is what American shit values are all about. That is how he got to the position he has now. The USA is full of white-trash capitalistic greed. That is why I said he is a product of the worst of American values.

A guy who decides against retaliating against Iran shooting down a drone, because it is not proportionate is someone with scruples. A guy who gets through all the lawfare attacks on him unscathed has scruples. Is he a paragon of moral virtue? No. However, your emotional attachment to people like Jose Mujica leaves you with a one-dimensional view of other politicians. If Trump loses, he will be replaced by the neoliberal cabal and we'll be back at war again. There is no Jose Mujica in the 2020 election with better than a snowball's chance in hell of winning the White House.

Politics is sometimes a very slow moving thing BJ. But that the conditions change? Yes they do. Eventually. Don't even attempt to sell Trump to me as a man with scruples BJ. He is a man with nothing but his own narcissism and self interested BS to peddle. He is in there for the above reasons I already wrote about. If Mujica made it in some nation? The USA is made up of human beings BJ. The same species. Like I said before? If something happens in one human nation politically that is highly unlikely? If you change the conditions and the way people think about politics? It can happen in another human nation. That is the nature of understanding that all of us are one species. Not two separate species. Before there was only one democratic socialist in the senate. Bernie. Now there are more. They are pressuring the neoliberals in the Democratic party. They were 6k people and now that has grown to 60k. A big jump. Puerto Rico has 2.5% voters for independence. Between Victoria Ciudadana Party 11% and the PIP growing by another 2% to 4.5% it makes 15%. A big jump BJ. It means growth. And it is accelerating. Why? The actions of the ones in power are creating the conditions. Just like in Uruguay Tupumaru grew. Because the Uruguayan Right Wing were torturers, and murderers and did everything for their own interests and ignored the vast group of poor in their nation. They got a consequence. The USA's cabal of bullshit neoliberalism/neoconservatives will get their due.

That's not a viable choice in the 2020 presidential elections in the US.
I never voted for the establishment people BJ. I am used to losing. Why? It is better to lose and keep struggling until your message is ripe fo be adopted than be some sellout who changes according to whom they have to kiss ass that year. Those people are inconsistent wishy washy pieces of shit that I would not trust to run a damn thing. Useless pendejos who never did the work to figure out what kind of human political philosophy they think is best. They never thought giving that work is important. Those make terrible politicians as well BJ.


Bill Clinton? Barack Obama?

Don't like either of them.


That's a normative statement. It's not realpolitik.

Real politik got Mujica in as president of a nation. You think he is the only one in Latin America. He is not. There are people in our nations who could not be bought off at all. Non sellouts. They got their heads blow off and so on. My mother was one of the ones who could not be bought off. They hated her guts in her home state. I smiled and laughed when I saw them have to stand up and clap and talk about how great she was when all they did was lie and backstab her for years. Lol. Humiliated they were by her principles. That is what you do to sellouts BJ. They have to clap for their enemies success. They hate that. Lol. That is real politik. In the end politics is a social thing. A social reality. You are successful organizing people and bringing a strong message behind you? Your enemies got to negotiate with you. They can't afford ignoring you. That is real politiks BJ. Not conceding all to people without principles and who are spineless people easily manipulated by the monied.

Personally, no.

I wish I knew you better. But I can only go by what you write on this forum.


Maybe Michael Flynn should run for high office.

As crazy as the recent elections have been? The dude might do it.


That's also true of John F. Kennedy, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Donald Trump. They already have enough money.

Yes BJ they do. But they want the money and the power and control and influence that comes with those jobs. It is about being in the thick of things. They are like ancient Roman senators with splendid mistresses and groaning banquets and gold bling and so on....they shape society and live high off the hog. The ideal existence. Except they fail to realize they are not the majority of the people whom they rule over. They usually wind up in internal disputes that wind up in self destruction. Too many barbarians at the gates. Like the PRC. And others. LOL.

Back in the 1990s, I was actually invited to the old presidential palace in Rio for a musical performance. We were staying in a penthouse in the Copacabana neighborhood of Rio, within walking distance of the Copacabana Palace hotel. The owner had a major domo in charge of the property who was gay and the son of the former secretary of Brazil's communist party. He gave us quite a bit of background of Brazilian politics, being a red diaper baby himself. He was the one who pointed out to me the differences in architecture in Rio, and the gaps in architectural styles that are present in liberal countries when the government in Brazil was totalitarian. I also visited the old palace up in Petropolis, where Pedro II lived.
I am interested in the quality of life of the Brazilian working class. How to make the favela dwellers powerful and full of projects to make life better for them. Did you ever see the movie Pixote? Got to make things better for all of them. My mother translated for years for Paolo Freire the Brazilian educator. A very influential man. The tutor who I hired for teaching my little boy? Was in classes that his method of teaching was taught. Pedagogy of the Oppressed is what it is called. There was and still is a lot of illiteracy in Latin America BJ. My mother was interested in eradicating it. He developed a system for adults that is very interesting. Over time you add other master educators theories and you can come up with curriculum that works for a lot of very poor people who work all their lives and need to learn things quickly. Such an interesting life. I still remember Paolo's smile and his love for my mother's home cooking. That beautiful Brazilian man. He was middle class but his family lost it all. He went through hard times and it dawned on him how important it is to create well educated poor people.


If Augusto Pinochet were a family friend of mine, you'd say the same thing.

I would assume you were into fascist generals. In the end? Pinochet tortured and killed Michelle Bachalet's father and tortured her mother and herself. She became Chile's president eventually even admired greatly by Angele Markel because Bachelet graduated from a German university. Bachelet was brilliant. She had the last laugh on that general who tried to punish the socialists and lost that battle in Chile. The socialist woman who's father he tortured and killed for daring to defend Allende LOST to the ones he tried to terrorize. Another president I admire from Latin America. Michelle Bachelet. A woman and a socialist. And a scientist too.

In 2006 when I was in Costa Rica and Nicaragua, I got a deeper reading of the kinds of things that Daniel Ortega's forces did there. We were looking at property, and I decided against investing in Nicaragua due to the cloudy title problems from the years of the Sandinista government. We went up to the caldera at Masaya, where it was said the Sandinistas used to throw their political opponents into the lava lake at the bottom of it. Daniel Ortega was a poor boy once too, and he's a fairly wealthy socialist now.

And Somoza was such a nice man? Lol. Ortega could have had an easier road by adopting pro capitalist shit thoughts. He never did. I don't like some aspects of Ortega at all. In the end though? The rich elitists will never respect the lower classes at all BJ. I don't shed tears for them. If you don't give a shit about the poor and the humble? You are worthless as a politician. Just more of the same. And not only that. You are doing harm in a democratic society. The vast majority are not rich. Be a democratic person. Back the socioeconomic group that is the biggest. Problems solved.

Indeed. I don't believe in socialism, because human nature doesn't quite work that way.


Then why are there people who are socialist running human governments? They exist. It works very realistically despite the Right wanting to kill it all the time. It keeps coming back. Why? Because it is part of human nature.

The end.
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I expect someone to correct me if I mischaracterize what I think I have read in the deposition, but, did Giuffre receive some kind of payment from Epstein and then sign a non disclosure statement?
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Sivad wrote:I remember when all the retards would call me a conspiracy theorist for talking about elite pedophile blackmail rings. :lol:


I always knew Hollywood was full of pedos and abusers. I knew about Weinstein back in '04 at the latest. It was weird Rose McGowan's and Ashley Judd's careers suddenly stopped dead in their tracks.

I knew about it back then.

But even I'll admit I didn't know about Epstein. Maybe because I wasn't paying enough attention.

It's more obvious than ever that Michael Jackson was the racist MSM's scapegoat. He was totally innocent.
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Sivad wrote:I remember when all the retards would call me a conspiracy theorist for talking about elite pedophile blackmail rings. :lol:


Anyone who is currently wearing a useless cloth mask to stop a non-existent plague, while reading about how Israeli spies bribe presidents or extort them by taking pix of them sleeping with young prostitutes, who protested the last four wars that took place anyways....

Anyone who went through all of this and still thinks "conspiracy theories" are dumb...

...needs to re-appropriate the word "dumb" and stop watching commercial media.
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Q Did you tell your parents how much money you received from your settlement with Jeffrey Epstein?
A No. That is a -- I think there's like a non-disclosure statement. I don't know exactly what the legal term is, but --


I didn’t think I was imagining this from the blur of words.

For me personally, it looks as though she milked as much as she could from the Epstein and now she’s turning her attention to Maxwell.

Also, if any of you read the transcript you would see she’s quite sensitive to draw the distinction between ‘making money’ and Epstein giving her money. She understands that being paid isn’t quite the same as slavery.

Now I’m not saying she isn’t telling the truth, but this lass does have a few credibility issues.

What I’d like to know is why her testimony has never been picked apart in the media?
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